Evolution: 24 myths and misconceptions

Apr 19, 2008 Full story: www.newscientist.com 1,628

If you think you understand it, you don't know nearly enough about it, even though it will soon be 200 years since the birth of Charles Darwin and 150 years since the publication of On the Origin of Species .

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Phoenix

United States

#24 Apr 20, 2008
saiai the gardener wrote:
both evolution and any god can take care of itself...the question is can we take care of ourselves? the creation is the creator... that's why everybody is born equal!
Born equal????? try telling that to the twenty five to thirty thousand children who died yesterday from the effects of poverty, or the ones who will die today and tomorrow. About ten million children a year die from the very unequal effects of poverty every year, hardly god at his best.
Phoenix

United States

#25 Apr 20, 2008
Wanda wrote:
Awesome article, Cash. Thank you for posting.
I still remember the first time evolution and natural selection were explained to me. It was in third or fourth grade. Even to a Catholic elementary school child, it was like a light being turned on. "Of course!", I thought. "How obvious! That's exactly how it happens!"
Evolution is, and always has been, happening. It is a, maybe THE, natural process. Saying you don't believe in evolution is like saying you don't believe in fermentation, or aging. You don't need "faith" to believe in evolution: you can see it right in front of you, in the fossil record and in current life.
Keep 'em coming, Cash, tho I suspect the only folks who actually read and digest these articles are the ones who already are NOT ignorant on the subjects. Sadly, many who visit this site appear interested not in science but in advancing a facile "faith" agenda. I wish they'd stick to the religion boards.
I have to agree, this was one of the most informative articles on the subject that I have seen in a while, and did you notice the quality of the comments that were posted there, they were actually having intelligent arguments about the topic and aspects of the topic and they weren't insulting each other and best of all, the religious element seemed to be missing, very refreshing.
DMH

Reno, NV

#26 Apr 20, 2008
Phoenix wrote:
<quoted text> I agree with Goebbels, and religion is the best example of his statement, every religious leader that ever opened their mouth to spread the word could rightly be called a propaganda minister.
Excellent reply

“Ma0 BaMa THE GREAT DECEIVER”

Since: Mar 08

somewhere i BELONG

#28 Apr 20, 2008
a book written by men to control man. adam and eve just poof! appeared. bullshit. no such thing as god. sorry if you are brainwashed by religion. instill fear and they will follow.

science has proven truth of humans on the planet. some guy with grey hair and beard didnt make people. he is in the same company as santa claus though.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#29 Apr 20, 2008
Bubba wrote:
The radical religionists don't understand that which they claim to believe. Faith is the first step, but (for Christians) the NT gives instructions on how that faith is to be tested yielding evidence. Thus, faith grows and becomes more, even until it is knowledge. In this manor, it IS testable & reproducible just like the scientific method. Faith is fundamental, but not solitary.
If faith is believing in something you cannot see, or without physical proof, then disbelieving in that which you can see is not a demonstration of faith. If one believes that God is the source of all that is good and true, then that which is seen (including science) must come from God, and who is to reject that? However, interpretation is critical, and science has had its fair share of misreading/misinterpreting evidence. Therefore, we must do as Paul counsels: "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." This is wise advice for both science and religion.
Science does not look to faith to explain. Science is always in pursuit of proof. Faith has no place in science. Faith does not=proof.
DMH

Reno, NV

#30 Apr 20, 2008
marcuss wrote:
a book written by men to control man. adam and eve just poof! appeared. bullshit. no such thing as god. sorry if you are brainwashed by religion. instill fear and they will follow.
science has proven truth of humans on the planet. some guy with grey hair and beard didnt make people. he is in the same company as santa claus though.
Hey, I may be an atheist, but I believe in Santa!(gotta stay on the Good list)

“It's beige on my current car.”

Since: Apr 08

USA

#32 Apr 20, 2008
VespaLou wrote:
Evolution has always been a LIE shored up by a hoax, such as the peppered moths glued to a tree.
Josef Goebbels said that if you tell a lie often enough it becomes accepted as truth. Remember Joe. He was Uncle Adolph's Propaganda Minister in the 3rd Wreck. He also said that if the Lie is big enough, you don't even need to repeat it for the masses to believe it. Go Darwin!
BRAVO - Well Said. This is exactly how Al Gore got his Global Warming Story to the Nobel Prize Committee. The trouble with issues like G.W., A.G., and Darwinism are basic...most humans have no concept of the time lapse that takes place in these "cosmic" events. Their little tiny brains just can't fathom the process and their parochial learnings keep them from discovering or accepting new truths. At the same time, the "Nazis" on both sides of the argument don't want to accept that either approach is not mutually exclusive of the other. Grow Up folks...and remember that what you think you know limits what you can learn.
jww

