Should evolution be taught in high school?

Feb 24, 2008 Full story: www.scientificblogging.com 175,466

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand." Full Story
Mugwump

Manchester, UK

#116699 Feb 10, 2013
Russell wrote:
More un-real scientists
Dr Peter Line
Peter Line’s undergraduate major was in biophysics. After that he completed a Masters Degree and a Ph.D., both in the area of neuroscience. He has had a keen interest in the creation/evolution issue ever since becoming a Christian, as evolution was a stumbling block to him believing God’s Word was true.
http://creation.com/mind-by-design-peter-line...
Articles
Australopithecus sediba revisited
‘Giants’ in the land: an assessment of Gigantopithecus and Meganthropus
New study claims Hobbit was a new species
Fossil evidence for alleged apemen—Part 1: the genus Homo
Fossil evidence for alleged apemen—Part 2: non-Homo hominids
Progressive creationist anthropology: many reasons NOT to believe (A review of Who was Adam? by Fazale Rana with Hugh Ross (2005))
Australopithecus sediba—no human ancestor
Gautengensis vs sediba: A battle for supremacy amongst ‘apeman’ contenders, but neither descended from Adam
He ain’t my brother: no apparent family ties between Big Man and Lucy
See also an interview with Dr Line in Creation magazine, Mind by Design.
Naturally, despite being employed by an Australian University....
Is a.....?
CREATION RACISM
Again you quote creation.com

Their religious beliefs aside - do you think they can be scientifically objective when they admit they will dismiss ALL EVIDENCE that contradicts the scripture without evaluating the evidence?

Simple question - would appreciate your thoughts
Mugwump

Manchester, UK

#116700 Feb 10, 2013
Russell wrote:
<quoted text>
Well done Mugwump.....otherwise.....
There's a risk...
Strong risk.....
I am trying...not...to
Because I too like good manners...
But sinful nature and all....
Mug....wimp...
No No No
I shouldn't have
Where's my whip for self flagellation?
Oh yes
I remember now..
I don't have one
Well I could say ...

Russ sells out any objectivity with respect to science due to his religious beliefs

But I wouldn't be that immature, obviously

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#116701 Feb 10, 2013
Russell wrote:
But John is quite obviously a stark raving lunatic since he is a creationist and believes God created in 6 normal length days
Don't you know that all conclusions depend on presuppositions?

“I am Sisyphus”

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#116702 Feb 10, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
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Must admit - I only know the 'basics' of physics as found it a bit dry (sorry) and concentrated on biology and chemistry up to degree level.
I say this not in an attempt at humility (though being British is hard to fight off the urge - and queuing - we are ALL about the queuing)
But to point out that I don't comment as I am not au fait enough with the subject.
Can you see the point I am making here ?

Something about biscuits and tea, right?

“I am Sisyphus”

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#116703 Feb 10, 2013
One way or another wrote:
<quoted text>
Geeze moron, einsteinium cosmological constant described a static universe. Since you're too stupid to understand, static has NO force moron.
Get a brain moron.

This would be hysterical if you were not serious.

Not that you will read this and certainly not that you would understand it if you did, but....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_con...

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#116704 Feb 10, 2013
One way or another wrote:
You morons were claiming that red shift proved an expanding universe. You morons change faster than the wind.

It does prove an expanding universe. But red shift is not something that needs to be proved. It is an observation of a Doppler shift toward the long (red) end of the spectrum due to motion away from the observer.

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#116705 Feb 10, 2013
One way or another wrote:
To all you morons with shit for brains, static is not static electricity. Lol

No, but static electricity is static.

Static electricity is so called because it is not in motion.

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#116706 Feb 10, 2013
One way or another wrote:
Yoo hoo, morons,-- static 1. pertaining to or characterized by a fixed or stationary condition.
2. showing little or no change: a static concept; a static relationship.
3. lacking movement, development, or vitality: The novel was marred by static characterizations, especially in its central figures.

We know what it means. It is you who seemed lost.

