Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 179756 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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HTS

Englewood, CO

#117432 Feb 15, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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What's preference got to do with it? You DO know that there are MILLIONS of species, right? Hence why marsupials were also successful as well as placental mammals.
.
Dude, you consistely dodge all legitimate concerns that are posed. For natural selection to preserve an ERV insertion, that organism that has been so endowed has to be functionally superior to all other non-infected members of the species. How does a worthless segment of inserted DNA impart a survival advantage. Any random manipulation of genetic code would result in an inferior outcome... at least such would be predicted by evolution. Why are you bringing up marsupials vs placental mammals?
HTS

Englewood, CO

#117433 Feb 15, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
We have gone over how this is just a paranoid fantasy of yours.
If the various creation "scientists" could show that there has been prejudice against them they could openly publish one of their wrongfully rejected works along with the reasons for rejection. They have never done so. All they have is empty claims of prejudice.
All creationists should remember this mantra:
Without evidence you lose.
For starters, consider the fraudulent drawings that have been propagated in high school and university biology textbooks for over a century. I'm speaking of the infamous Ernst Haeckle. You're going to sit there and tell me that this is objective "peer review"?

Since: Aug 07

Miami, FL

#117434 Feb 15, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Everything I said in that post was 100% accurate. Here it is again:
<quoted text>
Which particular parts did I get wrong?
All of it.
HTS

Englewood, CO

#117435 Feb 15, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
All creationists should remember this mantra:
Without evidence you lose.
SZ: I hate to be the one to break this to you, but you have no scientific evidence to back up molecules-to-man evolution. You have bedtime stories and propaganda... nothing more. Every one of your ridiculous pieces of "evidence" can be and has been logically refuted by intelligent, highly credentialed scientists. What you have are philosophical opinions. You have no science whatsoever.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#117436 Feb 15, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>SZ: I hate to be the one to break this to you, but you have no scientific evidence to back up molecules-to-man evolution. You have bedtime stories and propaganda... nothing more. Every one of your ridiculous pieces of "evidence" can be and has been logically refuted by intelligent, highly credentialed scientists. What you have are philosophical opinions. You have no science whatsoever.
He's got more evidence for "molecule to man" than you have for "magic skydaddy exists".
Mugwump

Bradford, UK

#117437 Feb 15, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>
. Any random manipulation of genetic code would result in an inferior outcome... at least such would be predicted by evolution.
Want to back up this statement - specifically where evolution requires this ?

Simple question

Simple answer would be appropriate (I.e answer the question, DON'T just rant and don't say stuff you can't support)

<puts hand to floor so can detect a cooling of surface that would indicate hell freezing over>

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#117438 Feb 15, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>SZ: I hate to be the one to break this to you, but you have no scientific evidence to back up molecules-to-man evolution. You have bedtime stories and propaganda... nothing more. Every one of your ridiculous pieces of "evidence" can be and has been logically refuted by intelligent, highly credentialed scientists. What you have are philosophical opinions. You have no science whatsoever.
And of course you have zero evidence for your skygod floaty thingy. All you have are philosophical opinions, and ALL of your evidence can be and HAS been logically refuted by Intelligent highly credentialed scientists.

You still haven't explained how EVERY scientific organization on EARTH supports evolution and Darwin.

Same ol' dilemma....

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#117439 Feb 15, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Not just evolutionary biology, ALL science.
According to you.
So again, since you feel this is the case, why continue to ask for evidence everyone knows you don't give a sh t about? After all, it's all just part of the evil worldwide atheist Darwinist evolutionist Liberal socialist Communist Nazi gayhomo anti-Christian God-hating, Satan-worshipping, baby-eating Jewish Illuminati conspiracy. Just like Jimbo says it is.
.
Just ignore the bit about Jimbo disappearing from here for 6 months due to him (quite seriously) not playing with a full sack.
I think you ought to trademark that phrase: "After all, it's all just part of the evil worldwide atheist Darwinist evolutionist Liberal socialist Communist Nazi gayhomo anti-Christian God-hating, Satan-worshipping, baby-eating Jewish Illuminati conspiracy."

Could I use it sometime???

:-)

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#117440 Feb 15, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you ought to trademark that phrase: "After all, it's all just part of the evil worldwide atheist Darwinist evolutionist Liberal socialist Communist Nazi gayhomo anti-Christian God-hating, Satan-worshipping, baby-eating Jewish Illuminati conspiracy."
Could I use it sometime???
:-)
Personally, I would have included 2 more disparaging characteristics:

* Birkenstock-wearin'

* Two sammich-eatin'

...just sayin.

