"Science vs. Religion: What Scientists Really Think"

[_BobLoblah_]

15th Dalai Lama wrote:

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Now that I'm a devout Catholic atheist I'm not allowed to say stuff like that.
Do you think this would look good on my bumper?
http://lianaandmason.com/dollhouse/wp-content...

24Aug12.....

.....You are as much a devout Catholic as 'ol Hitler was.

Ps:....what you Really & Truly are is full of schidt to the eyeballs.

Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

[Chimney1]

humble brother wrote:

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What is the basis for this claim?
This is funny though. You are now forced to take steps of acceptance towards the new model and go ahead and declare that the laws of energy states must be true:
- average v²d for all orbiters of some mass must be the same
- mv²d for an orbiter must remain constant
So, are you ready to accept these new laws and begin your acceptance of the new model?

You mean, accept that at best you have trivially restated Newton, adding no new information or predictive power?

Yes, I accept that. In fact its what we have been telling you, except in the parts where you are merely wrong or wronger than wrong, i.e. totally meaningless.

[Chimney1]

humble brother wrote:

Your magic variable G is utterly useless.

Now, tell us how you determine the mass of the earth without G. Or the mass of the Sun, etc.

No, not the m^3/s^2 or whatever garbage you want to spout. The actual mass, expressed as a multiple of that 1kg block of platinum iridium in a Paris vault.

You simply cannot.

Still clueless.

[thewordofme]

_BobLoblah_ wrote:

<quoted text>24Aug12.....
.....oh!!!!!
Ps:....Go ahead. Explain how you know there is 'no GOD'. If you can do dat, BobLoblah will make you a very wealthy person.
Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

I know there is no god or gods because NO ONE on earth can Prove there IS one. There is absolutely no physical evidence for a god and there NEVER has been.

Because all of the old stories in the Old Testament can be proven wrong, because prayers are NEVER answered...God has NEVER caused and amputee to regrow a lost limb. To hear Christians talk about it you would think that prayers are answered every day for millions of people, but when you investigate the stories they ALL, without exception, fall apart. Statistically, prayers fall in perfect alignment with blind chance...and never a regrown limb in all of recorded history.

From what we know about the Bible nowadays it makes no sense to consider it a 'Holy' document; it is purely a man-made hoax and is full of man-made myths.

Think about this and follow the logical consequences...There was never an Adam and Eve as described in the Bible. Never a time in human history when there was only 2 procreating Homo-sapiens. Never a time when there was only 8 procreating humans (flood myth).

We know there was never a Exodus of a million+ Hebrews out of Egypt. This is a foundational story of the Jews and their god, and it is provably a myth.

There's more, bit I'm tired of writing today.

[Drew Smith]

Malakai wrote:

"We know there was never a Exodus of a million+ Hebrews out of Egypt"
First the Bible does not claim millions exited Egypt.

He said "a million+". That means "more than a million".

Exodus 12:37-38: "And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children. And a mixed multitude went up also with them"

So if there were 600,000 men, and you add women and children and the mixed multitude, you end up with more than a million people.

[15th Dalai Lama]

_BobLoblah_ wrote:

<quoted text>24Aug12.....
.....You are as much a devout Catholic as 'ol Hitler was.
Ps:....what you Really & Truly are is full of schidt to the eyeballs.
Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

I'll take into consideration the fact that you have no church, no faith, no congregation and no beliefs.

A don't give me any of your born again mumbo jumbo because you don't even know what that means. The only thing Christian about you is your bumper fish.

[15th Dalai Lama]

Malakai wrote:

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"We know there was never a Exodus of a million+ Hebrews out of Egypt"
First the Bible does not claim millions exited Egypt.
Secondly you "know" nothing of the sort, You believe. You don't know.
Lack of evidence is not proof.
You really look like a fatuous making these kind of claims.

37 And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children.
38 And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle.

I don't see wives, probably inventoried with the cattle.
Two million people is probably a conservative estimate, plus the flocks, herds and cattle.

[15th Dalai Lama]

Drew Smith wrote:

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He said "a million+". That means "more than a million".
Exodus 12:37-38: "And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children. And a mixed multitude went up also with them"
So if there were 600,000 men, and you add women and children and the mixed multitude, you end up with more than a million people.

I posted the exact same thing. Doesn't matter though, dimwitted fundies are oblivious to evidence, within or outside the Bible.

[thewordofme]

Malakai wrote:

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"We know there was never a Exodus of a million+ Hebrews out of Egypt"
First the Bible does not claim millions exited Egypt.
Secondly you "know" nothing of the sort, You believe. You don't know.
Lack of evidence is not proof.
You really look like a fatuous making these kind of claims.

You used the word fatuous wrong.

I was not wrong on the reported number supposedly leaving Egypt was I?

I am not wrong on the fact that this incident never happened either.

Archaeologists and believers by the hundreds have been searching for over a hundred years for ANY evidence of this story...there has NEVER been even one piece of evidence found to support it.

They HAVE found plenty of evidence for other people and groups passing through, both before and after the reported time span, but NOTHING at all to appease the believers.

Knowing from real world experience how scrupulously archaeologists pick over and survey sites I'm going to be on their side. I know the old saying about no evidence, but in this case there have been too many searches over such a long time that we must face the facts...nothing there at all.

Also to back up the story of no Exodus is the fact that many many religious scholars doubt that Moses was real...they know he didn't write the Pentateuch. It is suspected that the Pentateuch was written around the time of the Exile in Babylon (587-538 BC).