And definition #2 is the one that is applicable to the CC

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#116707 Feb 10, 2013
One way or another wrote:
Hey Evo morons, which scientist wrote the following on the web site,--http://universalium.aca demic.ru/97635/cosmological_co nstant
Astron.
a term introduced by Einstein into his field equations of general relativity to permit a stationary, nonexpanding universe: it has since been abandoned in most models of the universe. Cf. Einstein model.
[1925-30]
***
Term reluctantly added by Albert Einstein to his equations of general relativity in order to obtain a solution to the equations that described a static universe, as he believed it to be at the time.
The constant has the effect of a repulsive force that acts against the gravitational attraction of matter in the universe. When Einstein heard of the evidence that the universe is expanding, he called the introduction of the cosmological constant the "biggest blunder" of his life. Recent developments suggest that in the early universe there may well have been a cosmological constant with a nonzero value.
***
Which scientists confirmed this shit?

Google "dark energy"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy

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#116708 Feb 10, 2013
One way or another wrote:
I don't bother with the most deceitful idiots, but then all you Evo morons prove just how stupid you choose to be.

It is not our fault that you don't even try to understand.

That is on you, buddy.
Mugwump

Manchester, UK

#116709 Feb 10, 2013
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>
No, but static electricity is static.
Static electricity is so called because it is not in motion.
You do know that I threw that in for a joke?

But shows Jimbos selective responses to critisms

Read on MacDuff

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#116710 Feb 10, 2013
Russell wrote:
<quoted text>
Why would Creationism not be science?

Science is:
Observable (creationism isn't)
Testable (creationism isn't)
Makes predictions (creationism doesn't)
Is falsifiable.(creationism isn't)
Conforms to the principle of parsimony.(creationism doesn't)
Is self correcting (creationism isn't)
Can be adjusted to account for new data (creationism can't)
Repeatable (same for testable).

Science Process - from data (observation) to hypothesis to testing to theory

Creationism process - starts with belief then attempts to rationalize the data.
Russell wrote:
<quoted text> It was the Judeo-Christian world view that led to the scientific method and science today should thank ad acknowledge its Christian founders

Actually Christianity has shunned science from the start. Early scientists were lucky if they did not get burned at the stake.
Russell wrote:
<quoted text> According to Dr Sarfati---- science historians have pointed out that modern science FIRST flourished under a Christian world view

This is not true. Science was very strong in early Islamic culture.
Russell wrote:
<quoted text>
There are certain essential features, as per Dr Sarfati, that make science possible.

As Dr Sarafti gave up science for a cush little job were he did not have to produce science it is hard to take his musings seriously, especially since they are rife with inaccuracies.
Russell wrote:
<quoted text>
And not reply on man-made philosophies like the ancient Greek did
This is illustrated with Galileo Galilei 1564-1642. He showed by experiment that weights fall at the same speed, apart from air resistance....this refuted teh Greek philosophy the heavy objects fall faster.

Galileo was tried for heresy, censured, and forced to recant his science in order to avoid excommunication and possible execution by the Roman inquisition. He was placed under house arrest for the rest of his life.
Russell wrote:
<quoted text> is Johannes Kepler 1571-1630, who discovered that planets moved in ellipses around the sun.

For his discovery Kepler was excommunicated and his mother charged with witchcraft, sentenced and tortured till she was released on a technicality.

Newton, believed in the occult and wrote books on demonology

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#116711 Feb 10, 2013
Shubee wrote:
<quoted text>Don't you know that all conclusions depend on presuppositions?

That is your conclusion.

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#116712 Feb 10, 2013
Russell wrote:
More un-real scientists
Dr Peter Line
Peter Line’s undergraduate major was in biophysics. After that he completed a Masters Degree and a Ph.D., both in the area of neuroscience. He has had a keen interest in the creation/evolution issue ever since becoming a Christian, as evolution was a stumbling block to him believing God’s Word was true.
http://creation.com/mind-by-design-peter-line...
Articles
Australopithecus sediba revisited
‘Giants’ in the land: an assessment of Gigantopithecus and Meganthropus
New study claims Hobbit was a new species
Fossil evidence for alleged apemen—Part 1: the genus Homo
Fossil evidence for alleged apemen—Part 2: non-Homo hominids
Progressive creationist anthropology: many reasons NOT to believe (A review of Who was Adam? by Fazale Rana with Hugh Ross (2005))
Australopithecus sediba—no human ancestor
Gautengensis vs sediba: A battle for supremacy amongst ‘apeman’ contenders, but neither descended from Adam
He ain’t my brother: no apparent family ties between Big Man and Lucy
See also an interview with Dr Line in Creation magazine, Mind by Design.
Naturally, despite being employed by an Australian University....
Is a.....?
CREATION RACISM

None of the above crap was published in peer review journals. I wonder why. okay, I really know why so I don't have to wonder.

