Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 180392 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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“I am Sisyphus”

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#111578 Dec 9, 2012
defender wrote:
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Thanks I was getting bored... I really do enjoy debating with you guys and have a deep respect for your intellect... Now back to the fight!!!.... I have no problem with the Theory of Evolution being taught its the religion of Evolution meant to destroy faith and belittle people that I feel should be done away with... As Sgt. Friday would say "Just the facts Ma'am"

I am shocked to say this, but I think I agree. Evolution is a scientific theory and should never be taught as opposed to faith. But I don't think that happens much. Can't say never, however.

You would think the endorsement of high profile ministers would have ended the fight over the fact of evolution. Nothing in science refutes god.
Psychology

United States

#111579 Dec 9, 2012
defender wrote:
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Dude I've been reading your debate and these guys have ripped your theory to shreds... Now I don't agree with most on this forum but that doesn't mean they are stupid... Crazy maybe... But not stupid... Nothing wrong with showing respect even if you don't agree..
Then show me, because I don't see it. You do it, with your words.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#111580 Dec 9, 2012
Psychology wrote:
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So tell us how newton would explain the theory of gravity. I'm hoping he wasn't that stupid.

Newton identified the mechanism(s) of gravity. His was the one of the most elegant formulas in all of the history of science. But he did not expound a theory of gravity in the same way that it was addressed by Einstein and others. Hence Newton's 'Law of Gravity', not "theory of gravity".

F = G((m1*m2)/r^2)

F is the force between the masses,
G is the gravitational constant,
m1 is the first mass,
m2 is the second mass, and
r is the distance between the centers of the masses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_law_o...

that is exactly how he DID explain it.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#111581 Dec 9, 2012
Psychology wrote:
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Oh, so you didn't hear? I only used spin as a springboard for other thoughts. I'v solved gravity, here it is, although I know it will be waaay over your head poopsie, here it is.
Look to the space junk that NASA wants to possibly incinerate in space. It must be in a high orbit not to fall back to earth. That suggests that gravity is  keeping it there, unlike space junk that is in lower orbits. There are two forces in gravity, one is attraction and one is repulsion. I will explain. The planets must sit in the suns high orbits, considering their mass, keeping them from falling into the sun, just as the space junk does not fall back to earth from its high orbit around the earth. 
The same applies to all planets orbiting suns , with respect to their mass  as the rocky worlds  settled into their orbits, while the much lighter planets settled further out, because they don't need as much gravity to hold their places. The suns repulsion gets stronger the closer a planet gets to it. That's why the planets with more mass get closer to the sun.
Looking at mercury, for it's size and mass, it fits my hypothesis.
Venus fits, it is 10% smaller than earth.
Earth fits correctly.
Mars is one sixth the mass. While its diameter is half of earths., so that fits. 
Jupiter's diameter is over ten times greater than the Earth's, but
It has over 300 times the mass. 
The question becomes, does circumference trump mass in my gravities repulsion theory. Looking at the gas giants, I'd say yes, but I have more to consider.
Saturn's diameter is about nine times greater than the Earth's
It has 95 times the mass, which means it falls in place behind Jupiter, correctly.
Uranus' diameter is four times that of the Earth's and
It has 15 times the mass.
That falls in line with my theory
Neptune's diameter is slightly less than four times that of the Earth's
It has 17 times the mass.
Neptune seems out of place and I don't know why
Pluto's diameter less than 20 percent that of the Earth's (smaller than the Earth's Moon) 
It has less than one percent the mass.
That falls in line with my hypothesis.
Hypothesis by ,--
Jim Ryan 

Repeating the same nonsense over and over does not make it true.

