Should evolution be taught in high school?

[MIDutch]

cruzc wrote:

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I think you should do some research on the demographics of Christian denominations in Australia.
And, your definition of "Christian" could be entirely different than mine. There are a lot of "odd bods" running around claiming they are "Christian" while subscribing to atheistic Darwin, macro-evolution.:)
Now, just assume that I'm a Christian (as far as your understanding of that title), and make your play/point.
Please don't complain either, I'm being cordial by fitting into your mindset, i.e. all evolutionists base their life on "assumptions", irresponsible ones at that.

Madame/Mr. Cruzc, no assumptions please. Are you a CHristian?

[Katydid]

MIDutch wrote:

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Madame/Mr. Cruzc, no assumptions please. Are you a CHristian?

Dutch, Sweets has hit the nail on the head with this poster. He visits the evolution debate forum every so often. He comes in ranting and raving and offers nothing whatsoever to the discussion. He will never answer one of your questions, he will just consistently, pompously, bloviate about his brilliance. He will repeatedly state that “he will soon”_________ fill in the blank here. Refute what you have stated, offer evidence to the contrary, etc. He never does though. After a time when he is through insulting everyone, he disappears into the hole from whence he came.

Does he follow the example that Christ set for us? Read his posts and you will have your answer.

[Dr Sausage]

Katydid wrote:

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He comes in ranting and raving and offers nothing whatsoever to the discussion.

He's one of those drive-by Science haters who bad-mouths Evolution and then disappears.

[hexene]

LWsciencejunkie wrote:

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For some reason, that line read aloud to the fam. just brought the house down. Hilarious.

LOL! Sometimes.....I suprise myself with one liners but in crucie's case it's so easy.

[hexene]

Katydid wrote:

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Dutch, Sweets has hit the nail on the head with this poster. He visits the evolution debate forum every so often. He comes in ranting and raving and offers nothing whatsoever to the discussion. He will never answer one of your questions, he will just consistently, pompously, bloviate about his brilliance. He will repeatedly state that “he will soon”_________ fill in the blank here. Refute what you have stated, offer evidence to the contrary, etc. He never does though. After a time when he is through insulting everyone, he disappears into the hole from whence he came.
Does he follow the example that Christ set for us? Read his posts and you will have your answer.

Bingo! Kathydid! That is an excellent description of Crucie.

[tomk52]

cruzc wrote:

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Au contraire mon ami! The reality is that I've manipulated you into showing your perversity, i.e. the effects of evolution on a simple soul, i.e. yourself.
You have been totally "owned". You've served your purpose well, and I have no doubt you shall continue to do so.:)
You, my dearest simpleton, cannot be blamed for failing to recognize that my intellect so far surpasses your puny mind that it simply beggars' belief.:)
WE look forward to more of your postings. You are damaging your cause, and that was my plan from the very beginning.
It's jusr too easy with some people. LOL

Oh, Christ's on his bicycle again.

Cruz has gone off his meds and has been reading too many comic books again.

So tell me, Professor C. When are you & the X-men gonna put in an appearance up here in the states?

And don't you find that those polyester, skin tight uniforms & capes are a little impractical around the house?

tk

[Roku Roku Roku]

sweets2360 wrote:

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crurz is nothing but a troll. He isnt arguing from the religious side or the evolutionist side, he is just arguing to hear himself talk. Nothing I have read of his makes any sense at all, accusing people of name calling when he calls people names, cause that is a trolls purpose. They never actually join Topixs and use the same name so they can go from board to board and jump in using another name and make those people mad. Only solution for a troll is to completely ignore them.

Thanks, that's the impression I was getting.

[cruzc]

hexene wrote:

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Deflection doesn't change the fact that you are one dumb creationist.......

And you've just proved that you are obsessed and in love with me --- how cute! LOL

Stop typing my name, o obsesssed one!

[cruzc]

Katydid wrote:

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Dutch, Sweets has hit the nail on the head with this poster. He visits the evolution debate forum every so often. He comes in ranting and raving and offers nothing whatsoever to the discussion. He will never answer one of your questions, he will just consistently, pompously, bloviate about his brilliance. He will repeatedly state that “he will soon”_________ fill in the blank here. Refute what you have stated, offer evidence to the contrary, etc. He never does though. After a time when he is through insulting everyone, he disappears into the hole from whence he came.
Does he follow the example that Christ set for us? Read his posts and you will have your answer.

But katydid sweetie,

Last time when I was showing you that Richard Leakey was using the fake drawings of Haeckel in a publication in the 1970's, you turned tail and ran, whilst crying?

So, quit complaining, you false Christian who is pushing macro-evolution against the express teachings of your Pope Pius XII.:)

P.S. All you have to offer is an example of how bad the American diet is and more false monkey-business. ;)

[cruzc]

tomk52 wrote:

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Oh, Christ's on his bicycle again.
Cruz has gone off his meds and has been reading too many comic books again.
So tell me, Professor C. When are you & the X-men gonna put in an appearance up here in the states?
And don't you find that those polyester, skin tight uniforms & capes are a little impractical around the house?
tk

No those costumes are just fine. It's only extremely obese yanks, like you, that can't wear those skin tight costumes.:)

I see that you have jumped in as usual --- typical evolutionist, no imagination, just a pack mentality.:)

P.S. Try the Atkins diet.:) You and katydid can have a weight losing competition.

