Isles power up clean-energy agreement - News

There are 20 comments on the Oct 21, 2008, Honolulu Star-Bulletin story titled Isles power up clean-energy agreement - News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

State and utility company leaders said yesterday they have agreed on a plan to accelerate the Hawaii Clean Energy Initiative - designed to position the islands as a renewable energy model for the country.

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Cat Manapua

Saint George, UT

#2 Oct 21, 2008
Developing alternative energy sources is the only sensible thing to do. I suspect Lingle wants to make this issue her legacy and if so, it's very good one! But I'll save the hats and horns for a few months because the story said:

"Funding for the state-owned cable would likely come from private investment, utility ratepayers and state and federal grants and loans. No time line or cost was disclosed, but more details are expected in the spring."

We have to wait until the money talks before we can see if this is for real or just political posturing. If private money comes in we can be pretty sure the program will go forward.
slc3755

Portland, OR

#3 Oct 21, 2008
Hey Dummies,

You guys live on the most active volcanic zone IN THE WORLD. Why don't you use it? Its clean, its unlimited, and its untapped. There's this country called Iceland. Hawaii politicians, If you haven't heard of it it is up north. Look it up on wikipedia. They they get practically all of their electricity from geothermal.
Photovoltaic

Honolulu, HI

#4 Oct 21, 2008
We need an increase in residential Photovoltaic rebate! Solar Water heaters are excellent in saving electricity, but combined with a PV system, Hawaii residents would almost eliminate thier cost of electricity. Every roof in Hawaii should have a PV system AND a Solar Water Heater. Cloudy Germany leads the world in Solar use. Sunny Hawaii could at least be no. 2.
Photovoltaic

Honolulu, HI

#5 Oct 21, 2008
But critics say the plan would be costly for consumers and relies too heavily on wind power at the expense of cheaper technologies such as solar energy.

"It's a bunch of hot air," said Henry Curtis, executive director of the environmental group Life of the Land Hawaii.(Advertiser, 10-21-80)

We need an increased rebate for residential Photovoltaic electrictity!
manini

Honolulu, HI

#6 Oct 21, 2008
I think Constance Lau misspook when she said we could buy energy cheaper from local renewable producers. Right now federal law says they can charge the same rate as the fossil fuel fired generators. This was enacted to encourage investment in renewable energy so those investors to recover their moneys. The law is supposedly going to be reviewed sometime in the future but you can bet there will be plenty of opposition and lobbying (money, campaign donations, etc) from the generators of the renewable energy to make the higher rate permanent. A good idea that shouldn't be allowed to go bad.
Hawaii's recent passage of a law mandating solar water heaters on all new construction homes also had the sneaky provision of ending the solar tax credits for solar water heaters added to existing homes. There's still some 250,000 homes in Hawaii that could be converted, reducing our oil consumption significantly. Shame on Hermina Morita for not telling her fellow legislators of that provision of the bill when she introduced it. Hopefully the legislature will come back and correct the problem.
WhatsGoingOn

Honolulu, HI

#7 Oct 21, 2008
We live on top of some of the hottest rocks in the world.

Believe it or not Marcos brought in Thermal Energy to the Philippines and they now lead the world in the technology in which water is infused to the volcanic rocks creating steam to run turbines. Their energy cost is estimated at over half ours.

Thermal power can be created virtually anywhere throughout Hawaii powering everything from electric cars to our new train.

We have the opportunity to become really "green", lets do it!
Jim L

Kaneohe, HI

#8 Oct 21, 2008
Photovoltaic wrote:
We need an increase in residential Photovoltaic rebate! Solar Water heaters are excellent in saving electricity, but combined with a PV system, Hawaii residents would almost eliminate thier cost of electricity. Every roof in Hawaii should have a PV system AND a Solar Water Heater. Cloudy Germany leads the world in Solar use. Sunny Hawaii could at least be no. 2.
Actually if our politicians had any balls they would enact legislation requiring solar water heaters be installed on every house and appartment complex in Hawaii. I have had solar water heating n my house for over 23 years. Its great, so please tell me why sunny Texas does not have a similar law. Heck west Texas is just as sunny as Hawaii. Make sure your house is in order before you try to set other people straight.

Since: Sep 08

Honolulu, HI

#9 Oct 21, 2008
At the moment there is no federal funding or available credit for any private investors who would be interested. It would be up to the rate payer at this point to finance this ambitious project until things get better. Furthermore , in order for this to become a reality, we need to end the war which is plunging this country deeper into debt everyday.
Get it Straight

Kalaheo, HI

#10 Oct 21, 2008
ConnieLingle,

You need to get your facts straight. Right now the federal government is supporting renewable energies, the development of the industry and the growth of particular projects at incredible rates. The state has already received millions in federal support for this ambitious - and well worth it - project.

