Should evolution be taught in high school?

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Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand." Full Story
Mugwump

Bradford, UK

#114258 Jan 12, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
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I imagine his ex-wives said the same thing.
Sad but true.

The problem is , if he would just respond to people's points he may actually learn something.

I was looking at some of his posts from last year (had bookmarked the 23rd of jan for posterity ) and he has definitely got worse.

Shame really - but nothing we can do

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#114259 Jan 12, 2013
Drew Smith wrote:
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I imagine his ex-wives said the same thing.
There were women crazy enough to marry that whack job?

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#114260 Jan 12, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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There were women crazy enough to marry that whack job?
Then again, it could by WHY he's nuts.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#114261 Jan 12, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
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There were women crazy enough to marry that whack job?
Unknown but he does have a daughter.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#114262 Jan 12, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Then again, it could by WHY he's nuts.
Having been married twice, I will concede it is a distinct possibility.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#114263 Jan 12, 2013
Ooogah Boogah wrote:
There were women crazy enough to marry that whack job?
At least 3.

Hard to believe, isn't it?

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#114264 Jan 12, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
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Or why one would go to such lengths?
Surely two guys (or gals - am all about equal opportunities) with a torch, a tape measure and a stopwatch should suffice surely?
And the problem with jimbos idea is that he has forgot that (according to him) atomic clocks get messed up in space due to the 'workings' getting damaged by the pressure exerted by acceleration - sure he thinks its just a grandfather clock strapped onto a shuttle.
But good luck with getting a direct response from looney tunes - I have pretty much given up on him
I don't expect a response. Jim "Loony Tunes" Ryan will ignore my challenge, get drunk and spam the shit out of us as usual.

Hey, Jimbo! You don't have either the intelligence, education or balls to answer me, do you?
One way or another

United States

#114267 Jan 12, 2013
Moons reflectors bogus

Original work
By Jim Ryan
Supported by evidence

So, the moons reflectors are 239,000 miles from earth, approximately and since the speed of light is 186,000 miles per second, y'all must think that laser beam will get back to earth pretty fast. Actually, the light should return to earth from the moons reflectors in 1.3 seconds, with the reflectors designed to reflect the light back to the point it came from.

However, in the 1.3 seconds the light takes to return to its origin, the earth has moved approx 4,000 miles from the point source of light, according to sciences claim that our galaxy is traveling that fast in 1 second, making it impossible for science to capture any photons, at least according to science.

Science sure is messed up, thinking it can collect photons that are 4,000 miles behind the collector.

At least they depend on all of us being stupid enough to believe them. Well, at least y'all.

Our galaxy is traveling at
Mugwump

Bradford, UK

#114268 Jan 12, 2013
Can anyone imagine a world where science worked like jimbo thinks it does?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#114269 Jan 12, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
Can anyone imagine a world where science worked like jimbo thinks it does?
The world wouldn't work.
Mugwump

Bradford, UK

#114270 Jan 12, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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The world wouldn't work.
Actually, the world would work, it science's explaination of it that wouldn't - and this is jimbos problem , if he isn't even willing to discuss his hypothesis how can his justify it.

As I say, it is actually quite sad - he is a lost cause

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#114271 Jan 12, 2013
Mugwump wrote:
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Actually, the world would work, it science's explaination of it that wouldn't - and this is jimbos problem , if he isn't even willing to discuss his hypothesis how can his justify it.
As I say, it is actually quite sad - he is a lost cause
I should have phrased it different:

The modern world wouldn't exist. ;)

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#114272 Jan 12, 2013
appleboy wrote:
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You are a professional and I am by no stretch of imagination qualified to make a professional judgment as to anyone's psychological makeup.
That said, I'm pretty sure that most people would have some area of their thinking that could be considered to be psychopathological. The driver who thinks he is specially gifted to be able to handle texting while driving might also be considered to have a Delusional Disorder. The workplace manager who does not tolerate any question of his decisions and opinions, whether it is about work or weather or politics could also be considered to have a Delusional Disorder. Quite a long list of ordinary delusions could be drawn up. In other words, the bar for pathology can be set very low. A wide spectrum of people could fit in nicely for needing therapy in some area of their life.
OK, I'd grant that Jim is probably on the high end on anyone's graph of normal delusions, but I would contend that his anger far outweighs his delusional problems.

