Homosexuality is Not a Choice

Today, presidential candidate Herman Cain declared on ABC's The View that homosexuality is a choice. Full Story
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Since: Oct 11

Reddick, FL

#43 Oct 6, 2011
ionmrav wrote:
<quoted text>wow! so having hetero sex is not a choice? what is the difference between attraction and homosexual "behavior"? look, just because some people dont agree with someone having sex with the same gender doesnt mean its not ok for it to occur and also, aside from involuntary sex, consentual sex whether it be with a man or woman it is often part of building a relationship asadults, intimacy. therefore having sex is natural and that includes homosexual sex. its not a type of behavior it is what it is, sex between two adult people. heterosexuals do it all the time so why cant people who prefer the same sex or both not act upon those feelings also? homosexuality isnt something that was invented by liberals its real and its damn ok to be gay. its not ok to suppress your feelings and nature, that just causes anguish.
typo correction:
people. heterosexuals do it all the time so why cant people who prefer the same sex or both not act upon those feelings also.

Since: Jan 10

Las Vegas, NV

#44 Oct 6, 2011
You gays better pray it's a choice. If science actually isolates a gay gene, imagine all the abortions that will happen.

Since: Sep 09

Hollywood, CA.

#45 Oct 6, 2011
Here in Vegas wrote:
If science actually isolates a gay gene, imagine all the abortions that will happen.
O we know,, people that think like you, false prophets, biggots would be the 1st to get aborted and the world would be a better place..

“WOOF !”

Since: Jul 11

Libertarian

#46 Oct 6, 2011
Well, I don't think that homosexuality is a choice, but if it IS a choice, it's CERTAINLY a FUN choice !

:)

(When you enter the gay bar by me, the secret password to get in is "WOO-HOO !" :))
TheBluntTruth

Grand Ledge, MI

#47 Oct 7, 2011
They know that gay people are not born that way.

Science has shown that homosexuality is not purely genetic. It has shown their are genetic factors, yes but that doesn't give you license to run with that and act like it's proof gay people were born that way.

FACTS matter. I don't care what your political agenda is, pro-gay, anti-gay, pro-walrus-lovers, I really don't care. I'm pro-gay too. I'm bisexual. But more importantly I am PRO-FACT. I don't care if it will help me politically or not I stick to the cold, hard facts and that's a value that seems to have slipped out of political debate but one that is sorely needed to restore sanity.

People are willing to just throw the facts away, manipulate them, distort them all they want just for political points.

Sometimes the lies are implicit. For example, touting a brain scan as proof that being gay is not a choice promotes the lie that only genetic and in utero factors influence brain development.

FACT: Science has PROVEN that the brain keeps developing throughout life, making new neurons.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style...

So features of an adult brain's physiology and chemistry could've came from anywhere. In fact since everything in the brain and the rest of the body develops through processes over a period of time it's more correct to say that EVERYTHING causes homosexuality. Genetics, in utero, diet, and even random and seemingly unrelated events that we haven't picked up on yet. For all we know eating spaghetti on Tuesdays could have an association with homosexuality.

And yes, Choice is a factor. How do I know this? From personal experience personal judgement of sensations(whether it is a good sensation or a bad sensation and even the particulars of how the sensation feels) is a subjective property that is subject to one's own interpretation. I once experimented mentally changing the way food tasted and it worked. So, can you change your sexual orientation? Yes, but it would take strong focus and would be a long and arduous process of mentally associating "sexual feelings" with the non-preferred gender &/or disassociating from the preferred. The can see a point in the former, since you'd be broadening your sexual horizon, but I don't see a point in the latter.

Unless you really feel a strong romantic attraction to someone you aren't sexually compatible with I don't see a point in changing sexual orientation and I don't encourage it. BUT as much as we want to end discrimination the way to do it is NOT through lies like saying it's not a choice. It isn't working anyways. Haters want to hate.

FREEDOM! Freedom is the right argument. I want to do what I want to do, and homophobes have no right to persecute and discriminate because we aren't hurting anyone.
Allen

San Angelo, TX

#48 Oct 7, 2011
Sexual preference is a continuum determined by a collection of genes that are usually correlated to physical sexual build, but not always. At one end of the continuum the person's mental and emotional preference is totally male and at the other it is totally female. People at either of these extremes are virtually non-existent. We all fall at different points along the continuum, depending on our gene mix. Usually the degree of sexual preference will not fall in the middle (bi-sexual) but will be more at one end or the other on the preference scale. Most of the time sex preference will match the biological equipment.

I have a gay adult grandson, a lesbian adult granddaughter, and a lesbian adult niece, and
I love them all as much as my "normals." I knew my grandson was gay from about age 3 by his behavior.(He couldn't have consciously made a choice at that age.) One of my daughters said she had spotted it too. My granddaughter and niece were surprises. I didn't find out until they told me.

