Mathematical model says climate change will make storms worse

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Brian_G wrote:

The only problem with the end of the AGW climate mitigation hoax, the congress educational system and news media are the last to learn the story. They have the most credibility to lose from this fiasco.
Some still believe in Piltdown Man:
http://www.cl arku.
edu/~PILTDOWN/map_expose/new_e viden_antiq_pilt.html

"The only problem with the end of the AGW climate mitigation hoax, the congress educational system and news media are the last to learn the story. They have the most credibility to lose from this fiasco."......
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Well, so much for professional peer review.....It's all a large conspiracy to protect credibility ? LOL
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Piltdown man ?..a interesting correlation ?.....you did not go into enough detail that i could see how that would be relevant...

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tina anne wrote:

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The problem with using ice air pockets is that you cannot find air pockets from the previous interglacieral period. So you have to look at other ways of measuring the contents of the air like bubbles of air trapped in amber or by examining the plant life from the period via fossilied records.
Also what was your source for for the pollution percentages from cars and coal plants?

It will be interesting to see the response and the reply from someone that obviously has a firm grasp of interglacieralistics...
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Also what was your source for for the pollution percentages from cars and coal plants?
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Perhaps the source for the pollution precentages are cars and coal plants?

[get real]

i blame george bush

[Pokay1kaduB]

Sheila wrote:

<quoted text> Why would anybody want to hack me, I really don't get it?

It's a strange world after all. You'd think with the times getting tougher we would stand together a little more,....but ...no.
Well until it happens I wouldn't worry about it, I figure if I ever get hacked I'll just have more time freed up.

Wish I had someone to give me a penguin rub! ;)

That sure does sound heavenly. I would love to give one right about now. I'll dream of it and I'll wake feeling good.

[Sheila]

Pokay1kaduB wrote:

<quoted text>It's a strange world after all. You'd think with the times getting tougher we would stand together a little more,....but ...no.
Well until it happens I wouldn't worry about it, I figure if I ever get hacked I'll just have more time freed up.
<quoted text>That sure does sound heavenly. I would love to give one right about now. I'll dream of it and I'll wake feeling good.

You sound so sweet. Umhum, heavenly dreams to you.

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Pokay1kaduB wrote:

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So what types of things are you welding up? Sounds like you are like me having so many aspirations but not enough time. I still hope to have time this winter to build my copper tube mileage manifold for my truck.

Whoa, where to begin.
Well, a 14'gate,2 benches for a lathe and radial arm saw, an 8' tall tool enclosure,2 grinder/polisher stands and on and on..:-)

Years ago i built several manifold systems for car (racing)engines both intake and exhaust also a couple for motorcycle racing....
I still have the math around somewhere.. It gets really involved for car engines and almost as bad for motorcycles.
Motorcycle manifolds are a bit easier because the torque/hp range is within a narrower portion of the range of rpm.... controlling the manifold temperature very closely is another way to control fuel density and adjust for elevation differences.
Tube length/diameter etc...They were always fun projects.. Good luck...let me know how it turns out ... 6 or 8 cyl ?

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...An after thought:
If i designed another intake i would go with a variable venturi carburetor.
I suppose Weber's are out of the price range of most but as i recall ford came out with at least one model. That should give excellent velocity control...

[tina anne]

S-oE wrote:

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It will be interesting to see the response and the reply from someone that obviously has a firm grasp of interglacieralistics...
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Also what was your source for for the pollution percentages from cars and coal plants?
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Perhaps the source for the pollution precentages are cars and coal plants?

You know very well I was looking for the source of his percentage data. I have made it clear that I always examine the source data as well.

[Pokay1kaduB]

S-oE wrote:

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Whoa, where to begin.
Well, a 14'gate,2 benches for a lathe and radial arm saw, an 8' tall tool enclosure,2 grinder/polisher stands and on and on..:-)
Years ago i built several manifold systems for car (racing)engines both intake and exhaust also a couple for motorcycle racing....
I still have the math around somewhere.. It gets really involved for car engines and almost as bad for motorcycles.
Motorcycle manifolds are a bit easier because the torque/hp range is within a narrower portion of the range of rpm.... controlling the manifold temperature very closely is another way to control fuel density and adjust for elevation differences.
Tube length/diameter etc...They were always fun projects.. Good luck...let me know how it turns out ... 6 or 8 cyl ?

