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"Science vs. Religion: What Scientists Really Think"

There are 81648 comments on the Examiner.com story from Jan 22, 2012, titled "Science vs. Religion: What Scientists Really Think". In it, Examiner.com reports that:

It is fascinating to note that atheists boast that most scientists are atheists.

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_BobLoblah_

Since: Apr 11

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#13885 Feb 10, 2013
Alien Outlaw wrote:
<quoted text>The human animal will believe whats its told, simple fact. If Bob was raised overseas he would believe Americans are infidels and must be exterminated. Religion is a learned behavior. Why so many different Gods? Why so many different beliefs? One God there should be one belief and one religion, not thousands. Such an almighty and powerful being must not be such a ghost. So the creation theory, or story has no merit. Evolution is just as bogus. Find some bones add some DNA and bingo, human and apes are relatives. Each generation of humans are seeing the truth, the smart, intelligent ones are seeing thru the smoke screen. Humans are gullible and easily influenced from birth.....its brainwashing gone wild. Experience is the best text book!
11Feb13.....

.....Your posting shows exactly how 'liddle' you know of the REAL world outside yer backYard.

Ps:.....The Population of the WholeWideworld is 7.23 billion with MOST of them living 'overSeas'(as you call it). Of these, MOST do NOT believe dat Americans are Infidels. In fact, some 5.75 billion people live in Africa, Asia, SouthEast Asia, Europe, and points beyond. Of these, only 1.64 billion are muslimes dat hate 'ANY' non-muslime guts and would slit their throats in the blink of an eye.

.....dat's why, such murderers and wrongly mindSet excuses for human beings are being held in Guantanamo Jail, and why The US of A (with agreement of the UN) contines to shove these wonderful 'Drones' up the arseHoles of the truly Evil ones.

Get a Life ya schidt-for-brains. Better still....get Lost. Phuck OFF.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
_BobLoblah_

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#13886 Feb 10, 2013
Alien Outlaw wrote:
<quoted text>The human animal will believe whats its told, simple fact. If Bob was raised overseas he would believe Americans are infidels and must be exterminated. Religion is a learned behavior. Why so many different Gods? Why so many different beliefs? One God there should be one belief and one religion, not thousands. Such an almighty and powerful being must not be such a ghost. So the creation theory, or story has no merit. Evolution is just as bogus. Find some bones add some DNA and bingo, human and apes are relatives. Each generation of humans are seeing the truth, the smart, intelligent ones are seeing thru the smoke screen. Humans are gullible and easily influenced from birth.....its brainwashing gone wild. Experience is the best text book!
11Feb13.....

.....In udder words.....

Ps:.....You 'OlienShitLaw' don't have a clue.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah
alan

Kansas City, MO

#13887 Feb 10, 2013
Bob Loblaw wrote:
<quoted text>11Feb13.....
.....In udder words.....
Ps:.....You 'OlienShitLaw' don't have a clue.
Forever and Ever
BobLo blah
Let me guess. Each time the guard leaves the desk you sneak out and type some incoherent nonsense........you are a quack. The meds have quit working due to over usage. Change meds......oh no, the guard is coming back.....get out of there BOB!Run! Later you can play Forever and Ever........Or, Bob you live in your parents basement and Uncle Sam gives you a monthly check due to psychosis......Bingo!Oh, Bob Sam is not your uncle.Now go to sleep and don't forget the meds.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#13888 Feb 10, 2013
alan wrote:
<quoted text>Let me guess. Each time the guard leaves the desk you sneak out and type some incoherent nonsense........you are a quack. The meds have quit working due to over usage. Change meds......oh no, the guard is coming back.....get out of there BOB!Run! Later you can play Forever and Ever........Or, Bob you live in your parents basement and Uncle Sam gives you a monthly check due to psychosis......Bingo!Oh, Bob Sam is not your uncle.Now go to sleep and don't forget the meds.

