Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 180279 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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“GOD ALMIGHTY”

Since: Aug 12

Falmouth, UK

#141986 Jul 10, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>
And you need to use NASA's credibility because you have none of your own ..... right?
i have somewhat of a den:
but its a shared facility.
what i need is a command tower base,
for this i need government intervention.
and someone to liaise if not delegate
over spending rights.

scientifically i live out a Mac
someone said it kinda small time,
but the projects i am involved
with are anything but smalltime.
in fact some are of massive scale
and proportions like the
flag ship Uber Allis
with was the giant mother ship out of
'Star Wars' doing all the
astro physical engineering to
this space ship practically turning some
drawings into a real flyable space ship.

i am currently working with the concept
of nano space engineering technology (NSET):
as i have commonly called it.
Mugwump

Rochdale, UK

#141987 Jul 10, 2013
the dark lord wrote:
<quoted text>
i have somewhat of a den:
but its a shared facility.
what i need is a command tower base,
for this i need government intervention.
and someone to liaise if not delegate
over spending rights.
scientifically i live out a Mac
someone said it kinda small time,
but the projects i am involved
with are anything but smalltime.
in fact some are of massive scale
and proportions like the
flag ship Uber Allis
with was the giant mother ship out of
'Star Wars' doing all the
astro physical engineering to
this space ship practically turning some
drawings into a real flyable space ship.
i am currently working with the concept
of nano space engineering technology (NSET):
as i have commonly called it.
Stop spamming and do something useful with your time

“e pluribus unum”

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#141988 Jul 10, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>WOW! Where was this at?
She was a Congaree.

“GOD ALMIGHTY”

Since: Aug 12

Falmouth, UK

#141989 Jul 10, 2013
NSET engineering and technology
NOKIA nano animo-people
NIKON nono space
Believer

Manchester, TN

#141990 Jul 10, 2013
Where there is no faith, there is no hope!

Where there is no hope, there is no purpose!

Where there is no purpose, there is no purpose.

HWHETHLHH

“e pluribus unum”

Since: Dec 10

primus inter pares

#141991 Jul 10, 2013
Believer wrote:
Where there is no faith, there is no hope!
Where there is no hope, there is no purpose!
Where there is no purpose, there is no purpose.
HWHETHLHH

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#141992 Jul 10, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>The siphon can be near the banks of the river and the main body of river water would flow normally.
Go to Google. Enter the search string "scale model water turbines for river applications". This will give you pictures and a lot of reading. Maybe you will get a better feel for the reality of these things.

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#141993 Jul 10, 2013
Believer wrote:
Where there is no faith, there is no hope!
Where there is no hope, there is no purpose!
Where there is no purpose, there is no purpose.
HWHETHLHH
So as long as you have faith in something, you have hope. And if you have hope, then you have purpose. What if your purpose is to have faith and hope?

Since: Jul 13

Houston, MO

#141994 Jul 10, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>So as long as you have faith in something, you have hope. And if you have hope, then you have purpose. What if your purpose is to have faith and hope?
If your purpose is to have faith and hope then your purpose is to spread the word of God. To share his glory and his wisdom. Or I guess you can be like you and have no purpose but to run down what you don't understand and run down what you feel threatened by. Let me guess you pray at times just in case, you probably go to church at times but you feel you have to go for other reasons than yourself because part of you think it is all BS while the other part says what if. Well all those choices are yours to make. Choose wisely grasshopper for you can either seal your fate shut or open your fate and go. It all comes down to you. But I can clearly see that you sort of want to believe but at the sametime you come here and feel like a fool because it dos not fit in with the crowd/clique. So to be sure you are liked now you run God down and just go along with the crowd. Hey that is all good if that is what you choose. Just be ready for the misery when you follow that same crowd to helll!

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#141995 Jul 11, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
No, mainly in one direction - downward. Genetic entropy, remember?
we all know that

1. the majority of mutations are completely neutral.

2. Of those with an effect, the majority by far are deleterious.

We also know that natural mutation selectively weeds out the deleterious ones and reinforces the beneficial ones.

We also know that for evolution to work - or for anyone to claim it does not work - one would have to formulate an equation determining whether the positive effect of selection outweighs the negative effect of the majority of mutations being deleterious.

