Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 179697 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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“GOD ALMIGHTY”

Since: Aug 12

Northampton, UK

#153642 Sep 19, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Bingo. But it was for Sub. I get tired of him posting grade school questions that he already knows by heart.
proves what an a hole your are
subduction zone is a girl
last time i looked.
HTS

Englewood, CO

#153643 Sep 19, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Exactly. And by my definition, the rock rock is more disordered than the sphere.
Do you disagree?
OK, now I understand what you're saying...
Yes, I agree that a rock rock is more disordered than a sphere.

To recap your definition of disorder... "the degree of disorder is the amount of information required to completely describe the microscopic system."

According to that definition, a 1,000 page textbook of quantum mechanics is less ordered than 1,000 pages of single-spaced text composed only of the letter "b". I would sharply disagree with such a definition, because the 1,000 pages of the letter "b" could be created with little energy... whereas a textbook of quantum mechanics would take great energy to create. This is because a meaningful book contains information, whereas repetitive letters do not. How does that analogy fit in with the SLoT?

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

Since: Mar 13

He Is A Sock Know It All

#153644 Sep 19, 2013
the dark lord wrote:
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proves what an a hole your are
subduction zone is a girl
last time i looked.
Then I will refer to Sub as a "person" for I have no clue if that person is male or female!

“GOD ALMIGHTY”

Since: Aug 12

Northampton, UK

#153645 Sep 19, 2013
scientific understanding of some significant quality
of inquiry must first be established a prior
before a multiplicity of quantum dynamics can be
satisfactorily applied to the foundational subject posterior.

one based maelstrom in philosophical logic can be
combined in mathematical equation with another;
until a system least a network is systematically
constructed from recent if not local
data banks.

we hold a fine approach of trigonometry apparatus
in the assessment of multi complexity of scientific understanding
in accordance with primary subjects.

“GOD ALMIGHTY”

Since: Aug 12

Northampton, UK

#153646 Sep 19, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Then I will refer to Sub as a "person" for I have no clue if that person is male or female!
lets just call her "Scatterbrains"
the FBI use her head as a memory bank football
such a sad case.
and lests be honest
she is so brainy.

everyone want to be her
i want to score a goal with her at Wembley.

or better a hat-trick
so i can take it home after the game.

“GOD ALMIGHTY”

Since: Aug 12

Northampton, UK

#153647 Sep 19, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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In that case, how about this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_and_life
it explicitly discusses the entropy aspects of life. In particular,
"Moreover, the Gibbs free energy equation, in modified form, can be utilized for open systems when chemical potential terms are included in the energy balance equation. In a popular 1982 textbook, Principles of Biochemistry by noted American biochemist Albert Lehninger, it is argued that the order produced within cells as they grow and divide is more than compensated for by the disorder they create in their surroundings in the course of growth and division. In short, according to Lehninger, "living organisms preserve their internal order by taking from their surroundings free energy, in the form of nutrients or sunlight, and returning to their surroundings an equal amount of energy as heat and entropy."
i could stand up for texas women...

and when i am finished you will be goggle eyed.

love ya babe.

“GOD ALMIGHTY”

Since: Aug 12

Northampton, UK

#153648 Sep 19, 2013
lick lips and say meow
hold an iron towards the heat of the sun
an pull a lever for the grace of god.

touch the blue paper
and move a significant distance away.

feel the heat take the pressure
love the pain
come through pleasure.

“GOD ALMIGHTY”

Since: Aug 12

Northampton, UK

#153649 Sep 19, 2013
see ya folks.

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

Since: Mar 13

He Is A Sock Know It All

#153650 Sep 19, 2013
the dark lord wrote:
see ya folks.
Yep oh and feel free to take your time coming back :-)
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#153651 Sep 19, 2013
HTS wrote:
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There are trillions of trillions of possible micro states of a crystal.
A given molecule just happens to align itself in one position vs another. You call it "ordered" only because of its symmetry. In the case of ice, the molecular properties of water alone at a given temperature determine the crystalline arrangement.
As far as microstates of a cell...I assume you mean FUNCTIONAL microstates?
I challenge you to prove or even logically explain your contention that "trillions" of possible microstates exist.
As far as is known, there is only one genetic code that has the capacity to support life...DNA
If multiple codes are possible....then show us the scientific evidence. Why are not multiple different genetic codes evident in nature?
Why aren't multiple genetic codes evident in nature? Hmmm, let's see.