He is endeavoring to persevere a greater form of stupid.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#13890 Feb 11, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
nope that isn't proof of god either. If anything it's proof that human life is capable of being very very unintelligent too.
Yeah, and if you and Boblob keep it up this whole thread could implode.

:-)

(Dude patiently waits for more "f*ck sh*t" from the frothing fundies)

Since: Jun 07

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#13891 Feb 11, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, and if you and Boblob keep it up this whole thread could implode.
:-)
(Dude patiently waits for more "f*ck sh*t" from the frothing fundies)
Good one, Nuggin's left testicle. No really.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#13894 Feb 18, 2013
ATLAS has not confirmed.
http://www.science20.com/quantum_diaries_surv ...
This is a mischaracterization. ATLAS did confirm the 126 GeV Higgs using the ZZ channel. There is a larger signal than expected in the diphoton channel. This *could* be a sign of supersymmtery, but let's wait until more data comes in. There is a discovery for the Higgs.

http://www.science20.com/quantum_diaries_surv ...
in which we find:

http://www.science20.com/alpha_meme/physicist ...

Criticism quote:
And with the hype there always comes nonsense, nonsense like that the masses of particles are due to the Higgs (No they are not!), nonsense like that the Higgs is some sort of ether while however Einstein disproved all ethers (neither the first nor the second is true), nonsense like that the mass of the Higgs may decide whether our universe is stable.
That the standard model of particle physics has the Higgs does not tell us whether the standard model is fundamental or plainly an emergent symmetry, the (relatively) low energy behavior of a more fundamental physics inside of which the Higgs particle is merely a pseudo particle (which it is anyway, but that is another story).
That the rest mass parameter of fermions inside the standard model is allowed to be nonzero due to the Higgs field breaking the electroweak symmetry (or perhaps even somehow effectively modeled by a Higgs field interaction) tells you nothing about the nature of mass. Mass is inertia against acceleration, the fundamental nature of which is still unknown and the amount of which is overwhelmingly due to Einstein's E = m c2 applied to binding energies that have nothing to do with the Higgs mechanism! Higgs explains mass? Nonsense!
end quote
5 Sigma means a chance of 1 in a million.

Polymath:
Although it is probably missed by most people, there are some valid points here. The mass of ordinary matter is NOT due to the Higg's mechanism!

PM-Double fine-PM:
We have several candidates for quantum gravity: string and M-theory and loop quantum gravity are the main contenders, although there are others. The problem is that we simply don't have the technology to test these ideas. The problem is that the energy levels where gravity becomes relevant in quantum mechanics are quintillions of times higher than what we can do at the LHC. There are also technical problems in string theory (it allows for many different versions of the vacuum; which is the real one is a fundamental problem).
The next question is whether there is some sort of supersymmetry. There are hints and rumors that some sort of it is being seen at the LHC. If that turns out to be the case, then it is a *major* advance in our understanding of physics. For example, there are very natural contenders for dark matter if supersymmetry is found to be correct.
The good thing about supersymmetry is that we should be able to test at least part of it with the LHC. For the forseeable future, real tests of quantum gravity are beyond us.
DF: Okay. So, since the QTG is out of the equation it seems, for now. Does that mean establishing supersymmetry is the next 'major step'?
Establishing whether supersymmetry is correct is the next major step. If it isn't, then figuring out what dark matter is composed of is an alternative. Either way, the dark matter question is a very important one.
Ordinary matter is made primarily from electrons and up/down quarks. The vast majority of the mass of a proton is due to the binding energy of these particles, NOT the Higg's mechanism.
The main question is the nature of the LSSMP (Least Super Symmetric Massive Particle), which should be stable and have many of the properties of dark matter (minimal E&M interaction, etc).
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Well and we read that we now have about 500 forms of matter.(Perimetre Institute)
And about 27 theories of which above are just a few.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#13895 Feb 18, 2013
13 dec 2012 confirmed to S7.

