Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 180279 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#113324 Jan 3, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Agreed.
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Kong, we have no interest in teaching religion in public schools. I have subscribed and have been a member of several local, national, and international creation science organizations and this is not even an agenda item.(There still may be a small few that are passionate about it but it is not pursued as such in the larger organizations such as CRS, AIG, ICR, etc. We would however, like to see a more balanced approach taught with regards to evolution. It seems you people just have it out for Christians for some reasons as if for sport or fueled hatred/bigotry. Why do you hate us so much? What have we done to offend you? Does love and charity offend you? I am not a religious person as I don't go to church. But I believe the Bible and Jesus Christ as my creator and savior. Obviously if I believe in creation and intelligent design I would have to believe someone was behind it and I happen to be convinced by the evidence that it is God. It doesn't bother me if you don't believe and I will not try to convince you. Do I ever try and push it on you? No. You need to look inward at yourself and ask yourself why you have this axe to grind. Why you feel the need - the passion that drives you - to insult, belittle, ostrisize, condemn Christians just for what they believe. That's pure bigotry.
To assert that anything has a creator, first you must establish this creator actually exists. I'll wait ....

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#113325 Jan 3, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
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Yes, the first one is a wild idea. Fortunately or theories of evolution and for that matter cosmology do not depend on that assumption. "We don't know" is the correct answer - whether the universe came from nothing, whether its the only universe, whether the concept of "before the big bang" is even meaningful.
Life from non-life? Either its physically possible or its not. Nothing wild about that. We either find a naturally plausible pathway or we don't.
Microbes turning into men? That is a wild idea! But this one is supported by mountains of evidence, so like some other wild ideas - relativity and wave/particle duality, its not a crazy one, just one that your intuition has a problem with.
Or infinitely complex and powerful creators popping out of nothing for no reason.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#113326 Jan 3, 2013
obesity wrote:
Someone please post solid evidence that something came from nothing. Someone please post complete solid evidence ( no holes ) of evolution including all the missing links which must have been discovered and I just haven't heard about it yet. Kitten, I think you could be the one to answer these questions or post links to answer them...by the way certain species could have been " engineered "by a greater life form..we do it to life, why couldn't it have been done to us?
Well according to you, your infinitely complex and powerful god popped out of nothing for no good reason.

Now what?

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

nowhere near a pound of $100's

#113327 Jan 3, 2013
obesity wrote:
.....I will always wonder why we are more complex and different than all other animals..what's the point?
You should wonder, because we are and we aren't. We are different like every other species. But we are not the most complex.

From: http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-02...

A microscopic, see-through water flea is the most complex creature ever studied, genomically speaking. Daphnia pulex is the first crustacean to ever have its genome sequenced, and it turns out it has about 31,000 genes — 25 percent more than we humans.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#113328 Jan 3, 2013
obesity wrote:
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Read what I posted again in relation to the animal thing. Intelligence is not a bad thing except when it's concentrated to much in one area and causes the person to be totally inadequate in other areas. Do you have a real job? One where u have to actually use your brain, not serving coffee. I went to college for awhile and realized i was wasting time listening to professors that can memorize things from a book, but had no mind of their own. I could be spending that time opening my own business. I did just that and actually make good money, employ people and pay a lot of taxes. If you are unemployed I would hire you in a second. I know you would be able to do what I do, only better, since you are naturally scientific which would make you mechanically inclined.
I order to learn the whole of what the scientific method has given us, a person would have to live more than 10 lifetimes. That's 1,000 years in case you failed math as well, and a lifespan averages nearly 100 now only because of those who specialize in certain medical sciences.

In other words, as Kong said, you,d be amazed at what we do know.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#113329 Jan 3, 2013
obesity wrote:
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If that was the case you'd be out turning male heads instead of being here on topics.
You make so many assumptions with this. You assume she's straight, she's not married, and that she wants a male.

I turn heads too, male and female ... I'm asexual, their attraction to me is meaningless, unless they have something to offer in intelligence or a commercial product/service, I have no interest in even knowing they exist.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#113330 Jan 3, 2013
obesity wrote:
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Did I ever say anything about god? Don't assume I believe in god. Science just can't very many questions..I will check out your link, but I'm sure it's the same bs like all the other links I've read on this thread...if not ALL I ask can be provided that must mean science has holes and many unanswered questions.
As far as wet dreams go..the naughty librarian turns me on, but that's as far as nerdiness goes for me...I'm sure you have turned many geeks heads in your life.
You try to fill in the holes of knowledge with a made up assertion, we just say we don't know. That inherently makes you a liar, and us far more honest.

Since: Aug 07

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#113331 Jan 3, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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You rely on good old christian guesswork where facts are more beneficial and don’t make you look so stupid
FYI, I’m 42, 128 lbs and I still turn male heads with longing looks, I bet you can’t say the same, or can you?
What you want me too call you? Butt breath? Drippydick? If I were you I’d be happy to settle for honey or you can of course just butt out with you tail between your legs like any decent pussywhipped christian should.
They are turning their heads because they're frightened.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

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#113332 Jan 3, 2013
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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They are turning their heads because they're frightened.
Heh!!!.... "Macroevolution never happened" .... In your particular case, that might well be true!
obesity

Rancho Cordova, CA

#113333 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>I order to learn the whole of what the scientific method has given us, a person would have to live more than 10 lifetimes. That's 1,000 years in case you failed math as well, and a lifespan averages nearly 100 now only because of those who specialize in certain medical sciences.

