Evolution: 24 myths and misconceptions

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If you think you understand it, you don't know nearly enough about it, even though it will soon be 200 years since the birth of Charles Darwin and 150 years since the publication of On the Origin of Species .

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Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#1700 Feb 11, 2009
eternal cynic wrote:
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The author of the book is claimed to be god. Wouldn’t an omnipresent being not be constrained by the limitations you’re imposing?
An after-thought.....

Do you know who proclaimed that those individuals who did write the bible, were inspired?

What makes them exclusive to "inspiration"?

“Love is hard to find”

Since: Apr 08

Palestine Texas

#1701 Feb 11, 2009
eternal cynic wrote:
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Unfortunately it takes more than a little common sense. The New Testament contains 181,253 words. Roughly the length of two novels. Man has been disagreeing about the meaning of those words more than 1,000 years.
If the bible is indeed the word of a deity why wasn’t it written more clearly?
It is quite clear for the receptive and trained mind.

I have some issues with some of the passages too, but I think anything humans touch will somehow get corrupted: 10 Commandments, Ark of the Covenant, Garden of Eden, The Temple, Jesus and the Prophets etc. I know most Christians will disagree with me and suggest that the Bible is infallible but I doubt that is the case.

I'm not 100% certain of this, but I guess the Biblical answer to your question would be that God doesn't want certain people to understand or accept His word at this point in time for their own protection. Yeap, I'm almost certain that there is a verse or two referencing God's deliberate attempt to keep some blind to His truth.

“Love is hard to find”

Since: Apr 08

Palestine Texas

#1702 Feb 11, 2009
Not that Jesus was corrupted. What I meant was that he was abused and lied on. His message and purpose was corrupted even as he lived.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#1703 Feb 11, 2009
>>>>>BrothaLove
Not that Jesus was corrupted. What I meant was that he was abused and lied on. His message and purpose was corrupted even as he lived

>>>>>Gillette
I wonder if you see the possibility that the various NT accounts of Him are, in fact, examples of that kind of corruption of His message and purpose?
truthist

Lithia, FL

#1704 Feb 11, 2009
Happy Birthday, Charles

Happy Birthday, to you

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#1705 Feb 11, 2009
You are a liar.
BrothaLove wrote:
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The Strong's most certainly does support my assertion which is, "the bible does support a round earth". Type in the word circle in the Strong's online concordance. You'll quickly see that it also implies the spherical too.
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c0...
See this page in: German (Deutsch)
Some Bible critics have claimed that Revelation 7:1 assumes a flat earth since the verse refers to angels standing at the “four corners” of the earth. Actually, the reference is to the cardinal directions: north, south, east, and west.
I have REPEATEDLY demonstrated that the Bible claims the Earth is flat. Aside from your feeble attempts to discredit the author, you have presented NOTHING that contradicts the proof of that claim. At best, citing Strong's Concordance is MEANINGLESS. Strong wrote at a time when people knew that the world was in fact spherical, therefore he MISTRANSLATED chugh so that a word that means ONLY circle would somehow include sphere.

As far as the four corners, that can ONLY exist on a flat Earth. If you read Rev 7:1 in context, the author is claiming that the winds originate at the edge of the Earth and by going to that edge, an angel can stop up the winds from blowing. Yes, one can speak of the North Pole or the South Pole as a "corner", as it were. But it is utter nonsense to try and speak of an East or West Pole: there IS NO place on Earth that is as far east as one can travel, there is no place that is as far west as one can travel.

Stop lying and accept reality: the Bible erroneously claims that the world is flat.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#1706 Feb 11, 2009
BrothaLove wrote:
Not that Jesus was corrupted. What I meant was that he was abused and lied on. His message and purpose was corrupted even as he lived.
Now here I actually agree with you. Jesus only prached a message of Judaism and a return to properly following the laws of Moses. He did make the common mistake of his time, in that he seemed to believe that the Messiah was coming very soon to kick the Roman occupation out of the promised land. Sadly, as time went on, that message was so corrupted that people began to worship Jesus as though he were a god. Man, I'll bet that had him spinning in his grave...

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#1707 Feb 12, 2009
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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You must have hindsight and insight on a "being that is omnipresent". Please present the evidence.
(Proverbs 15:3) The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.

I don’t make the claim, the faithful and their bible make that claim.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#1708 Feb 12, 2009
BrothaLove wrote:
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It is quite clear for the receptive and trained mind.
I have some issues with some of the passages too, but I think anything humans touch will somehow get corrupted: 10 Commandments, Ark of the Covenant, Garden of Eden, The Temple, Jesus and the Prophets etc. I know most Christians will disagree with me and suggest that the Bible is infallible but I doubt that is the case.
I'm not 100% certain of this, but I guess the Biblical answer to your question would be that God doesn't want certain people to understand or accept His word at this point in time for their own protection. Yeap, I'm almost certain that there is a verse or two referencing God's deliberate attempt to keep some blind to His truth.
Of the 38,000 Christian denominations in the world which ones are receptive and have trained minds?