[hexene]

cruzc wrote:

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And you've just proved that you are obsessed and in love with me --- how cute! LOL
Stop typing my name, o obsesssed one!

Oh! Hark! The dumb creationist speaks. As usual nothing to say. Now Crucie go back to your flock of sheep........those poor abused sheep....Baaaa!

[Surelyfaithful]

If parents send their children to private Christian schools they should not have to pay school tax. It's not fair for atheists to force their beliefs on everyone else.

[Katydid]

cruzc wrote:

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But katydid sweetie,
Last time when I was showing you that Richard Leakey was using the fake drawings of Haeckel in a publication in the 1970's, you turned tail and ran, whilst crying?
So, quit complaining, you false Christian who is pushing macro-evolution against the express teachings of your Pope Pius XII.:)
P.S. All you have to offer is an example of how bad the American diet is and more false monkey-business. ;)

Don’t think so, I do remember both DS and myself providing evidence to both you and Doc Adair that no textbook in the US that high schools use to teach bio, honors and AP bio use the drawings as “evidence” of evolution.

I provided the syllabus from many different Catholic High Schools in the US that teach genetics and evolution in their bio classes. I provided evidence that they taught evolution and evolution only, without mentioning God in said classes. I provided evidence that even though these schools could teach whatever they wanted, they only mentioned theistic evolution in their religion classes. I provided evidence that Catholic High Schools celebrated “Darwin Day” this past February. I provided evidence that JP2 had no difficulties whatsoever with evolution.

Oh and here is one for you, the Vatican newspaper recently ran an article by Italian biologist Fiorenzo Facchini in which he stated:

“ Evolution and Creation cannot be in opposition. God can have created a world with the capacity to change and evolve through natural causes.”

This year the Vatican is preparing its most systematic look yet at evolution at a conference Oct. 31-Nov. 4 sponsored by the Pontifical Academy of Sciences. This year’s conference is entitled:“ Scientific Insights Into the Evolution of the Universe and of Life”.

This year’s conference will feature several Nobel Prize winners. Stephen Hawking will talk on the origin and the destiny of the universe, Swiss chemist, Albert Eschenmoser will discuss the search for the chemistry of life’s origin, US biologist David Baltimore will examine evolution at the genetic level,:-) and Greek biologist Fotis Kafatos will speak on evolution and the insect world.

Those addressing the theological and philosophical aspects of evolution will include Italian Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini will discuss evolution from a Biblical perspective, and Father Stanley L. Jaki, a professor of physics and the philosophy of science At Seton Hall University will speak on evolution as science and ideology.

The draft of the booklet that describes the highlights of the program includes this quote by Pope Benedict:

“ I see in Germany, but also in the United States, a somewhat fierce debate raging between so-called ‘creationism’ and evolution, presented as though they were mutually exclusive alternatives: Those who believe in the Creator would not be able to conceive of evolution, and those who instead support evolution would have to exclude God”.

“The antithesis is absurd because, on the one hand, THERE ARE SO MANY SCIENTIFIC PROOFS IN FAVOR OF EVOLUTION WHICH APPEARS TO BE A REALITY WE CAN SEE AND WHICH ENRICHES OUR KNOWLEDGE OF LIFE AND BEING AS SUCH (emphasis is mine). But on the other, the doctrine of evolution does not answer every query. Especially the great philosophical question: Where does everything come from? And how did everything start which ultimately led to man?”

The final presentation of the program is entitled “The Latest Challenge to Evolution: Intelligent Design”.

So, you see Cruz, you are the only Catholic, probably in the world that believes in literal Creationism.

You have never provided one single piece of evidence that refutes the ToE, because you have none. The only things that you know how to do are insult people and twist their words to suit your purpose.

[ZekeCDN]

Surelyfaithful wrote:

If parents send their children to private Christian schools they should not have to pay school tax. It's not fair for atheists to force their beliefs on everyone else.

Oh yeah, well I have NO children, yet I'm paying to educate YOURS in the public system. And as long as I'm doing that, you'll not be smuggling your religion into the science classrooms!

[Surelyfaithful]

I would not subject my children to public school. There is way too much violence it those buildings.

[Drew Smith]

Surelyfaithful wrote:

If parents send their children to private Christian schools they should not have to pay school tax.

We *all* pay school taxes because we *all* benefit from living among an educated population.

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Surelyfaithful wrote:

It's not fair for atheists to force their beliefs on everyone else.

Because atheism is a *lack* of a belief, atheists have no particular beliefs that are available to forced onto anyone else. So your statement is meaningless.

[jmr]

Some folks in Arkansas have a cave on their property. They offer tours and state very clearly that the geologic formations in this cave are 6,000 years old. This despite dinosaur bones, the fossil record, carbon-14 dating, etc.

They also give tours to schoolkids.

[Surelyfaithful]

Atheism is the belief that there is no God (or gods) . The definition is being diluted by some for political purposes however, it is very much a belief and very much a religion.

[Drew Smith]

Surelyfaithful wrote:

Atheism is the belief that there is no God (or gods).

Nope, atheism is the *lack* of belief in a god (or gods).

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Surelyfaithful wrote:

it is very much a belief and very much a religion.

It is neither a belief nor a religion. It is the *lack* of such.

[The_Captain]

Surelyfaithful wrote:

Atheism is the belief that there is no God (or gods). The definition is being diluted by some for political purposes however, it is very much a belief and very much a religion.

Atheism is a religion like NOT collecting stamps is a hobby!