Proof: Have you ever been right about anything?
Psychology

United States

#111582 Dec 9, 2012
defender wrote:
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Dude I've been reading your debate and these guys have ripped your theory to shreds... Now I don't agree with most on this forum but that doesn't mean they are stupid... Crazy maybe... But not stupid... Nothing wrong with showing respect even if you don't agree..
If you don't need them to do your thinking for you, then it should be easy for you to counter my new gravity theory, right?
defender

Tucker, GA

#111583 Dec 9, 2012
Dogen wrote:
<quoted text>I am shocked to say this, but I think I agree. Evolution is a scientific theory and should never be taught as opposed to faith. But I don't think that happens much. Can't say never, however.

You would think the endorsement of high profile ministers would have ended the fight over the fact of evolution. Nothing in science refutes god.
Lol.. Who listens to high profile ministers without clutching their wallets these days? Christianity is a broken money racket far removed from the teachings of Christ... And would be the first ready to crucify him again upon his return...

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#111584 Dec 9, 2012
defender wrote:
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Yet most species benefit more from the loss of information... Quite gripping don't you think?... And yes information is required for systems to work, reproduce and mutate... Yes people can make a computer but the computer cannot create programs on it's own or adapt to viruses previously unknown to it's programing its only defense is to shut itself down... Not so in the biochemical world, DNA can identify, copy and produce defenses... From natural selection and random variation?... Don't think so...
What do you mean "the loss of information"? It has been shown how the various ways that mutation occur that there is either an adding or changing of the genome. And calling the genome "information" is not totally correct. It is more of a recipe of how to put proteins together. Mutations are merely changes in the recipe. Of course that is a very simplistic way of looking at it, but still more correct than to call it "information".

I think you misunderstood my computer reference. Computer programs can mimic populations under going evolution using Natural Selection and Random Mutation. It had nothing to do with computer viruses.

Are you still denying the fact that there are literally tons of scientific evidence that support the theory of evolution and none that support creationism? Or do we have to go through what scientific evidence is again?

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#111588 Dec 9, 2012
defender wrote:
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Lol.. Who listens to high profile ministers without clutching their wallets these days? Christianity is a broken money racket far removed from the teachings of Christ... And would be the first ready to crucify him again upon his return...

Amen!

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#111591 Dec 9, 2012
defender wrote:
Why not God? Or alien technology?
Evidence for the existence of a "god" or of aliens?(And if aliens, who made the aliens?)
defender

Tucker, GA

#111592 Dec 9, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>What do you mean "the loss of information"? It has been shown how the various ways that mutation occur that there is either an adding or changing of the genome. And calling the genome "information" is not totally correct. It is more of a recipe of how to put proteins together. Mutations are merely changes in the recipe. Of course that is a very simplistic way of looking at it, but still more correct than to call it "information".

I think you misunderstood my computer reference. Computer programs can mimic populations under going evolution using Natural Selection and Random Mutation. It had nothing to do with computer viruses.

Are you still denying the fact that there are literally tons of scientific evidence that support the theory of evolution and none that support creationism? Or do we have to go through what scientific evidence is again?
The loss of information or deleted information has shown to be beneficial to spices in many cases... How do you not know that?... And you cannot have a recipe without information (common since)... Tons of evidence? You never gave me one shred... And finally I'm stating the if natural selection occurs for the benefit of spices it must have been designed... Working systems do not work without intelligent design... And thats not even getting into dependency of other life to survive... And yes I understand you computer reference... What about thousands of generations of e coli and bacteria grown in labs never showing any observable evolution... Despite all the mutation it all dies the same spices it was...
One way or another

United States

#111593 Dec 9, 2012
defender wrote:
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Lol.. Who listens to high profile ministers without clutching their wallets these days? Christianity is a broken money racket far removed from the teachings of Christ... And would be the first ready to crucify him again upon his return...
Heu boy, even the morons on this site were right about you. You run your mouth and then run away.
One way or another