Source: http://christianity.about.com/od/denomination...

Why would a god want to keep some people blind to truth? What would the motivation be?
Gillette

Ottumwa, IA

#1709 Feb 12, 2009
>>>>>eternal cynic
Why would a god want to keep some people blind to truth? What would the motivation be?

>>>>Gillette
Especially since Jesus would HAVE to know that 99% of those he willfully keeps "blind to the truth" will have to be burned and tortured for all eternity by himself in the torture chamber of his own fashioning.

“Love is hard to find”

Since: Apr 08

Palestine Texas

#1712 Feb 12, 2009
Liam R wrote:
You are a liar.
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I have REPEATEDLY demonstrated that the Bible claims the Earth is flat. Aside from your feeble attempts to discredit the author, you have presented NOTHING that contradicts the proof of that claim. At best, citing Strong's Concordance is MEANINGLESS. Strong wrote at a time when people knew that the world was in fact spherical, therefore he MISTRANSLATED chugh so that a word that means ONLY circle would somehow include sphere.
As far as the four corners, that can ONLY exist on a flat Earth. If you read Rev 7:1 in context, the author is claiming that the winds originate at the edge of the Earth and by going to that edge, an angel can stop up the winds from blowing. Yes, one can speak of the North Pole or the South Pole as a "corner", as it were. But it is utter nonsense to try and speak of an East or West Pole: there IS NO place on Earth that is as far east as one can travel, there is no place that is as far west as one can travel.
Stop lying and accept reality: the Bible erroneously claims that the world is flat.
You're a very funny man Liam R. You have repeatedly demonstrated that you don't understand the Bible. I find you very entertaining. Keep posting please.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#1713 Feb 13, 2009
Gillette wrote:
>>>>>eternal cynic
Why would a god want to keep some people blind to truth? What would the motivation be?
>>>>Gillette
Especially since Jesus would HAVE to know that 99% of those he willfully keeps "blind to the truth" will have to be burned and tortured for all eternity by himself in the torture chamber of his own fashioning.
Does the bible not say

Mark 16:16 (RSV)"He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned."

Either it doesn’t matter since if you don’t believe you will be condemned or it’s a convenient way for your Jesus to turn a blind eye.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#1714 Feb 13, 2009
BrothaLove wrote:
<quoted text>Of the 38,000 Christian denominations in the world which ones are receptive and have trained minds? "NONE of those denominations. Read Rev 2:9, and 3:9 for the your answer.
Source: http://christianity.about.com/od/denomination...
Why would a god want to keep some people blind to truth? "Because He did (past tense) not want to destroy them. What would the motivation be? "LOVE". God will not sentence those souls to perdition who did not understand His truth.
Revelation 2:9 (New King James Version)
9 “I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 (New King James Version)
9 Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you

That still doesn’t answer the question presented. You claim none of the denominations have trained minds. Yet you speak as if you do. Do you not see the hypocrisy?

“Love is hard to find”

Since: Apr 08

Palestine Texas

#1715 Feb 13, 2009
eternal cynic wrote:
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Revelation 2:9 (New King James Version)
9 “I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
Revelation 3:9 (New King James Version)
9 Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you
That still doesn’t answer the question presented. You claim none of the denominations have trained minds. Yet you speak as if you do. Do you not see the hypocrisy?
EC go back and carefully read what I said. I never said that none of the Christian churches have trained minds. I said none of "those" so called 38,0000 denominations that you mentioned are skilled in our Father's word as they should be. I gave you two biblical examples of churches who are skilled and which skill set they possess.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#1716 Feb 13, 2009
BrothaLove wrote:
<quoted text> I don't see NT contradictions of Jesus. Point one of them out to me.
1) The genealogies of Jesus given in Matt 1 vs Luke 3 contradict each other as to who is the father of Joseph.
2) In Matt 5:16 Jesus tells people to be seen doing good works, yet in Matt 6:1 he says to hide your good works.
3) Matt 5:20, Matt 12:37, Matt 16:27, Matt 19:17, and Matt 25 41-46 all say something to the effect that works/actions/following the laws of Moses are REQUIRED for salvation yet in Mark 16:16 Jesus is alleged to have said that faith only leads to salvation.
4)In Matt 10:10 and Luke 9:3 Jesus is said to have told his disciples to journey with nothing, not even sandles or a staff Yet Mark 6:8-9 the instructions are to have a staff and shoes.
5) During his trial before the high priest, Matt 26:63-64 and Luke 22:70 both claim that Jesus evaded the question if he was the Christ, yet in Mark 14:62 he says flat out that he was.
6) Matt 27:12-14 claims that Jesus was silent before Pilate, while John 18:33-38 says that Jesus held a conversation with Pilate.