Sanford completely failed to do that. He DID manage some selective quote mining of Kimura and others like Muller (of the famous ratchet), and Haldane, people who really did work on the issue.

But you will ignore that. Just as you are desperate to make a mountain out of a molehill on trivial errors in a topix post, you are equally desperate to buy into ANY argument against evolution, no matter how bad.

I think back to your claims of Snelling's discredited quote mining of Coe and Prevot's REAL work. Or of Denton's claim about the nested hierarchy in amphibians and mammals versus the tiger moth...a claim which he retracted with embarrassment when he saw his own foolish error! But creationists know no embarrassment.

Think I am scatter gunning again? Not at all, as I have no intention of pursuing each of these right now. They are dead an buried. My POINT is that you lack all critical analysis skills for any idea that happens to agree with your a priori prejudices.

Admittedly even some supporters of evolution do that too, but its poor thinking whoever does it.

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#141996 Jul 11, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
And sorry, the data does not support that conclusion at all. The period covering post-war 1940s up to the economic recession of the early 1970s saw the greatest increase in industrial production (basically from zero to smoke-stack industries) yet CO2 levels actually decreased during this period. Then, from the 70s recession until a few years ago, industrial emissions have declined while CO2 increased. This is the opposite of what AGW would predict and completely refutes your conclusion.
Actually I was not getting into an argument about CO2 levels.

Originally, YOU made the claim that as a trace gas CO2's effect or a tiny total rise in CO2 would be insignificant.

I corrected you with the point that its not the total, but RELATIVE rise in CO2 that matters. An that rise is at least 30%, and its anthropomorphic in origin. I see yo shift the goal posts before acknowledging that point. I do understand that you think you will have a heart attack if you agree with me on anything at all, so I'll let it pass.

In any case, your claim sounds rather incredible. Not only that, but your logic is flawed. Even if we agreed that total emissions declined over a particular period, that may only slow the RATE of INCREASE, not lead to a DECREASE in CO2 levels. If I start you on a shot of bourbon every five minutes and then at the half hour mark reduce it to every 10 minutes, you are still gonna get drunker and drunker.

The empirical data hows a continual rise pretty much over the last century.

Now I will remind you again that I do not regard that as meaning we are all headed for climate disaster. It MIGHT, but I have some confidence in Earth's self correcting (negative feedback) climate systems. Also the effect is probably logarithmic in the sense that it might require successive doublings for a progressively smaller total effect. So I am not in favour of punitive attacks on industry and so on for the sake of reductions.

I AM in favour of every green technology development we can manage to reduce long term dependence on fossil fuel. It makes both environmental and geo-political sense.

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#141997 Jul 11, 2013
SonRisen wrote:
<quoted text>
If your purpose is to have faith and hope then your purpose is to spread the word of God. To share his glory and his wisdom. Or I guess you can be like you and have no purpose but to run down what you don't understand and run down what you feel threatened by. Let me guess you pray at times just in case, you probably go to church at times but you feel you have to go for other reasons than yourself because part of you think it is all BS while the other part says what if. Well all those choices are yours to make. Choose wisely grasshopper for you can either seal your fate shut or open your fate and go. It all comes down to you. But I can clearly see that you sort of want to believe but at the sametime you come here and feel like a fool because it dos not fit in with the crowd/clique. So to be sure you are liked now you run God down and just go along with the crowd. Hey that is all good if that is what you choose. Just be ready for the misery when you follow that same crowd to helll!
In my view, Grasshopper's philosophy of life was superior to yours in almost every way.

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#141998 Jul 11, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> There has been no decrease in CO2 emissions in 200 years, it has been rising overall.
And in any case, even a reduction in emissions would only slow the rate of increase in atmospheric CO2 levels, not cause the total level to decline.

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#141999 Jul 11, 2013
the dark lord wrote:
NSET engineering and technology
NOKIA nano animo-people
NIKON nono space
NINNY

“GOD ALMIGHTY”

Since: Aug 12

Falmouth, UK

#142000 Jul 11, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
NINNY
no i have an idea of nano people and nano space,
i have just decided to call them Nokia and Nikon respectively.