United States

#111594 Dec 9, 2012
defender wrote:
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The loss of information or deleted information has shown to be beneficial to spices in many cases... How do you not know that?... And you cannot have a recipe without information (common since)... Tons of evidence? You never gave me one shred... And finally I'm stating the if natural selection occurs for the benefit of spices it must have been designed... Working systems do not work without intelligent design... And thats not even getting into dependency of other life to survive... And yes I understand you computer reference... What about thousands of generations of e coli and bacteria grown in labs never showing any observable evolution... Despite all the mutation it all dies the same spices it was...
If anyone needs to hide behind the clique, it's you boy, you are completely unarmed.
defender

Tucker, GA

#111595 Dec 9, 2012
One way or another wrote:
<quoted text>Heu boy, even the morons on this site were right about you. You run your mouth and then run away.
Got anything with any substance bud?...
defender

Tucker, GA

#111596 Dec 9, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
<quoted text>Evidence for the existence of a "god" or of aliens?(And if aliens, who made the aliens?)
Evidence for life arising from chemical soup?... Lab experiments? Anything?

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#111597 Dec 9, 2012
defender wrote:
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The loss of information or deleted information has shown to be beneficial to spices in many cases... How do you not know that?... And you cannot have a recipe without information (common since)... Tons of evidence? You never gave me one shred... And finally I'm stating the if natural selection occurs for the benefit of spices it must have been designed... Working systems do not work without intelligent design... And thats not even getting into dependency of other life to survive... And yes I understand you computer reference... What about thousands of generations of e coli and bacteria grown in labs never showing any observable evolution... Despite all the mutation it all dies the same spices it was...
Let's talk about evidence first. You have shown that you do not understand what evidence is. Scientists are a contentious lot and they know this. There will always be some idiot, like you, that denies obvious evidence. So they came up with a definition of evidence to make it impossible for deniers to make their claims. Scientific evidence is any observed facts or data that support or oppose a scientific theory or hypothesis. That is the definition of scientific evidence. If you don't trust me look it up for yourself. That means, since the fossil record agrees with the theory of evolution, it is evidence that supports the theory of evolution. Since the observed hierarchy of life agrees with the theory of evolution it supports the theory of evolution. Since modern genetics agrees with the theory of evolution it supports the theory of evolution. All of these are by definition evidence that support the theory of evolution. This is not MY definition it is SCIENCE's definition.

So I have shown that there are mountains of evidence that support the theory of evolution. Now, on the flip side. There is no scientific evidence that supports creationism. And that is not the fault of evolutionists. That is the fault of creationists who will not develop a working hypothesis of creation. We don't need to know all of the details of how creation was done to generate a hypothesis, all it has to do is to explain why we observe what we observe. And creationists are too afraid to do that since if they developed a hypothesis it could be tested by science. So, no scientific evidence for creation, by definition.

And what do you mean thousands of generations of E. coli in the lab and no evolution? Are you kidding me? You have not heard of the experiment where E. coli evolved so that it could digest citrate. An ability that it normally does not have.
One way or another

United States

#111598 Dec 9, 2012
defender wrote:
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Got anything with any substance bud?...
Dont cry nub, just go hide behind the clique, because you are wrong most everytime and it's obvious you like it that way. I don't need to go back and retrieve your stupidity and how I proved you wrong, because you're going to make yourself out to be the idiot you choose to be.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#111599 Dec 9, 2012
defender wrote:
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Evidence for life arising from chemical soup?... Lab experiments? Anything?
Please don't conflate evolution and abiogenesis. You have to learn the difference between the two.
Mugwump

Manchester, UK

#111600 Dec 9, 2012
I suspect Jimbo has mutated into yet another alter ego - I say mutated, not evolved.

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#111601 Dec 9, 2012
defender wrote:
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Got anything with any substance bud?...

That is just Psycho having a hissy fit?

Remember, he is psycho.
Mugwump

Manchester, UK

#111602 Dec 9, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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That is just Psycho having a hissy fit?
Remember, he is psycho.
The irony being he periodically accuses others of using multiple IDs and to my knowledge he is the only one to do it, and even posted under others user names to add to his dishonesty.

It's a shame, for about a week he seemed to actually want to engage in discussion, but he has resorted to his normal approach I guess.

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