Oh man that's incredible, we are the same. I can't remember you telling me that you built your own manifolds as well. I would love to compare notes/opinions because I have trashed so many motors porting the wrong way until I believe I finally figured something out, at least I'm happy with the results, I don't have a flow bench but I always say to drive it is to test it but I'd still love to hear your opinion of my ideas.

I have a lifeling project car, a 1969 mustang fastback. I finally settled on/with a 392 cu in (351 stroker) motor with aftermarket heads, small block, 2.02" valves. Tell me if you agree or disagree with what I did to the intake/heads. Unshrouding the valves as much as possible is a must. I base everything on cross sectional area and first I figure the area of the valve and work towards the carburetor from there, the valve area determines the max X-sectional area that you should limit porting to, I would think. Then I take a bit more than 90% of it (like 91 or 92%) and I make that the diameter of the entrance to the bowl (transition from valve seat to bowl). I think the free area was 2.6" at most. SO anything more than 2.6" and you're losing power (especially low end) anything less might rob some top end HP. And indeed the race type small block manifolds (Edelbrock Victor) have very close to 2.6" area runners so I figured I'm on to something.

It's not until you get to Nascar type heads (like Yates heads) that you need custom manifolds larger than 2.6" but there again you would match the runner area to the free area under the valve (all the way back to the intake plenum beneath the carb) to optimize power wouldn't you?

And same with the exhaust port, I made custom stainless headers (I don't have a tubing bender so I just cut wedges out of the pipe and rewelded them to make a turn, took like 5 wedges or more to make a nice easy 90% turn) that had an ID the same as the free area under the exhaust valve and same as the rest of the exhaust port. I know I could have gained a tiny bit of HP by going a bit larger on the exhaust tube size but I wanted a streetable car. I have a 234 @ 0.050" cam so it doesn't like to idle for long periods on a 90 degree day but it does alright. It's every bit of 500 HP at 6000rpm. I never dynoed it but it feels like it could be more like 550. And actually I was too chicken to port my intake runners in the heads more than 2.4" so I made an intake manifold with 2.4" runners/ports to match, anything more would be counterproductive right?

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tina anne wrote:

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You know very well I was looking for the source of his percentage data. I have made it clear that I always examine the source data as well.

...probably be wise to give the applicable physics,chemistry and thermodynamics etc. a scan before reviewing the"source" data...?
That would seem to alleviate much of the useless clutter...?
It would also seem the source would make little difference as long as the content was scientifically solid...?
Thus negating any controversial aspects( thinking for ones self?)

[Pokay1kaduB]

S-oE,
Variable venturi sounds interesting but I never tried it. Heard they are a pain though and suffer worse gas mileage.

Don't feel obligated to respond to my last post but feel free to as well. I would however moreso value a comment on my mileage intake manifold idea since I haven't tried it yet and could use advice/opinion :

This is for my '68 F100 pick up with a 302 V-8 and a 2 barrel 2100 motorcraft carb.
I figure that I will about never use full port (since I am trying to save gas and I don't care about HP and being first off the stop light) so I should be able to get away with smaller port area right? Anyway I'm thinking raising the carb as high has possible, then using two copper tubes (one for each venturi/barrel) same diameter as carb throttle plate, then coiling them a bit and flattening them a bit and passing them through a box that is fed by exhaust gases from one exhaust manifold and empties into other side exhaust manifold. The heat from the exhaust should really atomize the fuel and expand the mixture to hopefully give better economy, much better economy I'm hoping. Of course each tube would have to transition into four tubes (one for each cylinder) and I wonder how small I can go on the tube size that enters the intake port of the cylinder head, like I wonder if I can go half as big as the intake port or should I do 75% or more? Decisions decisions.

[Sheila]

Hi Pokay! I see you can't sleep either!

[tina anne]

S-oE wrote:

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...probably be wise to give the applicable physics,chemistry and thermodynamics etc. a scan before reviewing the"source" data...?
That would seem to alleviate much of the useless clutter...?
It would also seem the source would make little difference as long as the content was scientifically solid...?
Thus negating any controversial aspects( thinking for ones self?)

It still would be useful to know where he found his data. Then again I imagine you would prefer he didn't in case he was making it up. So the whole look up the applicable physics,chemistry and thermodynamics etc. The problem with that is until you know how the data was arrived you would not know what to scan and how much.

[Pokay1kaduB]

Sheila wrote:

Hi Pokay! I see you can't sleep either!