And now the thread can implode.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#13896 Jan 9, 2015
Science and religion have different goals. Religion teaches morality and self development; science has nothing to contribute to religion's goals.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#13897 Jan 9, 2015
Brian_G wrote:
Science and religion have different goals. Religion teaches morality and self development; science has nothing to contribute to religion's goals.
Morality and self development are far older than religion, without those traits there would be no religion, no humanity upon which religions can be built.

Religions simply hijack morality and self development as their own, then pervert those traits and attempt to deny them to anyone not in their club because it makes them look good to themselves while denying their version of humanity to anyone else.

The real discussion here is (was, this is an old thread, revived last night by topix admins) progress. Is it progressive to believe in a few thousand years old god book that condones genocide, subjugation, slavery, rape, theft and intolerance to the exclusion of knowledge or is the human race going to progress through acquiring further knowledge (science)

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#13899 Jan 9, 2015
You 'Progressives" sure love self serving language. You object to religion but offer nothing to replace it. Slavery was ended in the USA by religious Christians. Without religion, there is no absolute standard of morality.
thetruth

East Barnet, UK

#13900 Jan 9, 2015
Brian_G wrote:
Science and religion have different goals. Religion teaches morality and self development; science has nothing to contribute to religion's goals.
Religious cowards like you are afraid of admitting that Science disproves your childish beliefs.
thetruth

East Barnet, UK

#13901 Jan 9, 2015
Brian_G wrote:
You 'Progressives" sure love self serving language. You object to religion but offer nothing to replace it. Slavery was ended in the USA by religious Christians. Without religion, there is no absolute standard of morality.
Slavery still exists - you're enslaved by a religious cult that has no evidence of god.
The Dude

UK

#13902 Jan 9, 2015
Oh look, Brian is back to wank on old threads.
Brian_G wrote:
Science and religion have different goals. Religion teaches morality and self development; science has nothing to contribute to religion's goals.
That's because religious goals are about indoctrination. Which by the way, is not moral.
The Dude

UK

#13903 Jan 9, 2015
Brian_G wrote:
You 'Progressives" sure love self serving language. You object to religion but offer nothing to replace it. Slavery was ended in the USA by religious Christians. Without religion, there is no absolute standard of morality.
Abolition was also opposed by religious Christians.

Oh, and uh, religious morality is every bit as arbitrary as everyone else.

“That's just MY opinion...”

Since: Jan 07

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#13904 Jan 9, 2015
Brian_G wrote:
You object to religion but offer nothing to replace it.
I had a cancerous growth on one of my fingers, but was reluctant to have it removed because I had nothing to replace it.
Brian_G wrote:
Slavery was ended in the USA by religious Christians. Without religion, there is no absolute standard of morality.
That's just a complete denial of reality.
One way or another

United States

#13905 Jan 9, 2015
The evolutionary science fairy is hard at work in the schools that do not teach children how to think for themselves, rather teaching them what to say what to think and how to say it.

Schools teach children how to be cubicle smart, for the sake of making other people money. However school do not teach children how to think for themselves, so that they are not held captive by those that control the schools.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#13906 Jan 9, 2015
Brian_G wrote:
You 'Progressives" sure love self serving language. You object to religion but offer nothing to replace it. Slavery was ended in the USA by religious Christians. Without religion, there is no absolute standard of morality.
Progressive is self serving? What a load of deliberately ignorant claptrap

I do not object to religion, I object to you and you kind presenting your personal view of religion as a panacea for everyone and everything and stealing/claiming certain aspects of humanity as your own and denying them to those you don't agree with.

Nothing to replace religion? How about living my life in a way that suites my morality and that of those around me, not as it suites you and your likeminded religious buddies?

What about faith in humanity rather than a bronze age myth who committed genocide, killed children and pregnant women and who condoned slavery and rape and theft and who created such niceties as childhood leukaemia and the mosquito?