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#33 Apr 20, 2008
GabbyJim wrote:
Strange how opposite sides use the same evasive tactic - "If you think you understand it, you don't know nearly enough about it" (evolution) "That's the beauty of it - you are not SUPPOSED to understand it" (religion)
The great equalizer - death - will answer all your qustions - or not.
(I'm listening to "Baby Elephant Walk" as I post this next)
John Godfrey Saxe, 1816-1887 - THE BLIND MEN AND THE ELEPHANT (excerpted)
"---- And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!
So, oft in theologic wars
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean;
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!"
Well, I've been to see the elephant - eyes wide open and the lights on. To those on both sides of this dispute I declare that the truth is known by a relatively few people (in the tens of thousands, I think). Only those willing to set aside their intellectual arrogance, discard their prejudice, and seiously and earnestly search for the truth will gain understanding. Then they will, by observation, satisfy their minds.
For me, at age 66 and after a life time searching for understanding, there is no conflict - Evolutionists and Creationists are both, "partly in the right" and partly in the wrong. Althugh I admit I do not yet have a full understanding, I have learned enough that, in the words of Alfred, Lord Tennyson,(1809-1892), "For though from out our bourne of Time and Place rhe flood may bear me far, I hope to see my Pilot face to face, when I have crost the bar.
Sorry, Gabby, but the truth is not always "somewhere in the middle," as comforting as that might be to a lot of people (as well as a convenient way to avoid thinking too hard about something).

Evolution has the same truth-value as 2+2=4; if you don't accept it, you are willfully ignorant and cannot be taken seriously.

Good poetry, though!
blogman

Redding, CA

#34 Apr 20, 2008
Ah, here is the rub! All facts point to a common origen; therefore, evolution must be the answer because it offers the only scientifically acceptable answer; that is, it is the only answer our scientific mind set will allow.
This conclusion is not unlike Nazi's Germany's conclusion that the unrest and financial woes in pre WW2 Germany must have had a cause and of course, their mind set allowed only one cause.
The fact is, as Descarte so beautifully discovered, I think therefore I am. If you think evolution is the only answer for a common origen, you have adopted a narrow mind set that jades your perception of reality.
YOu have exterminated any hope and glory in this existence and put thousands of years of spiritual and religious insight to death.
If however, God is the origen of species, you can keep the possibility that evolution is part of His arsenal of powerful tools, and life isn't simply a mechanical dash for all the cash you can get, and a chance to pass on your genetic material; but it is the beginning of an eternal adventure of discovery about who your are and who God is, and what happened to mankind to make us so hostile and selfish toward one another.
All life has a common origen: therefore Evolution! May it never be! All life has a common origen: Therefore God is! This is exactly what Genesis 1:1 tells us. In the beginning God.... Why is this so hard for intelligent people to accept? Can't you see the beauty and color a Creationist view can add to life?
I feel sorry for the human race, marooning themselves on a solitary blue planet in a huge universe, alone and trying to suck every drop of beauty and glory out of this world.

“It's beige on my current car.”

Since: Apr 08

USA

#35 Apr 20, 2008
Wanda wrote:
Awesome article, Cash. Thank you for posting.
I still remember the first time evolution and natural selection were explained to me. It was in third or fourth grade. Even to a Catholic elementary school child, it was like a light being turned on. "Of course!", I thought. "How obvious! That's exactly how it happens!"
Evolution is, and always has been, happening. It is a, maybe THE, natural process. Saying you don't believe in evolution is like saying you don't believe in fermentation, or aging. You don't need "faith" to believe in evolution: you can see it right in front of you, in the fossil record and in current life.
Keep 'em coming, Cash, tho I suspect the only folks who actually read and digest these articles are the ones who already are NOT ignorant on the subjects. Sadly, many who visit this site appear interested not in science but in advancing a facile "faith" agenda. I wish they'd stick to the religion boards.
You hit this subject pretty well with one step short of a conclusion. Religion, and in some cases science, are used to fill in the informational gaps in man's existence. The type of religion, or science that anyone embraces depends wholly on what answers gives that person comfort. Face it, we all carry our individual "security Blankets" with us for ever; whether they be in the form of a "boo boo", binky, or solid acceptance of whatever "reasoning" makes you feel safe. The trouble is 1). not being happily secure with your own answers (self doubts are nasty); and 2). to resolve the first issue too many people try to get everyone else behind them as a validation of their own assumptions. Remember, everyone you look at is just hiding an older, uglier three year old inside.
Pogo

Tampa, FL

#36 Apr 20, 2008
Great Ceasar's ghost! Give it a rest people. We're all going to find out the truth some day. This debate will never be settled in this life. Find something else to argue about which can be eventually proved or disproved.
Matt

Waterford Works, NJ

#37 Apr 20, 2008
henry wallace wrote:
Religious fanatics are not born that way...they are brainwashed.
Darwin is a Quack!! Plain and Simple. I Refuse to believe My Great Ancesters were Freakin Apes and Monkeys. Sorry but were better then that. Animals Don't have souls. We do!

