Intelligent Design: Coming To A State Legislature Near You

[LWsciencejunkie]

Kong wrote:

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WTF???

Before you post responses like the one above to posts like the one you were responding to; ask yourself this question: WTF could I really expect from any elaboration that might be forthcoming? And, WHY TF would I reaaaaaally want to engage anyone that lame-o?
But, you might be a masochist. If so, carry on.

[shinningelectr0n]

Easter Bunny wrote:

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By the way, since I take most people's attempts to communicate their ideas rather seriously, I decided to look back at some of your messages to see where you're coming from. In all the messages I read, you said very little except to object to the perceived attitudes of the people who are against ID. Feel free to direct me to some messages that have some content that touches more directly on the subject.

Re-read your own and show me how smarmy, sophomoric retorts to questioning minds contribute to a general good. Your replies are in compliance (you love that word, I'm sure) with other herd members. Most (but NOT all) the posters here form a back-slapping club .... no, wait...a religion of narrowly focused intent on keeping outside thought outside.
I have the lawn to mow before it rains and I can't rationalize my devoting 8 hours to searching back-posts and presentations to a committee of one.

[Cvvl]

Primewonk wrote:

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You didn't tell me she was preggers. Congrats.
There is a HUGE lack of data on pregnancy and sleep. Many women while in the later stages of pregnancy will snore and have some mild apnea. And of course after the baby comes the severe sleep debt.
The only thing I can tell you is that if it was men that got pregnant, we would have solved this problem decades ago.

LOL, I know what you mean about post-partum sleep debt... this is our 2nd.

I disagree that if men carried then we'd have solved this problem. I contend that if men got pregnant, they would have invented an incubation machine long ago.

[StopTheInsanity]

LWsciencejunkie wrote:

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You're kidding-right? That was one of the dumbest jokes I've ever come up with. I used to spring it on kids that I tutored and they would hold their heads, roll their eyes and just moaaaannnn. I was on G&T #2 or I wouldn't have given the punchline away to PM- doggone it~
By the way the kids always remembered Avogadro's number!

Of course I was kidding. I was playing a subtle whack-a-mole'-joke..........

[Primewonk]

Cvvl wrote:

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I disagree that if men carried then we'd have solved this problem. I contend that if men got pregnant, they would have invented an incubation machine long ago.

We did. We call it woman.

Hey - it's a joke - don't taze me bro!

[LWsciencejunkie]

Primewonk wrote:

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I'm new here but it looks like you work in cancer/genetics. As you may have noticed, I'm in sleep research. Have you seen some of the papers linking sleep and cancer? Specifically the shift work information. The WHO is putting shift work on its list of carcinogens.

I have (surprise, surprise).
Cell repair goes into overdrive during sleep. Disruptions of circadian rhythm are going to affect both cell repair/apoptosis.
The obvious link between lower levels of vitamin D and greater risk for various cancers might indicate that inadequate exposure to sunlight caused by working at night and sleeping during the day in an area purposely protected from as much light as possible.
Shift work is also associated with chronically higher levels of cortisol-stress- which can play hell with the immune system in general.
Also, shift work, although certainly not restricted to the lower socioeconomic workforce, is more prevalent. The connection between being lower-income and the likelihood of becoming a cancer victim is well-known, but whether this is a cause or effect seems hard to figure. I'm guessing both, since lifestyle choices (smoking) seem to go along with lower-income.
Obesity, which is associated with both sleep disorders and cancer is also overrepresented in people that do shiftwork. Abdominal fat is hormonally active and is part of the reason it is thought to be carcinogenic. Higher blood glucose is also a risk for people with incipient cancers; as you are no doubt aware.

As for my twin, Zeke, he may be one of those that is on a 48-hr schedule? If he can stay up however long he wants to and sleep when he's tired...why not? I can't. My sleep pattern is so bizarre that the sleep lab guy just said "your sleep pattern is so bizarre". Oh, well.

[Tinka]

StopTheInsanity wrote:

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Of course I was kidding. I was playing a subtle whack-a-mole'-joke..........

So how's your book coming along?