This is one of the few times when people actually get the urgent need for renewables.
Photovoltaic

Honolulu, HI

#11 Oct 21, 2008
All of America should install a PV electrical system and a solar water heaters on thier roof! The Feds could use some of the new printed Bail-Out money to increase the rebates! This would create many jobs! We MIGHT be able to compete with Cloudy Germany and become no. 2 on the list for solar use!
An Observer

Keaau, HI

#12 Oct 21, 2008
Who's the tall person in the photo with Sen. Inouye. I was born and raised here and she doesn't seem to have any local ties. Does she work here or something? How much longer until she goes back to the mainland again?
FedUp

Honolulu, HI

#13 Oct 21, 2008
Well, nice idea, but how come we are not building the windmills on Oahu. NO need for a cable and the expense involved with transmission issues from a remote island. Go figure?
Tsarbomba

Cambridge, MA

#14 Oct 21, 2008
Cat Manapua wrote:
Developing alternative energy sources is the only sensible thing to do. I suspect Lingle wants to make this issue her legacy and if so, it's very good one! But I'll save the hats and horns for a few months because the story said:
"Funding for the state-owned cable would likely come from private investment, utility ratepayers and state and federal grants and loans. No time line or cost was disclosed, but more details are expected in the spring."
We have to wait until the money talks before we can see if this is for real or just political posturing. If private money comes in we can be pretty sure the program will go forward.
Interesting, another point we can agree on.
Tsarbomba

Cambridge, MA

#15 Oct 21, 2008
FedUp wrote:
Well, nice idea, but how come we are not building the windmills on Oahu. NO need for a cable and the expense involved with transmission issues from a remote island. Go figure?
I think this also has to do with where the strongest and most consistent winds are in addition to available land. An undersea cable actually has more benefits as it will strengthen the grid as now the different islands can draw power between them during any emergencies.
Karla

Honolulu, HI

#16 Oct 21, 2008
Thanks that with an Obama presidency, we can look forward to a tax cut if we are earning less than $250,000. Governor Lingle should support Obama's idea because businesses and workers need tax relief to grow a clean energy industry. The Obama tax cut will help Hawaii families have a little bit more money to use for education. In fact, Governor Lingle should double the tax cut that Obama is offering if families decide to invest in their children's college education. Only then can we be sure that there will be local-born clean energy industry workers and innovators.
Waianae Moke

Honolulu, HI

#17 Oct 21, 2008
FedUp wrote:
Well, nice idea, but how come we are not building the windmills on Oahu. NO need for a cable and the expense involved with transmission issues from a remote island. Go figure?
There is too much "Not in my Neighborhood" attitude on Oahu. There have been several proposals but it received strong opposition from the community due to religious reasons.
hypocrisy

Kealakekua, HI

#18 Oct 21, 2008
Pretty good plan, considering all the governmental aspects of it, which generally slows down getting to the pay off with red tape. Relying on the current crop of alternatives, especially wind, while being promoted by the US DOE, is not going to prove to be feasible and this is where the disconnect between legislative work and actual technology will cause a "back to the drawing board" delay. In government planning, there never is any allowance for divergence from what they know and since they never know everything there is to know, whomsoever has the pull usually gets to the top.
The Dude

Honolulu, HI

#19 Oct 21, 2008
Good to see that between all of Lingle's flying around bad-mouthing the products of Hawaii she can actually do some good. This is a major step in the right direction for Hawaii. I can already hear it however, there will be whiners saying, oh I don't know what if the windmills blow away or something. We MUST stop our dependence on oil and this is the biggest step I have seen our state take. Well done.
Former Maui Resident

Pearl City, HI

#20 Oct 21, 2008
slc3755 wrote:
Hey Dummies,
You guys live on the most active volcanic zone IN THE WORLD. Why don't you use it? Its clean, its unlimited, and its untapped. There's this country called Iceland. Hawaii politicians, If you haven't heard of it it is up north. Look it up on wikipedia. They they get practically all of their electricity from geothermal.
We do. It's called the Puna Geothermal Venture. It's been creating electricity from geothermal for 15 years!
Former Maui Resident

Pearl City, HI

#21 Oct 21, 2008
Waianae Moke wrote:
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There is too much "Not in my Neighborhood" attitude on Oahu. There have been several proposals but it received strong opposition from the community due to religious reasons.
Yes, we'd rather rely on and burn fossil fuels than install a few wind generators or a PV grid. We don't want change, for better or worse.

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