Suicidal behaviour is a disease, psychiatrists argue

May 22, 2013 Full story: New Scientist 23

Mounting evidence shows striking similarities in the brains of people who are suicidal.

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HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#1 May 22, 2013
There is no science to the mental health industry. There is no medical model. There is no test for chemical imbalance to which the Mental Health Industry lied and admitted to the falsehood. There is no evidence based medicine to psychiatry and there is no MRI and any other test that can distinguish the brain mass or chemistry of the brain as a consistent and reliable test or data accumulated for any mental illness or person acting erratic.

This is just more mental health horse manure.
so did

Santa Fe, NM

#2 May 22, 2013
HumanSpirit wrote:
There is no science to the mental health industry. There is no medical model. There is no test for chemical imbalance to which the Mental Health Industry lied and admitted to the falsehood. There is no evidence based medicine to psychiatry and there is no MRI and any other test that can distinguish the brain mass or chemistry of the brain as a consistent and reliable test or data accumulated for any mental illness or person acting erratic.
This is just more mental health horse manure.
you get a diagnosis that you didn't like?
HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#3 May 23, 2013
Psychiatric Diagnosis: Too Little Science, Too Many Conflicts of Interest [i]

Paula J. Caplan, Ph.D.

Harvard University

Snip:

The Concerns

There is a lot of pain and suffering in the world, and it is tempting to believe that the mental health community knows how to help. It is widely believed, both by mental health professionals and the general population, that if only a person gets the right psychiatric diagnosis, the therapist will know what kind of measures will be the most helpful. Unfortunately, that is not usually the case, and getting a psychiatric diagnosis can often create more problems than it solves, including a lifetime of being labeled, difficulties with obtaining affordable (or any) health insurance (due to now having a pre-existing condition), loss of employment, loss of child custody, the overlooking of physical illnesses and injuries because of everything being attributed to psychological factors, and the loss of the right to make decisions about one’s medical and legal affairs. The creation and use of psychiatric diagnosis, unlike, for instance, psychiatric drugs, is not overseen by any regulatory body, and rarely does anyone raise the question of what role the assignment of a psychiatric label has played in creating problems for individuals.[ii]

The Problematic History

These serious limitations have not prevented the authors of the American Psychiatric Association’s (APA) Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), sometimes known as “the therapist’s Bible,” from making expansive claims about their knowledge and authority and wielding enormous power to decide who will and will not be called mentally ill and what the varieties of alleged mental illness will be. The DSM’s current edition is called DSM-IV-TR, and it was preceded by the original DSM (in 1952), then DSM-II (1968), DSM-III (1980), DSM-III-R (Third Edition Revised)(1987), DSM-IV (1994), and DSM-IV-TR (2000). The DSM-V is currently in preparation and slated for 2013 publication. Each time a new edition appears, the media ask whichever psychiatrist is the lead editor why a new edition was necessary, and like clockwork, each editor replies that it was because the previous edition really wasn’t scientific (Caplan, 1995). And each time a new edition appears, it contains many more categories than does the previous one. For instance, DSM-III-R contained 297 categories, and DSM-IV contained 374 (Caplan, 1995).

I served as an advisor to two of the DSM-IV committees, before resigning due to serious concerns after witnessing how fast and loose they play with the scientific research related to diagnosis (Caplan, 1995). The DSM is widely used, not only in the mental health system, but also in general medical practice, in schools, and in the courts. I have been involved since 1985 in trying to alert both therapists and the public to the manual’s unscientific nature and the dangers that believing in its objectivity poses. Since then, I have watched with interest a national trend toward gradually increasing openness to the idea that psychiatric diagnosis (A)is largely unscientific,(B)is highly subjective and political, and (C)can cause untold harm, ranging from the patients’ lowered self-confidence to loss of custody of children to loss of health insurance (because any psychiatric label can be considered evidence of a pre-existing condition) to loss of the right to make decisions about their medical and legal affairs.

More of this article:

http://awpsych.org/index.php...
HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#4 May 23, 2013
Inside the Battle to Define Mental Illness

Every so often Al Frances says something that seems to surprise even him. Just now, for instance, in the predawn darkness of his comfortable, rambling home in Carmel, California, he has broken off his exercise routine to declare that “there is no definition of a mental disorder. It’s bullshit. I mean, you just can’t define it.” Then an odd, reflective look crosses his face, as if he’s taking in the strangeness of this scene: Allen Frances, lead editor of the fourth edition of the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (universally known as the DSM-IV), the guy who wrote the book on mental illness, confessing that “these concepts are virtually impossible to define precisely with bright lines at the boundaries.” For the first time in two days, the conversation comes to an awkward halt.