Sexual orientation is definitely NOT a choice.
Allen

San Angelo, TX

#49 Oct 7, 2011
By the Way, Brain cell growth might determine the degree of sociability but it doesn't determine sexual orientation. These are two unrelated things. Also, brain cell growth is directed by our genes unless certain biochemicals are introduced medically. It's a medical textbook thing and too complex to get into here.

Since: Jan 10

Las Vegas, NV

#50 Oct 7, 2011
THE OLD BORNGAY wrote:
<quoted text>
O we know,, people that think like you, false prophets, biggots would be the 1st to get aborted and the world would be a better place..
The UN estimates that 250,000,000 abortions occurred worldwide because the baby was a girl.

Since: Sep 09

Hollywood, CA.

#51 Oct 7, 2011
Here in Vegas wrote:
<quoted text>
The UN estimates that 250,000,000 abortions occurred worldwide because the baby was a girl.
so.
TheBluntTruth

Bay City, MI

#52 Oct 7, 2011
Allen wrote:
By the Way, Brain cell growth might determine the degree of sociability but it doesn't determine sexual orientation. These are two unrelated things. Also, brain cell growth is directed by our genes unless certain biochemicals are introduced medically. It's a medical textbook thing and too complex to get into here.
Brain cell growth is influenced by genes. That doesn't mean it is the only factor.

Other factors:

Marijuana-http://www.marijuana .com/medicinal-marijuana/13947 0-chronic-high-doses-cannabino ids-promote-hippocampal-neurog enesis.html

http://www.sharpbrains.com/blog/2006/10/31/ne...

Exercise
The Learning Process Itself

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/2188...
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You probably read in your medical textbook that genes determine brain cell growth, which is true because genes can increase or decrease brain cell growth. But you made the exclusivist fallacy, that because science had at one time discovered one cause for something therefore there may be no other causes under any circumstances, which tends to turn out to be incorrect as we see here. In reality most things are multicausal. It is a better assumption that many things are involved rather than just one thing.
TheBluntTruth

Bay City, MI

#53 Oct 7, 2011
Also note that professions have a bias towards themselves when teaching about themselves. So your medical textbook said brain cell growth comes from genes and biomedical influences. Which is true. It just isn't the only way it happens. By OMITTING the fact that brain cell growth has other influences the textbook promotes medical solutions to raising intelligence(and vicariously promotes medical solutions for everything) over other equally scientific solutions.

A good example of this profession bias, In a sociology class they may say we are all basically reflections of our social influences. In a biology class they may say we are all really a product of our DNA.

And you know there's lots of researchers in lots of fields who will argue to death that everything reduces down to their field.

The truth is that likely everything reduces down to everything else over time. Given enough time everything will eventually turn into everything else. It should be no surprise when we find that certain genes tend to lead to certain outcomes, but we shouldn't assume that therefore there are no other factors.

In fact there must be other factors. Genes with no environment is called a miscarriage. For genes to do anything the individual must be born and grow up in an environment where they will be exposed to all kinds of things.
Allen

San Angelo, TX

#54 Oct 13, 2011
... Whatever

Since: Apr 11

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#55 Oct 13, 2011
Food for thought....with all the homosexual couples out there that are choosing to have biological children through surrogacy or whatever means, how come they aren't producing homosexual children, if it is indeed a genetic predisposition? If homosexuality is determined by genetics and not by choice, then it stands to reason that children born to homosexuals would be more likely to be homosexual themselves, however, this isn't the case. Just wondering how this would be explained.
TheBluntTruth

Grand Ledge, MI

#56 Oct 17, 2011
Allen wrote:
By the Way, Brain cell growth might determine the degree of sociability but it doesn't determine sexual orientation. These are two unrelated things. Also, brain cell growth is directed by our genes unless certain biochemicals are introduced medically. It's a medical textbook thing and too complex to get into here.
I've heard they say more brain cell growth=more sociability

BUT

Autistic children show A LOT of brain cell growth.
Some studies indicate that instead of a lack of empathy when autistic people focus on people they get overloaded by empathy for what ever the person seems to be feeling. Sometimes tending to multiply other people's emotions in themselves i.e. someone gets a little angry at them and then they get ridiculously angry back.
If you look at autistic people they aren't typical introverts. Autistic people tend to have an extreme passion for what ever they are doing, think more intensely, almost like they have more energy than the typical extrovert but people just aren't a good outlet for that energy unless they have similar interests.

What this suggests is that sociability is determined by proximity to the norm of brain cell growth. When someone has too much brain cell growth it gets to the point where everything negative they pick up from other people gets to them and they don't want to interact with people because it becomes too painful. Furthermore the person will also tend to be more intellectual and have trouble sharing interests with the average person. Most people's attitudes these days are "What's that about nuclear physics and how it relates to the nature of reality? Yawn, let's watch that new show on MTV."

One way to deal with this problem is to teach kids to just "observe" other people and their emotions in a detached manner before deciding whether or not to feel them, but this takes practice. People in general would benefit by learning how to operate their empathy.

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