Well there's around 7 BILLION humans on the planet.

Oh, and then we have EVERYTHING ELSE that's on the Earth.

Each one of them all with slightly different genetic code. And if alive, functional to boot.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#153652 Sep 19, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Good point. And that is only for that one molecule. LOL
Yikes. That's a lot of microstates.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#153653 Sep 19, 2013
HTS wrote:
You are essentially denying the purposeful organization of matter.
How is "purpose" defined here? Then how is it determined? Then what made it that way?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#153654 Sep 19, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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This is wrong. The number of available microstates for ice does not include rotational, or translational states. They are included for liquid water. This is *basic* material. it isn't controversial in the least.
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But none of the rotational states are left. None of the translational states are left. So it is MORE ordered, it has fewer available microstates and has lower entropy.
<quoted text>
And this is false. There are all the translational states. There are also rotational states, flexing states, vibrational states, etc.
<quoted text>
Simply false. Especially compared to ice.
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Then you thought wrong.
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A change in entropy is *defined* in thermodynamics by the equation dS=dQ/T, where dQ is the amount of energy change, T is the temperature, and dS is the entropy change. For the same amount of energy change, the change in entropy is more at lower temperatures. In particular, if energy is released, dQ is negative, and entropy decreases.
This is *basic* and follows directly from the thermodynamic definition of entropy.
Keep in mind that HTS's definition of "order" means "intelligence required."

:-/
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#153655 Sep 19, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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This is what started the whole thing.
"The oldest known Calendar is a Lunar Calendar in Aberdeenshire, Scotland, which was constructed around 8,000 BCE."
So I asked did they use BC back then, how could they use BC back then way before Jesus, or was it implemented later for religious purposes. And I also said by them dating this at 8000BC that would mean the world is 10013 years old which would not go along with the YEC's.
BC/AD is just for religious purposes so why do they keep dating things such as this calendar in BC (8000BC)? One has to think every time they date something with a BC or AD it plays into the creationists hands. I have never seen a fossil dated 65millionBC (LOL joke). So why sugar coat the dating of the calendar. If it is 10000 years old, just say it is 10000 years old and not date it to 8000BC.
Me-owch.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#153656 Sep 19, 2013
HTS wrote:
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Answer the question, Polymath...
Is a frozen human corpse more ordered than a live human corpse?
You have ignored my fundamental challenge... to give an objective definition of "order".
No he hasn't.

By the way, after well over a year now you've ignored my request to give an objective definition of "complexity". We have no idea what it means in the context you are using, because unfortunately you have no idea what it means in the context you are using.

At least we know what you mean by "order" - Godmagic.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#153657 Sep 19, 2013
the dark lord wrote:
subduction zone is a girl
last time i looked.
For real?
HTS

Englewood, CO

#153658 Sep 19, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Why aren't multiple genetic codes evident in nature? Hmmm, let's see.
Well there's around 7 BILLION humans on the planet.
Oh, and then we have EVERYTHING ELSE that's on the Earth.
Each one of them all with slightly different genetic code. And if alive, functional to boot.
I'm speaking of different genetic codes other than DNA-based.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#153659 Sep 19, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
This is very straight forward right from the standard statistical entropy formula posted in wikipedia!
Why are you using a source that's known to be part of the evil atheist worldwide liberal Darwinist conspiracy? Here's yours:

conservapedia.com
HTS

Englewood, CO

#153660 Sep 19, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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How is "purpose" defined here? Then how is it determined? Then what made it that way?
matter organized in such a way so as to result in intricate interacting parts of a functioning system.

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

Since: Mar 13

He Is A Sock Know It All

#153661 Sep 19, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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NO ONE ELSE ANSWER!!! This is for Sub since he always runs when confronted with a question; Sub a few questions you need to answer to see if you know anything:

1. What is the speed of a bus that travels 250.0 km in 3.00 hours? What is it traveling in meters per second?

2. What is the speed of a car that travels 150 km in 4.00 hours? Is the car speeding on Mesa St.?(Speed limit on Mesa St. is 35mi/hour). If the car is seeding on Mesa St, how much over the speed limit is the car going? If it I not speeding on Mesa St. how much under the speed limit is it going?

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