It is a chicken v egg issue. The anger and the paranoid delusional ideation feed each other. It is estimated and widely accepted that about 40% of the population suffers from a diagnosable mental illness at some point in their life. Anxiety disorders head these up, followed by depression.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#114273 Jan 12, 2013
One way or another wrote:
Moons reflectors bogus
Original work
By Jim Ryan
Supported by evidence
So, the moons reflectors are 239,000 miles from earth, approximately and since the speed of light is 186,000 miles per second, y'all must think that laser beam will get back to earth pretty fast. Actually, the light should return to earth from the moons reflectors in 1.3 seconds, with the reflectors designed to reflect the light back to the point it came from.
However, in the 1.3 seconds the light takes to return to its origin, the earth has moved approx 4,000 miles from the point source of light, according to sciences claim that our galaxy is traveling that fast in 1 second, making it impossible for science to capture any photons, at least according to science.
Science sure is messed up, thinking it can collect photons that are 4,000 miles behind the collector.
At least they depend on all of us being stupid enough to believe them. Well, at least y'all.
Our galaxy is traveling at

How many times have I refuted this now? If you can't do basic math you can't do science.
One way or another

United States

#114274 Jan 12, 2013
I let my work speak for itself.

Test/ speed of light theory

More new science by Jim Ryan

If science really wanted to test speed of light theory, science could add a simple laser light to any of its probes and when the probe got say a million miles away from earth, it could send its laser light back to earth, one aimed at American collectors one at Russian collectors and one at another countries collectors, unless science is afraid to know the truth.
How is it that not one scientist in the whole world thought of such already? Are they all morons or does science just not want to know?
Mugwump

Bradford, UK

#114275 Jan 12, 2013
One way or another wrote:
I let my work speak for itself.
Unfortunately science expects any new hypothesis to be able to be challenged and its proponents to be able to defend it against criticisms.

Yours does not - hence it is worthless and just spam - if you can't support it against arguments why bother?

Since: Mar 12

Dubai, UAE

#114276 Jan 13, 2013
One way or another wrote:
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I don't believe in natural selection.
Reading some of your posts, I have a hard time believing in it too.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#114277 Jan 13, 2013
One way or another wrote:
I let my work speak for itself.
Test/ speed of light theory
More new science by Jim Ryan
If science really wanted to test speed of light theory, science could add a simple laser light to any of its probes and when the probe got say a million miles away from earth, it could send its laser light back to earth, one aimed at American collectors one at Russian collectors and one at another countries collectors, unless science is afraid to know the truth.
How is it that not one scientist in the whole world thought of such already? Are they all morons or does science just not want to know?
Your work says a lot about how ignorant and uneducated you are.
One way or another

United States

#114278 Jan 13, 2013
Immunology

More original science by Jim Ryan

In the following I would suggest that science study children that rarely wear shoes or don't wear shoes at all. I would divide the study into different nations or groups of nations with basically, the same diseases.

I would divide the shoeless-- because of intense poverty, from the people and children that choose to go shoeless and those that rarely or almost never go without shoes.

I might look at the data as the mostly shoeless by desire as mentally and possibly physically, stronger and therefore, more resistant to disease, unless science finds differently.

Logic
One way or another

United States

#114279 Jan 13, 2013
Just science

Light does not travel here from distant galaxies.

Original work
By Jim Ryan
Supported by evidence

It is simply that we can see that light through our telescopes.

The moons retroflectors prove how quickly light disperses in just 239,000 miles and back. There are so many billions of planets, so much space dust, so much mass ejections of plasma from suns, so much in cosmic rays, gas clouds and the interference is just endless.

Science has a way to test light theory, but obviously, it doesn't, for a reason.

There is a defining factor in proving light from distant universes does not reach here. Can any of you figure out what it is?

If light cannot escape a black hole, what force stops the light?

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