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#38 Apr 20, 2008
VespaLou wrote:
Evolution has always been a LIE shored up by a hoax, such as the peppered moths glued to a tree.
Josef Goebbels said that if you tell a lie often enough it becomes accepted as truth. Remember Joe. He was Uncle Adolph's Propaganda Minister in the 3rd Wreck. He also said that if the Lie is big enough, you don't even need to repeat it for the masses to believe it. Go Darwin!
You said it tell the lie often enough and people believe it. Is this why you're a creationist?
Pogo

Tampa, FL

#39 Apr 20, 2008
Wrong ghost. I meant Caesar.
Theodore Taylor

Englewood, CO

#40 Apr 20, 2008
I would offer, again, that those who promote creationism/I.D. suffer from a type of fear peculiar to the small-minded: They fear that, without the over-arching protection of an agency (God) upon which to hang responsibility for their own creation and upon whose glory to hitch their destiny-wagon, they will have to fall back on their own inadequate devices to determine right from wrong. Surely, being mere humans (although claiming the apex of so-called creation), we cannot possibly have any way to determine right from wrong without the omniscient guidance of a God -“Great Sky-Father”- who himself exhibits the manners and ethics of a spoiled child.

I would also suggest that any thinking person who takes a close look at how any organism works would conclude that ascribing all that to any divine agency is both sloppy theology and an insult to any supposed creator.
jim

Bryan, OH

#41 Apr 20, 2008
evolution to it self,cant even be felt, it took millions of years to change,, and we can only live about 100, if were lucky hehehhaahhehhe, dont waste my time, on this shit
joey alkes

Pomona, CA

#42 Apr 20, 2008
How can anything, including Darwinism as a theory exist if it weren't a part of "God's" world. If we see "God" as omniscient and omnipotent then all things in "God's" creation must be valid. Like Stephen Hawkey said when asked about his faith,"I am only trying to understand the mind of 'God.' From my perspective, if in fact "God" exists, and I believe there must be some power greater than ourselves, then "God" is an underachiever!! Look at this world we live in!!!

Interesting perspective on that can be seen on YOUTUBE Type in DJ Monkey "God Is An Underachiever" in the search.

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Henry

New Rochelle, NY

#43 Apr 20, 2008
Researcher wrote:
I don't think that is true. Many scientists also have faith. Many scientists understand that theories are only a model of reality, and that there are things not understood and perhaps not understandable. Science is to some extent an attempt to understand how things work, not necessarily why. By understanding how, we gain the ability to manipulate or surroundings. Seeking help from a deity is anothe way of doing that, but doesn't seem to have as immediate of results for most of us.
Theories are a model of POSSIBLE reality, that is why they are theories. A working model of reality is... TRUE science!
Henry

New Rochelle, NY

#44 Apr 20, 2008
Theodore Taylor wrote:
I would offer, again, that those who promote creationism/I.D. suffer from a type of fear peculiar to the small-minded: They fear that, without the over-arching protection of an agency (God) upon which to hang responsibility for their own creation and upon whose glory to hitch their destiny-wagon, they will have to fall back on their own inadequate devices to determine right from wrong. Surely, being mere humans (although claiming the apex of so-called creation), we cannot possibly have any way to determine right from wrong without the omniscient guidance of a God -“Great Sky-Father”- who himself exhibits the manners and ethics of a spoiled child.
I would also suggest that any thinking person who takes a close look at how any organism works would conclude that ascribing all that to any divine agency is both sloppy theology and an insult to any supposed creator.
Well, one thing is for sure. We are ALL going to die. I have no fear of that, what about you? If God is not real then there is nothing to worry about is there. On the other hand...
Joe

United States

#45 Apr 20, 2008
saiai the gardener wrote:
both evolution and any god can take care of itself...the question is can we take care of ourselves? the creation is the creator... that's why everybody is born equal!
The Creator made the creation, it is not him, it comes from Him, He spoke it into existence. If one calls him or herslf a Christian, there is no room for both evolution and creation. It has to be one or the other, not both. Either GOD created all that we see, hear, smell, touch and feel or he didn't. Does a computer come together by itself or is it designed and every piece placed where it will work and do what it is supposed to do? Do you really think all this came about by accident. You have to have MORE faith to believe in evolution than Creation.
GOD loves us and wants the best for all who will put their trust in His Son Jesus The Christ. People who belive in Darwinism simply don't want to be held GOD's standard. They want to do what ever they want and believe they will escape the consequences of their actions. Trust me you won't.
Most of the great scientist's of the world were Christian's, Rene Descartes, Blaise Pascal, Louis Pasteur, Francis Bacon, Johann Kepler, Jocelyn Bell, and the names of countless more who have contributed to the betterment of mankind.

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