Chinese women gymnasts take gold, Ame...

Chinese women gymnasts take gold, Americans hint of cheating

There are 223 comments on the www.iht.com story from Aug 14, 2008, titled Chinese women gymnasts take gold, Americans hint of cheating. In it, www.iht.com reports that:

BEIJING : After the Chinese women's gymnastics team won its first-ever Olympic gold medal on Wednesday, its diminutive gymnasts celebrated on the arena floor, hopping and hugging and mugging for the cameras.

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LOL

Surprise, AZ

#1 Aug 14, 2008
So the fall of the balance beam didn't loose the gold for US, and so did the fact that all three floor routine by US women either stepped out of bound or fell. The reason why US women lost was because China cheated. Sore looser can you say.

This is just don't do well for international sportsmanship. How would US like it if rest of the world accuse Phelps of doping, not to mention Toris (40 yr old who gave birth breaking records????). How would you feel about the Patriots if they accused the Giants of cheating after they lost? So if US lost its cheating and nothing else, but if China lost its just because US is good at sports?

And using the teeth as evidence? I wonder if anyone ever lost a tooth in Gymnastic? Every kissed the floor? Hell I lost a teeth playing flag football once. If you have issue with how the girl look then I suggest you take a tour in souther China. There are adults there who look 13.
Speed

United States

#2 Aug 14, 2008
There were murmurs, rumors and building evidence of the Chinese cheating with the age requirement before the first gymnast took the floor.

Whether they won gold, silver or no medal at all, the Chinese need to be investigated.

If they broke the rules, strip the medals.
LOL

Surprise, AZ

#3 Aug 14, 2008
Speed wrote:
There were murmurs, rumors and building evidence of the Chinese cheating with the age requirement before the first gymnast took the floor.
Whether they won gold, silver or no medal at all, the Chinese need to be investigated.
If they broke the rules, strip the medals.
Really? So the IOC is just covering for China but not anyone else.

Is it logical for China, having such a huge Gymnastic program, risk a gold medal with under age kids? I mean one or two I can understand if they are truly exceptional, but half their team?
So why sent in the 20 yr old then? They know they are good, is this really necessary? So you say they should only pick mature looking girls for competition? is that fair to those three who are better at what they do?
Grocky Toronto Canada

Mississauga, Canada

#4 Aug 14, 2008
Whatever their age, the Chinese gymnasts were superior to the Americans. If the Americans had won the gold medal, I suspect they wouldn't be complaining about the age of the Chinese gymnists. It's all sour grapes!
LOL

Surprise, AZ

#5 Aug 14, 2008
Speed wrote:
There were murmurs, rumors and building evidence of the Chinese cheating with the age requirement before the first gymnast took the floor.
Whether they won gold, silver or no medal at all, the Chinese need to be investigated.
If they broke the rules, strip the medals.
You have any idea how harmful to a nation's pride, especially a popular even like gymnastic, when you are being accused of cheating? I am looking from a bigger picture here, its like people accusing Phelps of cheating.

If you have concrete proof than bring it, but all I have seen is speculation. Would this have been a big deal if the US woman won? What if someone else besides China or US won? Would this still come up? IOC have decalred the issue settled ages ago, but should know that wouldn't satisfy the Western media. They are just looking for excuses except looking at them selves (mistakes they had). Now I wish they are actually underaged, so they can say they beat a more experienced and older team, 2012 would be even better.
Speed

United States

#6 Aug 14, 2008
LOL wrote:
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Really? So the IOC is just covering for China but not anyone else.
Is it logical for China, having such a huge Gymnastic program, risk a gold medal with under age kids? I mean one or two I can understand if they are truly exceptional, but half their team?
So why sent in the 20 yr old then? They know they are good, is this really necessary? So you say they should only pick mature looking girls for competition? is that fair to those three who are better at what they do?
No they should send any gymnast that they want....as long as they are REALLY 16 or older.
Speed

United States

#7 Aug 14, 2008
LOL wrote:
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You have any idea how harmful to a nation's pride, especially a popular even like gymnastic, when you are being accused of cheating? I am looking from a bigger picture here, its like people accusing Phelps of cheating.
If you have concrete proof than bring it, but all I have seen is speculation. Would this have been a big deal if the US woman won? What if someone else besides China or US won? Would this still come up? IOC have decalred the issue settled ages ago, but should know that wouldn't satisfy the Western media. They are just looking for excuses except looking at them selves (mistakes they had). Now I wish they are actually underaged, so they can say they beat a more experienced and older team, 2012 would be even better.
Some of the Chinese press has also reported on the suspicion of the Chinese gymnasts being underage. Do a little research on the topic.

Read the New York Times too. Here is a clip...

An advantage for younger gymnasts is that they are lighter and, often, more fearless when they perform difficult maneuvers, said Nellie Kim, a five-time Olympic gold medalist for the former Soviet Union who is now the president of the women’s technical committee for the Swiss-based International Gymnastics Federation.

“It’s easier to do tricks,” Kim said.“And psychologically, I think they worry less.”

Who is to say that Romania, Japan or the USA could not have done better, if they had used some of their gymnasts who were 13 or 14 years of age.