“I am Sisyphus”

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#116713 Feb 10, 2013
Russell wrote:
Another un-real scientist
Dr John Hartnett
Physics, Cosmology (Australia)
Biography
John G. Hartnett received both his B.Sc.(hons) and his Ph.D. with distinction from the Department of Physics at the University of Western Australia (UWA). He works with the Frequency Standards and Metrology research group, holding the rank of tenured Research Professor (the equivalent of Reader in the UK, would be Full Professor in the USA). See John’s university web page.
John’s research interests include the development of ultra-stable cryogenically cooled microwave oscillators based on a sapphire crystal, ultra low-noise radar, tests of fundamental theories of physics such as Special and General Relativity and measurement of drift in fundamental constants and their cosmological implications.
John has a keen interest in cosmology and how it applies to the creationist world-view. He is also developing new physics that has established that there is no need to assume the existence of dark matter in the universe. He has published more than 150 papers in scientific journals.
Awards
Dr Hartnett was announced as the winner of the 2010 W.G. Cady award by IEEE Ultrasonics, Ferroelectrics and Frequency Control Society.
The W.G. Cady Award recognizes outstanding contributions in the fields of piezoelectric or other classical frequency control, selection and measurement and resonant sensor devices.
The citation reads:“for the construction of ultra-stable cryogenic sapphire dielectric resonator oscillators and promotion of their applications in the fields of frequency metrology and radio-astronomy.”
The award was presented during the 2010 IEEE International Frequency Control Symposium at Newport Beach, California in June.
I met him last month and he said he is moving to Adelaide
How ironic that he may be occupying the same chair at Adelaide University as Paul Davies....
Ha ha ha
But John is quite obviously a stark raving lunatic since he is a creationist and believes God created in 6 normal length days

Another one who belief in creationism is completely unrelated to the area he actually works in.

That is the way most of them are.

There are actually several hundred PhD creationists (world wide0.
There are about 2 MILLION PhDs world wide.

you do the math.

There are over a million scientists in biology alone in the U.S.

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#116714 Feb 10, 2013
Russell wrote:
How about another un-real scientist?
And trust me there are many...
Ann Gauger
is a senior research scientist at Biologic Institute. Her work uses molecular genetics and genomic engineering to study the origin, organization and operation of metabolic pathways. She received a BS in biology from MIT, and a PhD in developmental biology from the University of Washington, where she studied cell adhesion molecules involved in Drosophila embryogenesis. As a post-doctoral fellow at Harvard she cloned and characterized the Drosophila kinesin light chain. Her research has been published in Nature, Development, and the Journal of Biological Chemistry.
Totally un-real since she believes there is evidence of design in nature
CREATION/DESIGN RACISM
By the way, it was Dr Gauger's framework that I used heavily in my posts about HLA-DRB1
http://www.amazon.com/Science-Human-Origins-A...
But there are on-line versions of this book

There are more scientists name Steve than there are scientists who are creationist.
One way or another

United States

#116715 Feb 10, 2013
Poor little Evo children, brainwashed in the blood of creationism. They don't even recognize that they have become what they hate so much. The devil works in mysterious ways Evo morons.
One way or another

United States

#116716 Feb 10, 2013
Watch out, that Evo moron is blowing a gasket.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#116717 Feb 10, 2013
Russell, you are still being an idiot. I already told you I wanted peer reviewed science in the topic of creationism that your scientists have done.

A doctor may be a brilliant brain surgeon and a terrible podiatrist. If a brain surgeon told a podiatrist what he was doing wrong with his patients feet do you think he would be listened to?

What creation "scientists" try to do is far worse.

So you can be a competent electrical engineer and a terrible geologist. Or an able information specialist and an idiotic biologist. Creatard scientists let their success go to their heads and ignore the experts in other fields at their own peril when they try to work in those fields.
One way or another

United States

#116718 Feb 10, 2013
Gosh, the Evo morons want peer reviewed BS for money. Now you should know better. You know evolutionists can't stand on their own two feet and argue for themselves, just look what they do here, learning from the fully corrupt scientists for money.

Now be nice, they were taught to believe whatever BS they are given. You know they can't think for themselves.

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