In other words, as Kong said, you,d be amazed at what we do know.
The last class I would ever fail is math..I actually have to use it everyday in order to make money and pay taxes, you on the other hand have all this knowledge yet don't hold a job or make any contribution to society..like I said earlier people like u will die first when the crap hits the fan..your huge amount of knowledge in one area won't be able to save you..pretty sad .. I'm not amazed at what we know because in the grand scheme of things it is so little. With how "advanced" we are, the smartest scientist can't even find the missing link because they are actually closed minded..it could be right under our noses.

“There is no Truth in Faith”

Since: Dec 08

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#113334 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
.... I'm asexual, their attraction to me is meaningless, unless they have something to offer in intelligence or a commercial product/service, I have no interest in even knowing they exist.
Ach!! Me poor lonesome Willie!!
obesity

Rancho Cordova, CA

#113335 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>I order to learn the whole of what the scientific method has given us, a person would have to live more than 10 lifetimes. That's 1,000 years in case you failed math as well, and a lifespan averages nearly 100 now only because of those who specialize in certain medical sciences.

In other words, as Kong said, you,d be amazed at what we do know.

And by saying failed math AS WELL you are assuming I've failed classes..I've never failed a single class..you might be surprised to find out I even passed my college chem course with a B- which is good for me
obesity

Rancho Cordova, CA

#113336 Jan 3, 2013
Kitten, try getting laid..it does a body good, but of course someone with your intelligence would already know that..and loose the purple lipstick, it makes you look like Marilyn Manson

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#113337 Jan 3, 2013
obesity wrote:
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The last class I would ever fail is math..I actually have to use it everyday in order to make money and pay taxes, you on the other hand have all this knowledge yet don't hold a job or make any contribution to society..like I said earlier people like u will die first when the crap hits the fan..your huge amount of knowledge in one area won't be able to save you..pretty sad .. I'm not amazed at what we know because in the grand scheme of things it is so little. With how "advanced" we are, the smartest scientist can't even find the missing link because they are actually closed minded..it could be right under our noses.
So many assertions yet you lack evidence of all of them. How do you "know" I don't have a job? Don't you ever wonder what the people who make it possible for you to use a computer do when we're working out a code problem? Well, hi. I have a huge amount of knowledge in an area that is in very high demand, actually. But you are professing to have a lot of knowledge in multiple areas, that would mean you are older than 100 years, because as I said, in order for anyone to study everything, you'd have to live a minimum of 10 lifetimes.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#113338 Jan 3, 2013
obesity wrote:
Kitten, try getting laid..it does a body good, but of course someone with your intelligence would already know that..and loose the purple lipstick, it makes you look like Marilyn Manson
First, why would I care about sex? I have no physical or mental desires or need for it. Secondly, I do like Marylin, I often wish I was him, it's why I tried to be male at one time, I idolized him when I was younger, now I just look up to him. Sad that you disapprove of people being unique, your life must suck if you care that much.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#113339 Jan 3, 2013
obesity wrote:
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And by saying failed math AS WELL you are assuming I've failed classes..I've never failed a single class..you might be surprised to find out I even passed my college chem course with a B- which is good for me
B-? Meh. I studied in highschool "chem" what you studied in college, if you made it at least 4 years of chemistry. My highschool teacher saw my spark of interest in the subject and nurtured that curiosity, as he loved students who actually liked the subject. Chemistry was pretty simple to me, for some reason I just understood it almost as much as I understand technology, all machines actually. My father nurtured my love of technology as well, by introducing me to the combustion engine when I was but a child.

You want to turn this into a pissing contest, I may do that sitting, but you will still lose.
obesity

Rancho Cordova, CA

#113340 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You try to fill in the holes of knowledge with a made up assertion, we just say we don't know. That inherently makes you a liar, and us far more honest.
nope, im open to all ideas and i dont fill in holes..i say "what if." as far as i know our entire universe could simply be a booger in a giant beings nose and that giant beings universe may be a dandruff flake on another giants beings head..you cant say that it is or isnt true..you can just assume that it is not and say that its scientific truth. i do find it very arrogant for humans to believe they are the only life form out there.
obesity

Rancho Cordova, CA

#113341 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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First, why would I care about sex? I have no physical or mental desires or need for it. Secondly, I do like Marylin, I often wish I was him, it's why I tried to be male at one time, I idolized him when I was younger, now I just look up to him. Sad that you disapprove of people being unique, your life must suck if you care that much.
LOL..i cant believe I actually nailed that. If you idolize marylin then you are younger than i thought, which explains a lot.
obesity

Rancho Cordova, CA

#113342 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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B-? Meh. I studied in highschool "chem" what you studied in college, if you made it at least 4 years of chemistry. My highschool teacher saw my spark of interest in the subject and nurtured that curiosity, as he loved students who actually liked the subject. Chemistry was pretty simple to me, for some reason I just understood it almost as much as I understand technology, all machines actually. My father nurtured my love of technology as well, by introducing me to the combustion engine when I was but a child.
You want to turn this into a pissing contest, I may do that sitting, but you will still lose.
like I said..getting a b- in college chem was good for ME..you do have a little problem with comprehension...understanding machines isnt that complicated...i ve worked with machinery since i was 16 ( i actually got paid for it). while you excel in a few areas, you are totally ignorant in other important areas. even though you are asexual, you should still try it once..let your hair down, you dont want to be a spinster

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#113343 Jan 3, 2013
obesity wrote:
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LOL..i cant believe I actually nailed that. If you idolize marylin then you are younger than i thought, which explains a lot.
I'm 38.

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