This list is just the stuff from Matthew where Jesus contradicts HIMSELF.(Well, except for the genealogy contradiction, since that was not Jesus talking.) There are still others where Jesus contradicts the Old Testament and where the other Gospels contradict one another (but not Matthew). In other words, there a LOTS of contradictions in the New Testament.

But then, that is to be expected when so many different writers were inventing the Jesus myths without good communication back and forth between them.
Gillette

Ottumwa, IA

#1717 Feb 14, 2009
John reports Jesus had a one year ministry and performed the Cleansing of the Temple (i.e. attacking the pigeon merchants) at the BEGINNING of his ministry.

Mark and Matthew put the Cleansing at the END of Jesus' 3-year ministry -- but they put the event on different days.

Which is correct?

“Love is hard to find”

Since: Apr 08

Palestine Texas

#1718 Feb 14, 2009
Liam R wrote:
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1) The genealogies of Jesus given in Matt 1 vs Luke 3 contradict each other as to who is the father of Joseph.
2) In Matt 5:16 Jesus tells people to be seen doing good works, yet in Matt 6:1 he says to hide your good works.
3) Matt 5:20, Matt 12:37, Matt 16:27, Matt 19:17, and Matt 25 41-46 all say something to the effect that works/actions/following the laws of Moses are REQUIRED for salvation yet in Mark 16:16 Jesus is alleged to have said that faith only leads to salvation.
4)In Matt 10:10 and Luke 9:3 Jesus is said to have told his disciples to journey with nothing, not even sandles or a staff Yet Mark 6:8-9 the instructions are to have a staff and shoes.
5) During his trial before the high priest, Matt 26:63-64 and Luke 22:70 both claim that Jesus evaded the question if he was the Christ, yet in Mark 14:62 he says flat out that he was.
6) Matt 27:12-14 claims that Jesus was silent before Pilate, while John 18:33-38 says that Jesus held a conversation with Pilate.
This list is just the stuff from Matthew where Jesus contradicts HIMSELF.(Well, except for the genealogy contradiction, since that was not Jesus talking.) There are still others where Jesus contradicts the Old Testament and where the other Gospels contradict one another (but not Matthew). In other words, there a LOTS of contradictions in the New Testament.
But then, that is to be expected when so many different writers were inventing the Jesus myths without good communication back and forth between them.
I'll clear all of this up for you shortly. Today is too nice of a day to argue.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#1719 Feb 14, 2009
BrothaLove wrote:
<quoted text> I'll clear all of this up for you shortly. Today is too nice of a day to argue.
In other words, you need more time to think up some lies. Do try to be original. I'll give points for originality.

For example, I pointed out the contradiction betwen Matt & Luke regarding the family trees. Matt says that the father of Joseph was Jacob, while Luke claims that the father of Joseph was Heli. The usual lie used to whitewash over this error is to pretend that one genealogy is that of Mary. This lie falls apart of a couple of levels.
1) Both clearly say they are talking about Joseph, not Mary.
2) Family lines were NEVER traced through women.
3) Messianic prophecies make it clear that the bloodline of the Messiah must pass from David, through Solomon, and on and on, FATHER to son, to the Messiah. Thus, Luke's genealogy PROVES that Jesus could not possibly be the Messiah!

So, take your time and craft some lies. If you are creative enough, I'll tell you why the genealogy in Matthew ALSO proves that Jesus cannot possibly be the Messiah.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#1720 Feb 15, 2009
BrothaLove wrote:
<quoted text> EC go back and carefully read what I said. I never said that none of the Christian churches have trained minds. I said none of "those" so called 38,0000 denominations that you mentioned are skilled in our Father's word as they should be. I gave you two biblical examples of churches who are skilled and which skill set they possess.
Interesting, the 38,000 would be inclusive of all denominations. Your claim and you repeat it here state NONE of the 38,000 possess the skill.

Which denominations in your opinion do possess the skill? Why do you set those denominations above the others and would the others agree?
Gillette

Ottumwa, IA

#1721 Feb 15, 2009
>>>>eternal cynic
Which denominations in your opinion do possess the skill? Why do you set those denominations above the others and would the others agree?

>>>>Gillette
One's OWN denomination, naturally and not surprisingly, is ALWAYS among those who "really get it." :)

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