Face it dude...the Biblical stories are fast going out the window in light of new discoveries

[thewordofme]

_BobLoblah_ wrote:

<quoted text>24Aug12.....
.....oh!!!!!
Ps:....Go ahead. Explain how you know there is 'no GOD'. If you can do dat, BobLoblah will make you a very wealthy person.
Forever and Ever
BobLoblah

So where's my wealth Bo bo??

[thewordofme]

Malakai wrote:

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"We know there was never a Exodus of a million+ Hebrews out of Egypt"
First the Bible does not claim millions exited Egypt.
Secondly you "know" nothing of the sort, You believe. You don't know.
Lack of evidence is not proof.
You really look like a fatuous making these kind of claims.

What...no comments on the prayer never works or Adam and Eve being non-persons??

The Bible has enough discredited and flat-out wrong stories to prove Christianity false. If there was truly a god, do you think he would approve of a book that he KNEW (being omniscient and all) would disprove his very existence.

[humble brother]

Chimney1 wrote:

You mean, accept that at best you have trivially restated Newton, adding no new information or predictive power?
Yes, I accept that. In fact its what we have been telling you, except in the parts where you are merely wrong or wronger than wrong, i.e. totally meaningless.

Newton says nothing about average v²d of an elliptic orbiter remaining constant and being equal to the constant v²d of circular orbiters around the same mass.

This is what the Classical Theory of Nonlinear Universal Relativity says about energy states of orbiters and the gravitational force affecting them:

Gravitational force does constant work on orbiters, affecting their direction of movement. In circular orbits the orbit velocity vector is always perpendicular to the gravitational force vector so the work being done by the force keeps the energy state of the orbiter constant.

In elliptical orbits the velocity vector does not remain perpendicular to the gravitational force vector and the force is able to do work that adds to or subtracts from the energy state of the orbiter. The amount of energy added to the energy state of the orbiter is directly proportional to the length of the projection of the speed vector to the force gravitational force vector, this in the same form that the energy transferred comes from v²d of the projected speed.

When the angle between the orbital velocity vector and the gravity force vector is greater than 90 degrees the work done by the gravity force adds energy to the energy state of the orbiter (distance increases). When the angle between those vectors is less than 90 degrees the work done by the gravity force subtracts energy from the energy state of the orbiter (distance decreases).

For clarification: v²d represents the kinetic energy state of a classical mass, while the equation m=M²/(v²d-M) produces the potential energy state for the same mass. Energy states are not the same as energies. The energy of some mass is found by multiplying its energy state with the amount of quanta in the mass.

This is all something Newton does not give you.

[humble brother]

Chimney1 wrote:

Now, tell us how you determine the mass of the earth without G. Or the mass of the Sun, etc.
No, not the m^3/s^2 or whatever garbage you want to spout. The actual mass, expressed as a multiple of that 1kg block of platinum iridium in a Paris vault.
You simply cannot.
Still clueless.

The new model dictates that gravity is not a function quantity of mass but a function of energy state of mass. I find it funny that you have an emotional need to repeat your medieval kilogram mantra :)

[15th Dalai Lama]

humble brother wrote:

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The new model dictates that gravity is not a function quantity of mass but a function of energy state of mass. I find it funny that you have an emotional need to repeat your medieval kilogram mantra :)

What is the mass of the standard medieval kilogram in Paris?

[15th Dalai Lama]

humble brother wrote:

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The new model dictates that gravity is not a function quantity of mass but a function of energy state of mass. I find it funny that you have an emotional need to repeat your medieval kilogram mantra :)

How does the your dog turd model address questions of density and buoyancy.

[15th Dalai Lama]

humble brother wrote:

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The new model dictates that gravity is not a function quantity of mass but a function of energy state of mass. I find it funny that you have an emotional need to repeat your medieval kilogram mantra :)

Use your dog turd model to express Bernoulli's principle.

[humble brother]

15th Dalai Lama wrote:

What is the mass of the standard medieval kilogram in Paris?

If you're talking about classical mass, then why don't you answer your own question.
What is in one kilogram of some mass?

Your problem is that you don't know. The only thing you know is that two one kilogram lumps weight the same. Relativity is all you know. You don't know what exactly makes up one kilogram of some substance.

[humble brother]

15th Dalai Lama wrote:

How does the your dog turd model address questions of density and buoyancy.

Currently I am only interested in gravity, that is what the new model deals with. You know that density and buoyancy have no effect on gravity.

[15th Dalai Lama]

humble brother wrote:

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Currently I am only interested in gravity, that is what the new model deals with. You know that density and buoyancy have no effect on gravity.

The dog turd model redefines mass. The medieval measure of density is mass divided by volume. Just plug your dog turds in and show us the expression for density.

Must all science come to a standstill while a pathetic crackpot in Finland perfects his new model?

[15th Dalai Lama]

humble brother wrote:

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If you're talking about classical mass, then why don't you answer your own question.
What is in one kilogram of some mass?
Your problem is that you don't know. The only thing you know is that two one kilogram lumps weight the same. Relativity is all you know. You don't know what exactly makes up one kilogram of some substance.

One liter of water makes up one kilogram for my purposes.
One US Nickel makes up five milligrams for my purposes.

Critical applications require finer standards, but not by much.

What makes up one kilogram on your planet?