China's iron Olympic grip starts to...

Aug 17, 2008 | Posted by: THM | Full story: www.timesonline.co.uk

Internet critics, made bold by their uncensored criticism of the Games' opening ceremony, are seeking new targets Michael Sheridan, Beijing The mystery of the half-filled stands at many events at the 2008 ...

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Aug 17, 2008
 
Name me a country that has made everything perfect. I think you "doth protest too much" You might consider what is good....rather than what is so bad!
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Aug 17, 2008
 
World is not perfect!

Just wondering what min. cost of living requirement for your area?
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Aug 17, 2008
 

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I mostly agree with this article, although it sort of goes off-topic at the end. Some will say that this is more Western media bias. But lets look at some of the facts...and I mean just the facts:

1. Many games were at 1/3 fill. This can be seen on television.
2. Many (I have heard 1 million) foreigners did not get their visa's renewed.
3. It has been near impossible for anyone...including workers / business managers...to get a visa to come to China to do the work they need to do.

Now lets make some logical assumptions based on the above:

1. If foreigners are kicked out, we can bet that WaiDi ren...non-local workers and migrants...were definitly kicked out.
2. If the seats were not filled, that might be because a substantial amount of tickets were passed out to people who didn't use them and corruption was involved
3. If the seats were empty, that means that tourists from The West did not come to China to see the game either...meaning no cash-influx. Meaning hotels were empty.
4. All-in-all, the direct cost of hosting the game, the cost of shutting down factories, the cost of not letting business people into China during the games (by denying visas), and the (local to Beijing) cost of not having people visit, and the lost tourism cost to China...overall these costs may be very bad for China.

FYI, if anyone is reading this in Beijing, can you see if the hotels are offering big discounts now?
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I have no problem.

Kick the trouble makers out. We don't need them here.
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Aug 17, 2008
 
If i'm correct a ticket cost 3000 to 5000 RNB, who can afford it?
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Aug 17, 2008
 
lct wrote:
I have no problem.
Kick the trouble makers out. We don't need them here.
Good idea but then where will people like you go to???
Jesse

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Aug 18, 2008
 
lct wrote:
I have no problem.
Kick the trouble makers out. We don't need them here.
Um...those "troublemakers" you are refering to I guess are both the migrants and the foreigners. The former provide the cheap labour to build the cities. The later bring the investment. Without the foreigners, China's economy fails. Period. Without the Migrants, inflation skyrockets. Period.
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Aug 18, 2008
 
Jesse wrote:
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Um...those "troublemakers" you are refering to I guess are both the migrants and the foreigners. The former provide the cheap labour to build the cities. The later bring the investment. Without the foreigners, China's economy fails. Period. Without the Migrants, inflation skyrockets. Period.
troublemakers = people who are full of shit.
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Aug 18, 2008
 
lct wrote:
I have no problem.
Kick the trouble makers out. We don't need them here.
If you kicked out everyone in China with a grievance against the government, there would be almost no one left...

Besides, the philosophy that it is better to cover-up problems than to fix them is questionable.

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Aug 18, 2008
 
If China really wants to participate as a world power it will have to learn to live with folks who don't always agree with them.
The U.S. is criticized bitterly every day and god knows this country deserves a lot of what it gets...especially in the Bush years.
The difference is we rarely imprison citizens for disagreeing with the government. We take foreign criticism in stride (usually) and when we don't, it's a sign that we are not mature either as a world power.
Criticism amd dissent (internal and external) is part of the game. Live with it, or go back 30 years...you know what that means.
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Aug 18, 2008
 
The Chinese did well in kicking out those Americans who are so ignorant and do not appreciate the hospitality of the Olympics host country. The Chinese did a great job as host and there is nothing for us to complain.

The issue of Tibet is none of our business. We have been venomized by our own government for holding a 'divide and conquer' and a 'contain' China policy -- China who had never attacked us or invaded our territory as in the case of the Japanese in Pearl Harbor and the Mexican caudillo aPancho Villa at Palomas.

Those idiots Americans cleaned up from the street should NOT be sent home to America. They should be send to Dharmsala where they can kiss the ass of the D.L. These Americans have learned from the 7,000 Tibetan monks and exiles who are the U.S. and Canada to abuse our hospitality. We have been generous to the Tibetan monks and exiles all these years by giving them safe haven from the land where they have caused all the problems. They abuse our generosity, using their stay as a platform to throws rocks at our good neighbor's yard. They aggress our fundamental faith value by calling their D.L. god and holy. They even address him as holiness. Why were you, Christian or Jew or even Muslim, member of the Congress so stupid as to award the Shit Head D.L. the American Congressional Godlen Medal? Don't you, members of the Congress, read your Bible, your Torah or the Hebrew scriptures, your Koran? Haven't you ever come across the first and foremost important Commandment of our Lord, God our Creator? In case you do not know or have forgotten. I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD. YOU SHALL HAVE NOT OTHER GODS BEFORE ME. YOU SHALL NOT MAKE YOURSELF AN IDOL.