How about replacing it with facts and knowledge and science and freedom of thought and the will to learn.

What about love of all fellow human beings and for nature without having to ask a mythical beard in the sky if that's ok? Funny how that beard always agrees with your wish, is it not?

How about trusting your fellow human beings to know the difference between good and bad? Sure there are good and bad non religious people, there are good and bad religious people too, you don't need religions to make any difference to personality. What I have found though is that often, those religious "bad" people will hide behind their religion or use it to cover up their deeds. Non religious people do not have a god to hide behind and therefore they tend to accept more personal responsibility.

Just because you are not willing to accept there is something to replace religion does not mean there is nothing to replace religion, only that you have been indoctrinated to ignore such alternatives.

Slavery was started in the USA by religious christians. Slavery was most common in the babble belt of the USA. The babble itself condones, even recommends slavery of captives

Your personal and your faiths view of morality has been tuned to yours and your faiths wishes. Morality is not absolute and your version of morality is not everyone's standard of morality. To be perfectly honest, it is my experience that my personal morality outweighs that of the average christian and leaves the average funnymentalist standing.

Absolute morality on your terms implies fascism and leads to hatred and even death. In recorded history there have been over 800 million known deaths in the name of religious wars. There have no doubt been many millions of unrecorded deaths too. Is that the sort of morality you condone?
One way or another

United States

#13907 Jan 9, 2015
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Progressive is self serving? What a load of deliberately ignorant claptrap
I do not object to religion, I object to you and you kind presenting your personal view of religion as a panacea for everyone and everything and stealing/claiming certain aspects of humanity as your own and denying them to those you don't agree with.
Nothing to replace religion? How about living my life in a way that suites my morality and that of those around me, not as it suites you and your likeminded religious buddies?
What about faith in humanity rather than a bronze age myth who committed genocide, killed children and pregnant women and who condoned slavery and rape and theft and who created such niceties as childhood leukaemia and the mosquito?
How about replacing it with facts and knowledge and science and freedom of thought and the will to learn.
What about love of all fellow human beings and for nature without having to ask a mythical beard in the sky if that's ok? Funny how that beard always agrees with your wish, is it not?
How about trusting your fellow human beings to know the difference between good and bad? Sure there are good and bad non religious people, there are good and bad religious people too, you don't need religions to make any difference to personality. What I have found though is that often, those religious "bad" people will hide behind their religion or use it to cover up their deeds. Non religious people do not have a god to hide behind and therefore they tend to accept more personal responsibility.
Just because you are not willing to accept there is something to replace religion does not mean there is nothing to replace religion, only that you have been indoctrinated to ignore such alternatives.
Slavery was started in the USA by religious christians. Slavery was most common in the babble belt of the USA. The babble itself condones, even recommends slavery of captives
Your personal and your faiths view of morality has been tuned to yours and your faiths wishes. Morality is not absolute and your version of morality is not everyone's standard of morality. To be perfectly honest, it is my experience that my personal morality outweighs that of the average christian and leaves the average funnymentalist standing.
Absolute morality on your terms implies fascism and leads to hatred and even death. In recorded history there have been over 800 million known deaths in the name of religious wars. There have no doubt been many millions of unrecorded deaths too. Is that the sort of morality you condone?
Yeah, and money doesn't control. You better say and do what the monied that control our society want you to say and do or you get nothing.

Don't you wish you had a brain?

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#13908 Jan 9, 2015
One way or another wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, and money doesn't control. You better say and do what the monied that control our society want you to say and do or you get nothing.
Don't you wish you had a brain?
What??? Are you really this stupid or is it an act for topix?

I have brain enough to insure that I have all the money I need. I live in a democracy and therefore I accept that I hold some responsibility for giving power to those in power....

Do you live in a democracy?

Do you vote?

Because if you don't then you have no say in the matter and if you do then you are at least partially responsible for those controlling society.

Either way you should man up and accept you responsibility rather than bltching about it

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