“GOD ALMIGHTY”

Since: Aug 12

London, UK

#117441 Feb 15, 2013
Turkey guys ever bin i haven't

just finished dodecahedron project with N.A.S.A new pumpkin range of space projects.

quantum leaps like an absolute dream.

wanna join a test flight to mars colony? only guessing chums.

thought you would like to do the thing with me.

“GOD ALMIGHTY”

Since: Aug 12

London, UK

#117442 Feb 15, 2013
tight leather is cool.

but i think you would all look better in battle Hoff dress i'll be wearing my Darth Vader suit if you don't mind chumps.

I've just got my demonic wings full set can't wait to test flight those aye chums.

A'int that a right a now babe.

“GOD ALMIGHTY”

Since: Aug 12

London, UK

#117443 Feb 15, 2013
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WORKING ON SECOND CD RIGHT NOW thanks

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“GOD ALMIGHTY”

Since: Aug 12

London, UK

#117444 Feb 15, 2013
love all your moves babe

to debbie mary love from WARLOCK
HTS

Mandan, ND

#117445 Feb 15, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>
He's got more evidence for "molecule to man" than you have for "magic skydaddy exists".
Classic logical fallacy of the false alternative
HTS

Mandan, ND

#117446 Feb 15, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>
And of course you have zero evidence for your skygod floaty thingy. All you have are philosophical opinions, and ALL of your evidence can be and HAS been logically refuted by Intelligent highly credentialed scientists.
You still haven't explained how EVERY scientific organization on EARTH supports evolution and Darwin.
Same ol' dilemma....
You employ two fallacies in the above statement:
1. You attempt to prove evolution by arguing that God is more implausible.
2. You think that "consensus" is "science". Every scientific breakthrough in history began by challenging
consensus.
You don't have a leg to stand on.
Mugwump

Bradford, UK

#117447 Feb 15, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Classic logical fallacy of the false alternative
Nope, simply a case of going for the explaination that has the most supporting evidence - seems a rational way of conducting things don't you think?

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#117448 Feb 15, 2013
the dark lord wrote:
off limits in my spare time activated a wickedly fit clone of e that will rock it hard by the name of WARLOCK
WORKING ON SECOND CD RIGHT NOW thanks
first cd was WARLOCK BY WORLOCK
GET IT RIGHT HERE
by double clicking my topic profile picture
Did you hear about the guy who was arrested after his naked clone fell from a tall building while screaming obscenities?

He was charged with making an obscene clone fall.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#117449 Feb 15, 2013
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Classic logical fallacy of the false alternative
That's right "magic sky daddy" is a false alternative.
Mugwump

Bradford, UK

#117450 Feb 15, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you hear about the guy who was arrested after his naked clone fell from a tall building while screaming obscenities?
He was charged with making an obscene clone fall.
That is atrocious

<gets out notepad and pencil>
One way or another

United States

#117451 Feb 15, 2013
Encode is the largest single update to the data from the human genome since its final draft was published in 2003 and the first systematic attempt to work out what the DNA outside protein-coding genes does. The researchers found that it is far from useless: within these regions they have identified more than 10,000 new "genes" that code for components that control how the more familiar protein-coding genes work. Up to 18% of our DNA sequence is involved in regulating the less than 2% of the DNA that codes for proteins. In total, Encode scientists say, about 80% of the DNA sequence can be assigned some sort of biochemical function.

Scientists know that while most cells in our body contain our entire genetic code, not all of the protein-coding genes are active. A liver cell contains enzymes used to metabolise alcohol and other toxins, whereas hair cells make the protein keratin. Through some mechanism that regulates its genes, the hair cell knows it should make keratin rather than liver enzymes, and the liver cell knows it should make the liver enzymes and not the hair proteins.

"That control must have been somewhere in the genome, and we always knew that – for some individual genes – it was an element sometimes quite far away from the gene," said Birney. "But we didn't have a genome-wide view to this. So we set about working out how we could discover those elements."

The results of the five-year Encode project are published on Wednesday across 30 papers in the journals Nature, Science, Genome Biology and Genome Research. The researchers have mapped 4m switches in what was once thought to be junk DNA, many of which will help them better understand a range of common human diseases, from diabetes to heart disease, that depend on the complex interaction of hundreds of genes and their associated regulatory elements.

"Regulatory elements are the things that turn genes on and off," says Professor Mike Snyder of Stanford University, who was a principal investigator in the Encode consortium. "Much of the difference between people is due to the differences in the efficiency of these regulatory elements. There are more variants, we think, in the regulatory elements than in the genes themselves."

Genes cannot function without these regulatory elements. If regulation goes wrong, malfunctioning genes can cause diseases including cancer, atherosclerosis, type 2 diabetes, psoriasis and Crohn's disease. Errors in the regulation of a gene known as Sonic Hedgehog, for example, are thought to underlie some cases of human polydactyly in which individuals have extra toes or fingers.

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