Pasted from < http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/12/ff_dsmv... ;

There are no genetic tests, no brain scans, blood tests, chemical imbalance tests or X-rays that can scientifically/medically prove that any psychiatric disorder is a medical condition.
HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#5 May 23, 2013
Psychiatry: An industry of death

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Psychiatry No Science

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#6 May 23, 2013
The Mental Health Industry is a danger to the health and well being of any society

Public cases

Death, violence, erratic behavior and the suicide by mind drugs

http://ssristories.com/index.php

Soldier Cases

http://www.ssristories.com/index.php...
HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#7 May 23, 2013
The FDA Ban of L-Tryptophan: Politics, Profits and Prozac & other psychotropic drugs by Dean Wolfe Manders, Ph.D.

http://www.whale.to/a/manders.html
HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#8 May 23, 2013
NIMH delivers a kill shot to the DSM

http://m.topix.com/forum/med/psychiatry/TEKJV...
HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#9 May 23, 2013
so did wrote:
<quoted text>
you get a diagnosis that you didn't like?
No and I am not a scientologist either

The mental health industry is a danger to the society and has no science. No medical model. No evidence based medicine and no test for chemical imbalance to which the industry admitted lying.
HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#10 May 23, 2013
As I stated, I believe the practice of medicine is predicated on something called the "medical model" which doctors learn in medical school and has a set of procedures by which they practice medicine. Psychiatry, Psychologist, psychotherapist" (psycho - the - rapist) and the 101 other titles of importance, if any, in the field of psychiatry /psychology I lump into one broad category: "The mental health worker" for convenience.

To me, Psychiatry is misplaced in academia and belongs in social medicine. Psychology should be part of anthropology and brains are topics of biology.

Psychiatrist mainly guess as to psychotropic drugs used on many of the made to order mental disease which were voted on by the hand raising exercises of the American Psychiatric Association members, yearly, and listed in the DSM. I think you can see, Psychiatry with it inventive ideology stemming from "phrenology" to electro shock therapy is dealing into the dark science much like one that would practice voodoo or witchcraft or play a game, with a person mind, of Tarot cards.

A quote of Psychotherapy for you:

“Psychotherapy may be known in the future as the greatest hoax of the twentieth century.” Dr. Lawrence LeShan, former president of the Association for Humanistic Psychology

As for psychiatrists diagnosing an illness predicated on something like pain & suffering or behavior or conduct is absurd to me and I would discount the diagnoses as much as I would distrust their theories of physical or chemical lobotomies or shock treatment.

“More Brains Than .....”

Since: Sep 11

..a Zombie Thanksgiving

#11 May 23, 2013
How did Tom Cruise find our little forum?

Shoo, little man, shoo.
lolol

Albuquerque, NM

#12 May 23, 2013
HumanSpirit wrote:
There is no science to the mental health industry. There is no medical model. There is no test for chemical imbalance to which the Mental Health Industry lied and admitted to the falsehood. There is no evidence based medicine to psychiatry and there is no MRI and any other test that can distinguish the brain mass or chemistry of the brain as a consistent and reliable test or data accumulated for any mental illness or person acting erratic.
This is just more mental health horse manure.
.
Surprising though, every new mental condition the shrinks come up with the big pharm companies have a pill for almost immediately. Shrinks are just pill peddlers, and dangerous pills at that. Almost every mind bending, chemical balancing pill the shrinks prescribe seem to come with the warning about possibly causing suicidal thoughts. Go figure.
I guessed

Santa Fe, NM

#13 May 23, 2013
correctly.
HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#14 May 23, 2013
Phil the Grillmaster wrote:
How did Tom Cruise find our little forum?
Shoo, little man, shoo.
I have nothing to do with Scientology although I find the concerns they post consistent with fact concerning mind drugging and psychotherapy.
HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#15 May 23, 2013
The myths of ‘post-disaster counseling’

Pasted from < http://mindhacks.com/2011/03/15/the-myths-of-... ;

After almost any large scale disaster, you’ll hear reports that rescue workers, supplies and counselors are being sent to the area – as if mental health professionals were as vital as food and shelter.

Time has an excellent interview with psychologist Scott Lilienfeld on how our ideas about ‘post-disaster counseling’ are rapidly moving away from the ‘everyone needs to talk’ cliché due to a better understanding of mental health and resilience in the face of tragedy. Although everyone might be shaken up after a disaster, the vast majority – between about 70% and 80%– will not have mental health problems and will not need the help of psychologists or psychiatrists.

It was initially thought that legions of counselors were needed to work with everyone affected by the devastation to give sessions of ‘critical incident stress debriefings’– where people are asked to describe everything that happened to them and vent their emotions – supposedly to help prevent problems developing in the long term.

Instead, studies suggested that this was at best useless and instead probably made mental disorders more likely – probably because it raises or extends the level of stress in already very stressed people.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, most disaster victims are not that interested in exploring their emotions but want to get to a safe place, find out how there friends and family are, and solve immediate practical problems. This in itself tends to make people feel better. Consequently, new strategies involve only working with people who specifically ask for help and – instead of getting people to ‘vent’– the focus is on reducing emotional arousal, assuring physical safety and putting people in contact with loved ones. This strategy is often known as psychological first aid and was specifically designed to avoid the debriefing approach.

Time interviewee Lilienfeld has been key in challenging the idea that ‘everyone needs counselling’ after tragic events and has been a leader in making our disaster response a lot more effective. Highly recommended.

Link to Time interview on post-disaster counseling.