At the last Olympics the USA's best male diver was under 16. He competed at the trials for the experience, and he would have made the team with his scores. However, he was under 16, so he was unable to compete. I guess he should have gotten a passport from the Chinese government.
MajorMalfunction

London, UK

#8 Aug 14, 2008
Speed wrote:
There were murmurs, rumors and building evidence of the Chinese cheating with the age requirement before the first gymnast took the floor.
Whether they won gold, silver or no medal at all, the Chinese need to be investigated.
If they broke the rules, strip the medals.
And thats what they where rumours and murmurs. There are rumours and murmurs that michael phelps is doping...we should watch him every minute of the day in fact get him a minder for every minute.
jessica

Columbus, GA

#9 Aug 14, 2008
ummmmm the chinese cheated with an underage athlete in the 2000 olympics a male was 14 cant remember the name but if the shoe fits.... he told his true age after the olympics were over cause he felt guilty
LOL

Surprise, AZ

#10 Aug 14, 2008
Speed wrote:
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No they should send any gymnast that they want....as long as they are REALLY 16 or older.
So prove they are not 16. The burden of the proof lies with the acuser not the acused.
LOL

Surprise, AZ

#11 Aug 14, 2008
jessica wrote:
ummmmm the chinese cheated with an underage athlete in the 2000 olympics a male was 14 cant remember the name but if the shoe fits.... he told his true age after the olympics were over cause he felt guilty
Exactly which sport was he in? name?
LOL_AT_YOU

Oil City, PA

#12 Aug 14, 2008
Chinese cheat. They cheat at every aspect of civilization. Their leadfilled products, their cheap quality products, their counterfeit products, their food choices... all reek of "I cheated you out of money." Should something as "free" as a sport be any different? They're garbage and will collapse on itself.
Ho Chi Min

Buffalo, NY

#13 Aug 14, 2008
Soon they'll be stuffin thier bras,and living on chinese popcorn.

Since: Mar 08

Long Island City, NY

#14 Aug 14, 2008
jessica wrote:
ummmmm the chinese cheated with an underage athlete in the 2000 olympics a male was 14 cant remember the name but if the shoe fits.... he told his true age after the olympics were over cause he felt guilty
There were no such age requirement in 2000. Many former gymnastic champions from US, USSR, Romania etc were 14 year old when they won gold.

Since: Mar 08

Long Island City, NY

#15 Aug 14, 2008
LOL wrote:
So the fall of the balance beam didn't loose the gold for US, and so did the fact that all three floor routine by US women either stepped out of bound or fell. The reason why US women lost was because China cheated. Sore looser can you say.
Purely sore loosers. Not getting anything out of attacking Chinese team's age, now the US coach blames the judges for taking too long and unrattle the nerve of the US team.
Jason

Philadelphia, PA

#16 Aug 14, 2008
Zsari wrote:
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Purely sore loosers. Not getting anything out of attacking Chinese team's age, now the US coach blames the judges for taking too long and unrattle the nerve of the US team.
It's clearly the Chinese that manipulated the local weather pattern that caused the US Team to lose the gold medal. I am surprised that no one has mentioned that yet, I mean there is simply no way US team could lose on their own right.

All this talk about advantages of underaged girl have over 16 year olds makes people think that grade school gymnastics really should be on TV more since they are clearly the higher level competition than Olympics or World Championship since only the older and weaker opponents are allowed to compete in those. All these idiots talking about how good Shawn Johnson would be in a few years clearly didn't get the memo, we should be talking about how good Shawn Johnson was a few years ago.
Jason

Philadelphia, PA

#17 Aug 14, 2008
oh all other coaches (NBA/NFL for example) take notes, young people are better at handle the crucial moments because they have no fear, if you ever need someone to make a last minute/second shot/play, go with the rookies, leave your experienced players on the bench, that's the proven method for winning big events. How stupid were the Bulls, they let Jorden make those last second shots all the time, intentionally.
wow

Circle Pines, MN

#18 Aug 14, 2008
LOL wrote:
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You have any idea how harmful to a nation's pride, especially a popular even like gymnastic, when you are being accused of cheating? I am looking from a bigger picture here, its like people accusing Phelps of cheating.
If you have concrete proof than bring it, but all I have seen is speculation. Would this have been a big deal if the US woman won? What if someone else besides China or US won? Would this still come up? IOC have decalred the issue settled ages ago, but should know that wouldn't satisfy the Western media. They are just looking for excuses except looking at them selves (mistakes they had). Now I wish they are actually underaged, so they can say they beat a more experienced and older team, 2012 would be even better.
People like you need to stop posting on stuff that they obviously don't understand. They have concrete evidence in newspaper articles and past meet registrations. They can't do anything about it because it is the FIG's job to investigate NOT the IOC's. The FIG accepts passports as forms of ID so they accepted it and no one can do anything about it. The US girls lost because they fell forsure. But the Chinese still cheated and we all just have to accept that and we can't do anything about it.
wow

Circle Pines, MN

#19 Aug 14, 2008
Zsari wrote:
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There were no such age requirement in 2000. Many former gymnastic champions from US, USSR, Romania etc were 14 year old when they won gold.
Actually back then 14 was the age limit. I believe it was 14 up until after 2000. Then they made it 15 and then some time after that 16. I could be mistaken on the dates how ever.

And the judges taking a long time to review is actually quite common. The head judge from Romania was doing it all day in prelims and he is notorious for being hard on the US but they couldn't find any deductions on the video reviews.. btw the video reveiw in gymnastics is just bull shit and should be taken out. It takes away the point and the human quality.

“TheseDays”

Since: Apr 07

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#20 Aug 14, 2008
Well, if there are lies of age or doping, it needs to be looked at, regardless of what country they come from. But how is that going to be determined from a China citizen?

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