“GOD ALMIGHTY”

Since: Aug 12

Falmouth, UK

#142001 Jul 11, 2013
alright, it all seems less potent to me: as a quest
or something than it was last night.

“GOD ALMIGHTY”

Since: Aug 12

Falmouth, UK

#142002 Jul 11, 2013
politics today is quagmired in what i term: slush puppy.
slush puppy is a political dialectic for modern times.
it tastes like fruit juice but its a fake and a fraudulent
blot of the real political agenda that struggles underneath
in the forgotten world of politics.

slush puppy is a kind of political agenda its also the blank
expression that we get from our politicians these days.
trouble them with an answer to a real problem and they
think of all the referrals all the letters and the tweets from
angry pressure groups from key political organisations.

slush puppy is the new dumbed-down phenomenon
in a political context for modern times.

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#142003 Jul 11, 2013
the dark lord wrote:
politics today is quagmired in what i term: slush puppy.
slush puppy is a political dialectic for modern times.
it tastes like fruit juice but its a fake and a fraudulent
blot of the real political agenda that struggles underneath
in the forgotten world of politics.
slush puppy is a kind of political agenda its also the blank
expression that we get from our politicians these days.
trouble them with an answer to a real problem and they
think of all the referrals all the letters and the tweets from
angry pressure groups from key political organisations.
slush puppy is the new dumbed-down phenomenon
in a political context for modern times.
Now thats a post I like. slush puppy. Apt phrase.

Same goes for news. Now people dial into the version of the news they like. news is a slush puppy too, catering to every social and political taste instead of "reporting what happened" which is what news used to strive to do in a hopefully balanced way.

Left and Right both guilty.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#142004 Jul 11, 2013
Believer wrote:
Where there is no faith, there is no hope!
Where there is no hope, there is no purpose!
Where there is no purpose, there is no purpose.
HWHETHLHH
Faith is believing things without a rational justification for doing so. That is not required to have hope.

Purpose is something we imbue our lives with, not something given to us from on high.

If you think you're incapable of defining a purpose for your life, you should try thinking for once. It does wonders. Here's a good starting point: love the people who love you, do good things for other people, find what brings you joy in life and do that. That's purpose. You don't need some imaginary wizard to be able to come up with stuff like that. If you think there needs to be more, you're capable of defining what that "more" ought to be. If you do something good, give yourself credit for having done it. If you do something bad, take responsibility for having done it. Stop fobbing everything off onto invisible spooks.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#142005 Jul 11, 2013
SonRisen wrote:
<quoted text>
If your purpose is to have faith and hope then your purpose is to spread the word of God. To share his glory and his wisdom. Or I guess you can be like you and have no purpose but to run down what you don't understand and run down what you feel threatened by.
You mean, the way people who don't understand and feel threatened by science run it down?
SonRisen wrote:
Let me guess you pray at times just in case, you probably go to church at times but you feel you have to go for other reasons than yourself because part of you think it is all BS while the other part says what if. Well all those choices are yours to make. Choose wisely grasshopper for you can either seal your fate shut or open your fate and go. It all comes down to you.
Obviously, you don't understand why Pascal's wager is bullshit. Consider this: Zeus.
SonRisen wrote:
But I can clearly see that you sort of want to believe but at the sametime you come here and feel like a fool because it dos not fit in with the crowd/clique. So to be sure you are liked now you run God down and just go along with the crowd. Hey that is all good if that is what you choose. Just be ready for the misery when you follow that same crowd to helll!
And you'd better be ready for the misery when you follow all the Christians to Hades.

Whoops, I gave away the whole secret to why Pascal's wager is bullshit. My bad. Anyway, it ain't "either the Bible's right or the atheist is right," it's "either the Bible's right or the atheist is right or any of the thousands of religious constructs over the history of humanity is right." Of course, those religious constructs can't ALL be right, but they can ALL be wrong. I don't suppose you ever thought that far outside of yourself, did you? Nah...it's not comfortable to do that, but once you begin, you can't stop, and that's where atheism begins. Don't you DARE start thinking rationally about your religious beliefs and your nonsensical apologetics, or you'll stop being a good Christian.

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