Pasted from < http://mindhacks.com/2011/03/15/the-myths-of-... ;

This is a FEMA ripoff of taxpayer money.
lolol

Albuquerque, NM

#16 May 23, 2013
I guessed wrote:
correctly.
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Your support for the $350.00 an hour mental health conglomerate maybe ?
another

Santa Fe, NM

#17 May 23, 2013
lolol wrote:
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one with a diagnosis he didn't like. I concur, based on your past posts.
HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#18 May 23, 2013
lolol wrote:
<quoted text>
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Surprising though, every new mental condition the shrinks come up with the big pharm companies have a pill for almost immediately. Shrinks are just pill peddlers, and dangerous pills at that. Almost every mind bending, chemical balancing pill the shrinks prescribe seem to come with the warning about possibly causing suicidal thoughts. Go figure.
Your correct.

Made to order pills for the various and new mental health diagnoses by the pharmaceutical industry . Fueling the pill taking and mental health visits is the money for disability per child in school even if the parents are employed and the number of disability cases with the made to order mental disabilities that will become permanent being on the mind drugs.

Overlooked is the human waste product from the mind drugs (other drugs like Statin drugs = memory loss / Reglan , Viagra , Chantix mind drugs are discharged into the underground water that is recycled with the same minerals and ingredients being absorbed by showering and bathing to all persons that will later have a psychotic personality or act in strange or different personality. The drugs are the money producers for the mental health and pharmaceutical industries including those cashing in on secondary health problems like the liver, heart and kidney from the mind drugs.

Ever wonder why the push for drinking tap water was considered safe by authorities and the Mountain Spring waters weren't needed for drinks even water sources were known contaminated. Every underground water is pooled by an underground aquifers and so selected areas can be contaminated. Black areas / white area / Democratic area , Republican area or areas under military control or area politicians want control.

( Given the support of the mental health (1989) was a Bush Sr (past pharmaceutical CEO) with son George, former ALEC presidents ALEC ignititive and they should be given credit in their planned coup detat more then just the ALEC financial collapse of the USA for the drug America plan.) New World Order.

George Bush Sr

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HumanSpirit

Alachua, FL

#19 May 23, 2013
Historic Precedent

In the momentous article "Medical Science Under Dictator-ship," Dr. Leo Alexander, the chief U.S. medical consultant at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials, examined "the process by which the German medical profession became a willing and unquestioning collaborator with the Nazis." He noted the early changes in medical attitudes that predisposed German physicians to first collect data on their patients to conduct what today we call "cost-effective analysis," and then to use the latter information as a vehicle to commit medical genocide under the auspices of the totalitarianism of National Socialism. Dr. Alexander warns us that "from small beginnings" the values of an entire society may be subverted, leading to the horrors of a police state. The "small beginnings" in Nazi Germany that Dr. Alexander referred to first led the physicians to collect data from their patients and then violate their patients' privacy and medical record confidentiality by supplying the information to the state.(6) Organizations with humanitarian-sounding names were set up in Nazi Germany to institute "health" programs, under deceptive, euphemistic terms. For example, questionnaires collected by a "Realm's Work Committee of Institutions for Cure and Care" gathered and reported information on patients who had been ill five years or more and who were unable to work. "On the basis of name, race, marital status, nationality, next of kin, whether regularly visited and by whom, who bore financial responsibility, and so forth," decisions were ultimately made for the patient euthanasia program heralded by the Nazi government for the good of the state and the "health of the nation." The first steps taken toward barbarism were the result of the physicians' willingness to participate in patient data collection and the violation of medical privacy. "Corrosion," as Dr. Alexander wrote, "begins in microscopic proportions." German physicians were, more than any other profession, heavily represented in the Nazi Party, which they joined in droves. German psychiatrists were no exception, and they also enthusiastically supported Nazi Germany's gun control laws of 1938 that disarmed the civilian population and left a monopoly of force in the hands of the German military and the SS. The rest, as we say, is history.

AMA Becomes Political

As to the commitment of the AMA to weakening medical privacy and individual-based ethics in favor of population-based ethics and achieve a partnership with government, there is no longer any doubt.(7,8) In the case of the American Psychiatric Association, one only has to peruse its position statement on homicide prevention and gun control promulgated by its leadership as early as 1993: "In view of the need to reinforce individual and group sanctions against the use of violence as a social instrument, behavioral mode, or adaptorional [sic] pattern, as psychiatrists have done with drug abuse, suicidal actions, and antisocial behavior, the American Psychiatric Association recommends that strong controls be placed on the availability of all types of firearms to private citizens."(9) Why would the AMA and organized medicine become involved in this politically expedient but potentially explosive issue of gun control and condone the systematic violation of the privacy of vulnerable patients?

http://www.haciendapub.com/edcor8.html
nope

Albuquerque, NM

#20 May 23, 2013
another wrote:
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one with a diagnosis he didn't like. I concur, based on your past posts.
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off base a bit there, never seen a shrink in my 60+ years but, do have people close to me that have run through the mental health grinder for inane unneeded counselling. eg: a female acquaintance required to go thru endless weekly counselling because her boyfriend beat on her. She got NOTHING out of it except a huge bill.

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