Very observant! Yea I was up last night real late. Looks like you posted at around 5:00 central time (that is your time zone right?) since I posted at around 4 eastern time. Seems you stay up often. Is it by choice? Sounds like not.

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I posted at length last night.
It seems to have disappeared...maybe I'm gone ?
If this goes thru I'll try again this evening....

[Sheila]

Pokay1kaduB wrote:

<quoted text>Very observant! Yea I was up last night real late. Looks like you posted at around 5:00 central time (that is your time zone right?) since I posted at around 4 eastern time. Seems you stay up often. Is it by choice? Sounds like not.

Sometimes it is, sometimes not. Don't have much reason to stay in bed if I can't sleep. There's always something to do somewhere else. I lay in bed too long I think about naughty things! I'm not virtuous like you. ;)

[Sheila]

Pokay1kaduB wrote:

<quoted text>Very observant! Yea I was up last night real late. Looks like you posted at around 5:00 central time (that is your time zone right?) since I posted at around 4 eastern time. Seems you stay up often. Is it by choice? Sounds like not.

I'm glad I kept an eye out for you all this time. If I hadn't, you wouldn't be giving Chimmers the thrashing he needs so bad. I've only gone up against him once, and I'm still not sure if I won the argument or he just got so disgusted, anyway he disappeared for awhile. He's like a snapping turtle that doesn't want to let go, huh? I like reading what you have to say about human consciousness, it sounds so right, it feels right.I hope you are proved right during your lifetime! That would be wonderful.

[Pokay1kaduB]

S-oE wrote:

I posted at length last night.
It seems to have disappeared...maybe I'm gone ?
If this goes thru I'll try again this evening....

Now we're all wondering which one of us is next. I on one hand want to get hacked so I can know what was up, but on the other hand maybe not. Alot of times if a post doesn't show up I just follow it with a one word test post or something, or I'll resend the same post and then the program will remove one of the identical posts after awhile.

You know I want to extend part of my copper tube manifold idea to my propane furnace. I swear the gov't mandates that this stuff not be efficient at all! I mean it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that those tubes go once straight through the duct and then out. I have a "90% efficient" propane furnace but that term "90%" must only refer to the combustion efficiency of the fuel and not the efficiency of the heat exchange. I mean why aren't they coiled around inside there to increase residence time? I am going to modify mine, maybe block half the burners and instal new longer and coiled and even partially flattened tubes maybe and form layers of offset tubing to maximize heat exchange. I mean seriously, I bet if I designed a better furnace they would never allow me to market it.

Am I missing something? What do you think?

[Pokay1kaduB]

Sheila wrote:

<quoted text> Sometimes it is, sometimes not. Don't have much reason to stay in bed if I can't sleep. There's always something to do somewhere else. I lay in bed too long I think about naughty things! I'm not virtuous like you. ;)

I'm celibate not totally virtuous. It's easier to be celibate (in alot of ways but not all) but someday I'll break down and try dating again. You think I don't think of naughty things? I'm human yessy yess yes.

I thought I was wrapping up my work season but two more jobs came in. I could use the money but I can't wait for my big winter break. I guess the weather is still too nice to quit anyway. In the winter I'll probably be staying up nights like you do, I'll probably find myself reverting to a 3 oclock bedtime.

[Pokay1kaduB]

Sheila wrote:

<quoted text> I'm glad I kept an eye out for you all this time. If I hadn't, you wouldn't be giving Chimmers the thrashing he needs so bad. I've only gone up against him once, and I'm still not sure if I won the argument or he just got so disgusted, anyway he disappeared for awhile. He's like a snapping turtle that doesn't want to let go, huh? I like reading what you have to say about human consciousness, it sounds so right, it feels right.I hope you are proved right during your lifetime! That would be wonderful.

Ahh yes you are the one that got me back into that thread. I'm still not all in yet but hopefully I'll have more time to post this winter. And sometimes there is a big lull, I mean that thread has been beat so many times over but our 'family'(the regulars) carries on. Yea he is a bit too confident isn't he? Funny how scientists are that way even when they should know better than anyone else that the possibilities have not been narrowed at all when it comes to the source of consciousness and life. There's no winning an argument unless you are presenting established facts and you finally prove your point. You just say your piece and hope it benefits someone, especially your "oppponent".

I can never believe that death will be the end of "me". But I'll find out for sure.