[Tinka]

P.s.
I thought you had all the research you needed?...Really believed you would be tucked away some place putting it all together...
Oh, your publicist is already at it...is that it?

[polymath257]

Kong wrote:

There are 10 kinds of mathematicians. Those who can think binarily and those who can't...
http://www.math.ualberta.ca/~runde/jokes.html

One of my favorites is not on that site:

An international flight runs into some stormy weather. The turbulence is horrific and people are starting to get concerned about the safety of the flight. Suddenly, a man stands up and says he knows what to do:'Everyone from Eastern Europe, please go sit on that side of the plane, he points.' Well, they do, and instantly, the turbulence stops. Later, the man is asked how he knew what to do. He replied "I'm an applied mathematician. I knew that you can get stability by putting the Poles in the left half-plane."

[LWsciencejunkie]

Cvvl wrote:

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LOL, I know what you mean about post-partum sleep debt... this is our 2nd.
I disagree that if men carried then we'd have solved this problem. I contend that if men got pregnant, they would have invented an incubation machine long ago.

I can't speak for Mrs. Cvvl, but I absolutely loved everything about being pregnant. LOVED IT. Applied biology and sweet babies too! I even loved childbirth, and #1 (the cybergenious) had a head-circumference off the charts and I needed a series of surgical repairs that were completed just a few years ago...there's a reason I'm so uptight, I'm a virgin HA!)

Not that you asked...heeheehee.

[LWsciencejunkie]

polymath257 wrote:

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And one that gets away from the vine is a free grape. And one that has only a few ancestors is finitely generated. And don't get me started about normal sub-grapes. And then there was the rather dim one who was a simple grape. Or the one that was contorted: a topological grape. Or the funny one that has some Haar measure.

Mathematicians think they have the right angle, but they're not normal...they're warped. Siners, all of 'em.

[Tinka]

LWsciencejunkie wrote:

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I have (surprise, surprise).
Cell repair goes into overdrive during sleep. Disruptions of circadian rhythm are going to affect both cell repair/apoptosis.
The obvious link between lower levels of vitamin D and greater risk for various cancers might indicate that inadequate exposure to sunlight caused by working at night and sleeping during the day in an area purposely protected from as much light as possible.
Shift work is also associated with chronically higher levels of cortisol-stress- which can play hell with the immune system in general.
Also, shift work, although certainly not restricted to the lower socioeconomic workforce, is more prevalent. The connection between being lower-income and the likelihood of becoming a cancer victim is well-known, but whether this is a cause or effect seems hard to figure. I'm guessing both, since lifestyle choices (smoking) seem to go along with lower-income.
Obesity, which is associated with both sleep disorders and cancer is also overrepresented in people that do shiftwork. Abdominal fat is hormonally active and is part of the reason it is thought to be carcinogenic. Higher blood glucose is also a risk for people with incipient cancers; as you are no doubt aware.
As for my twin, Zeke, he may be one of those that is on a 48-hr schedule? If he can stay up however long he wants to and sleep when he's tired...why not? I can't. My sleep pattern is so bizarre that the sleep lab guy just said "your sleep pattern is so bizarre". Oh, well.

Oi way..
I am telling you, America is trying to kill of a class..
If they take away nicotine...that'll be the end of many...
If the day comes that there won't be any exhaust in front of me while driving...I will re-consider..till then...I am not taking nicotine through my skin or with some gum substance...My lungs have adopted...and I am a child of smokers...

America is maschugge....

[Cvvl]

LWsciencejunkie wrote:

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I can't speak for Mrs. Cvvl, but I absolutely loved everything about being pregnant. LOVED IT. Applied biology and sweet babies too! I even loved childbirth, and #1 (the cybergenious) had a head-circumference off the charts and I needed a series of surgical repairs that were completed just a few years ago...there's a reason I'm so uptight, I'm a virgin HA!)
Not that you asked...heeheehee.

TMO LWjunkscience, T M O

[Daughter of the King]

A final thought....This to me is one of the best scriptures concerning evolution.......... In Romans 1:18-25 " For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who hold the truth in unrighteousness, Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them, for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse. professing themselves to become wise they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things, who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen..........

