Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 179300 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#95386 Jun 28, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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You would have made a good detective or investigator.
Thanks but that one wasn't very hard.

Since: Aug 07

United States

#95387 Jun 28, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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A Theory is the essence and pinnacle of the scientific method. To separate them is to commit vivasection.
Hey Dogen, ever had a course in biology or chemistry? Geology? Astronomy?

Since: Aug 07

United States

#95388 Jun 28, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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Thanks but that one wasn't very hard.
Hey Mike, why don't you join DL and me on this Biology CLEP exam? It'll be fun! And we can all say we've got 6 credit hours in college biology! What do you say?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#95389 Jun 28, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
If you are going critique from a young earth creation perspective you need to remain consistent.
KABBOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMM!!!!

Yup, that was the industrial strength irony meter.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#95390 Jun 28, 2012
CAN_PsychStudent wrote:
I would hope we don't need to teach students how to use a debit card.
Indeed, that should be the LAST thing that should happen.

"Hey daddy, I just bought a HORSE!"

:-/
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#95391 Jun 28, 2012
Science cat wrote:
Oh boy, the morons are agreeing with themselves under different names, again and again, ad nausium.
Ah shaddap Jimbo.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#95392 Jun 28, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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You would have made a good detective or investigator.
Are you saying you're the only one here who *didn't* recognize Jimbo?

Since: Aug 07

Alto, GA

#95393 Jun 28, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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Are you saying you're the only one here who *didn't* recognize Jimbo?
Hey Dude, have you had any college biology?
Mugwump

Manchester, UK

#95394 Jun 28, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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Are you saying you're the only one here who *didn't* recognize Jimbo?
Actually I wasn't sure either - was waiting for some nonsense about how the universe is powered by a central gyroscope or something

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#95395 Jun 28, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Hey Mike, why don't you join DL and me on this Biology CLEP exam? It'll be fun! And we can all say we've got 6 credit hours in college biology! What do you say?
The CRS is creeping in, Urb. We just had this discussion.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Indianapolis, IN

#95396 Jun 28, 2012
Mugwump wrote:
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Actually I wasn't sure either - was waiting for some nonsense about how the universe is powered by a central gyroscope or something
HA! That would be Arrogant Brother.
Mugwump

Manchester, UK

#95397 Jun 28, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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HA! That would be Arrogant Brother.
Actually was thinking of jimbos theory (no, not that definition) of the universe as a perpetual motion machine - possibly a different thread.

But once he mentions tackstrips he is outed

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#95398 Jun 28, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
CLEP Biology Practice Test 2, Question 26.
A single DNA strand that has the sequence GATACCA would be complemented by a strand of DNA with which sequence?
A. GATACCA
B. CTATGGT
C. ACCATAG
D. CUAUCCU
E. UCCUAUC
F: GODDIDIT

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#95399 Jun 28, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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Where do you figure the next generation of Biologists will come from if you don't expose them to the subject? or Physicists? or Chemists? Just because you didn't continue INTO high school doesn't mean no one has.
FIFY

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#95400 Jun 28, 2012
Libertatem wrote:
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Might be more practical to teach high schoolers auto mechanics or how to use a debit card for those who will not become biologists or continuing on into the medical field. Teach them the scientific method of course. Theory will be irrelevant to the majority of them.
People who are ignorant of science try to force everyone else's kids to be ignorant of science. Why would we want to actively encourage that kind of foolishness?

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#95401 Jun 28, 2012
Libertatem wrote:
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Let me ask you a question. Do you think the majority of high school students who continue on into higher education will major in chemistry or engineering? Biology or business?
I'm not sure if you intentionally missed my point or not. Let me rephrase it more directly. Teaching theory within any high school course will probably not benefit the majority of HS graduates & that time would be better spent teaching them what they will actually benefit from.
This is why federally managed education is a problem. Not enough choice in the curriculum you would like your children to study.
The majority of students will not become historians, thus we shouldn't teach EVERYBODY history.

The majority of students will not become mathematicians, thus we shouldn't teach EVERYBODY geometry.

The majority of students will not become chemists, thus we shouldn't teach EVERYBODY chemistry.

The majority of students will not become authors, thus we shouldn't teach EVERYBODY proper grammar.

Yes, I do think your system is more useful to society.

Are you a Delta or an Epsilon?

“Darwin was right..of course.”

Since: Jun 11

Evolution is true.....

#95402 Jun 28, 2012
Libertatem wrote:
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Let me ask you a question. Do you think the majority of high school students who continue on into higher education will major in chemistry or engineering? Biology or business?
I'm not sure if you intentionally missed my point or not. Let me rephrase it more directly. Teaching theory within any high school course will probably not benefit the majority of HS graduates & that time would be better spent teaching them what they will actually benefit from.
This is why federally managed education is a problem. Not enough choice in the curriculum you would like your children to study.
Libertatem,let me ask you a question.

Are you a Southerner who uses school vouchers to send your children to religiously orientated schools that teach creationism and not evolution? Or are you one who just supports this practice?

Because if you are...you are part of the dumbing down of Americas children.

"Is our children learning?" as George W. Bush so famously asked. Well, no, they is not learning. America is not teaching its children stuff they need to know, and we are falling into the Republican elites trap.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#95403 Jun 28, 2012
Libertatem wrote:
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Insulting my children just shows your age. It is illegal to send them to a trade school at that age.
Geez, your touchy. Not your genetic kids, poetic liscense kids. Now you'll get all bummed out if I call them generic kids. I would think you would like your own kids (generic kids) to aspire to something beyond mediocrity.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#95404 Jun 28, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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I have newfound respect for you.
Still think you're going to beat me out on that Biology exam, don't you?

Since: Aug 07

Scottdale, GA

#95405 Jun 28, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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Still think you're going to beat me out on that Biology exam, don't you?
If we both pass, I wouldn't mind if you got the higher score. But I got to tell you, I'm very experienced at test taking and studying. Every year I have to complete and report the required number of hours of continuous professional education (CPE) to maintain my certificates and licenses. And I've been doing that for more than 25 years. As I scan through my biology text (Biology, Campbell, 8th ed.) and review course (REA), there is very little that I haven't aleady been exposed to from my previous studies related to creation science. Together with the testware software, and CLEP official guide, I've got 5 full length practice exams. I'll just memorize the questions and answers. That's 575 questions with explanations! I've also read dozens of books on these subjects already and I know you probably have as well. You mentioned that you watched all of the free online UC Berkeley lectures and took notes. Who knows, one of us could get the highest score ever recorded? You should at least do better at the questions on evolution. I would like to take it around August or September. That'll give me time to take the chemistry exam prior to the start of the spring semester. I'm looking forward to seeing some hot Miami latina coed talent up close in the lab; that alone will be worth the cost of tuition.

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