[Cvvl]

D'oh! Meant TMI

[TedHOhio]

hexene wrote:

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You think that the lab needs only my old trusty slide rule to kick-start their anticipated and ground breaking research?

LOL... I think they might need more than a slide rule. How about swinging by the giving them lessons in science methodology? Oh wait the DI won't allow that, because their whole staff would quit once they understood anything about science.

[Tinka]

Plus I do not smoke chemicals...
Pure tabacko...nothing added...

Can't get that through a patch or gum...just doesn't have the same effect...

[StopTheInsanity]

Tinka wrote:

P.s.
I thought you had all the research you needed?...Really believed you would be tucked away some place putting it all together...
Oh, your publicist is already at it...is that it?

What made you think I had finished my research? Don't worry, your persona (and others like yours) will merit mention in my article (or book if I get that far) for the utter worthlessness you bring to a discussion while monopolizing time and attention. Seriously.

[TedHOhio]

adrian wrote:

<quoted text>If that's true then they are a bunch of retards for even starting it under the premise that they need to do original research, it is the SAME science with more accurate interpretations. Maybe it is premature to introduce ID, we have to wait til they get there head on straight, and until there is more failed "spontaneous" experiments. ID is a possible interpretation no matter what you eggheads say, we must not be evolved enough to handle it. And you know, no matter if they introduce this as a theory or not, the more time that goes by without a discovery or proof of random abiogenesis and macroevolution, the more this theory will become "common logic".

I think that they believe a lab would give them credibility, something they have been in short supply. The problem is that not only are they not doing research, they can't seem to sell the fact that they are capable of original and PUBLISHABLE research.

[Primewonk]

LWsciencejunkie wrote:

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I have (surprise, surprise).
Cell repair goes into overdrive during sleep. Disruptions of circadian rhythm are going to affect both cell repair/apoptosis.

One thought as to the "why" of this, is that exposure to the suns rays can trigger DNA errors. Having cell repair take place then can increase risk. Doing while asleep - in the dark - works better

LWsciencejunkie wrote:

<quoted text>The obvious link between lower levels of vitamin D and greater risk for various cancers might indicate that inadequate exposure to sunlight caused by working at night and sleeping during the day in an area purposely protected from as much light as possible.
Shift work is also associated with chronically higher levels of cortisol-stress- which can play hell with the immune system in general.
Also, shift work, although certainly not restricted to the lower socioeconomic workforce, is more prevalent. The connection between being lower-income and the likelihood of becoming a cancer victim is well-known, but whether this is a cause or effect seems hard to figure. I'm guessing both, since lifestyle choices (smoking) seem to go along with lower-income.
Obesity, which is associated with both sleep disorders and cancer is also overrepresented in people that do shiftwork. Abdominal fat is hormonally active and is part of the reason it is thought to be carcinogenic. Higher blood glucose is also a risk for people with incipient cancers; as you are no doubt aware.

We also now understand that the hormones leptin and ghrelin, that trigger appetite and satiation are tied to sleep. Having disrupted, fragmented sleep, or just plain old insufficient sleep causes two things - first you "think" you are hungry and secondly, you don't get the satiation trigger to tell you you are full. Now, knowing that, look at the rise in obesity rates and the rates of Type II Diabetes. In the past 150 years the average amount of sleep an adult in the US gets has decreased about 90 minutes. Yet there has been no genetic change in sleep need. We are chronically sleep deprived. Even kids. In the past 40 years the average school age child has started getting less sleep than they physiologically need.

Obviously we all know that obesity is a multivariate and can't pinpoint one thing that causes it. But to me, this linkage is pretty tight. If someone tells me they want to lose weight - I tell them to sleep more.

LWsciencejunkie wrote:

<quoted text>As for my twin, Zeke, he may be one of those that is on a 48-hr schedule? If he can stay up however long he wants to and sleep when he's tired...why not? I can't. My sleep pattern is so bizarre that the sleep lab guy just said "your sleep pattern is so bizarre". Oh, well.

There are some good sleep guys at UW, have you been there?

<Primewonk is now stepping off his soapbox.>