The D. L. comes to our shores looking for help from us to restore his BUSINESS in Tibet. BEHIND US, he claims to be God and Holy.

Because you, members of the Congress, find in him a tool to 'divide and conquer' and a tool to 'contain' China, you awarded this Shit Head the golden medal.

Shame on you, member of the Congress, who voted for the bill to give this Shit Head the medal. Shame on you, Nancy Pelosi, who professes your Christian faith. Shame on you, Dianne Feistein, who professes your Jewish faith. Only our Creator is God and Holy. Holy shit! Correct your stupidity. Be trueful to your constituents. Recall the medal?

Send all the Tibetan monks and exiles to Dharmsala, where they will be more useful to serve their own kind. If Dharmsala does no longer want them back, fly them over there and drop them off with parashutes. These parasites in our country is stopping us from building a better relationship with China. We need a friendly China. We do not need parasites to tell us and to preach to us about 'love and peace.' We have Jesus Christ. About love and peace, we do not need it to come from a bunch of shit heads dressed as Little Red Riding Hoods

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Aug 18, 2008
 
Jesse wrote:
I mostly agree with this article, although it sort of goes off-topic at the end. Some will say that this is more Western media bias. But lets look at some of the facts...and I mean just the facts:
1. Many games were at 1/3 fill. This can be seen on television.
2. Many (I have heard 1 million) foreigners did not get their visa's renewed.
3. It has been near impossible for anyone...including workers / business managers...to get a visa to come to China to do the work they need to do.
Really? From NBC's broadcast, the venues seems to be at least 90% full. Maybe they just broadcast the more popular events.

My guess is that some seats are reserved just in case for people like Bush asking Hu for tickets. Someone at the basketball match noted that when Bush left early, whole section of the floor become empty as all those people turn out to be his security details. Also from Taiwanese source, people like Bill Gates bought out large block of seats that went mostly empty.
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Aug 18, 2008
 
The real troublemakers are in the Chinese Communist Party. True to form, China under the CCP has shown itself to be merely a larger, more liberal and wealthier version of the DPRK. The limits of a society manipulated by a dictatorship following failed and discredited theories, and with a resulting stunted and deformed civil society are apparent to all.
It is just another swindle by the party.

If the games were supposed to promote the "brand" of CCP-style one-party dictatorship, they have been a dismal failure.

In spite of the incompetence and corruption of the gangsters of the CCP, the great and sincere efforts of millions of Chinese people who wanted to do their country proud are obvious to viewers around the world.

It is a pity that they have been betrayed by the Party.

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Aug 18, 2008
 
Andrez Lopez wrote:
The Chinese did well in kicking out those Americans who are so ignorant and do not appreciate the hospitality of the Olympics host country. The Chinese did a great job as host and there is nothing for us to complain.
The issue of Tibet is none of our business. We have been venomized by our own government for holding a 'divide and conquer' and a 'contain' China policy -- China who had never attacked us or invaded our territory as in the case of the Japanese in Pearl Harbor and the Mexican caudillo aPancho Villa at Palomas.
Those idiots Americans cleaned up from the street should NOT be sent home to America. They should be send to Dharmsala where they can kiss the ass of the D.L. These Americans have learned from the 7,000 Tibetan monks and exiles who are the U.S. and Canada to abuse our hospitality. We have been generous to the Tibetan monks and exiles all these years by giving them safe haven from the land where they have caused all the problems. They abuse our generosity, using their stay as a platform to throws rocks at our good neighbor's yard. They aggress our fundamental faith value by calling their D.L. god and holy. They even address him as holiness. Why were you, Christian or Jew or even Muslim, member of the Congress so stupid as to award the Shit Head D.L. the American Congressional Godlen Medal? Don't you, members of the Congress, read your Bible, your Torah or the Hebrew scriptures, your Koran? Haven't you ever come across the first and foremost important Commandment of our Lord, God our Creator? In case you do not know or have forgotten. I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD. YOU SHALL HAVE NOT OTHER GODS BEFORE ME. YOU SHALL NOT MAKE YOURSELF AN IDOL.
The D. L. comes to our shores looking for help from us to restore his BUSINESS in Tibet. BEHIND US, he claims to be God and Holy.
Because you, members of the Congress, find in him a tool to 'divide and conquer' and a tool to 'contain' China, you awarded this Shit Head the golden medal.
Shame on you, member of the Congress, who voted for the bill to give this Shit Head the medal. Shame on you, Nancy Pelosi, who professes your Christian faith. Shame on you, Dianne Feistein, who professes your Jewish faith. Only our Creator is God and Holy. Holy shit! Correct your stupidity. Be trueful to your constituents. Recall the medal?
Send all the Tibetan monks and exiles to Dharmsala, where they will be more useful to serve their own kind. If Dharmsala does no longer want them back, fly them over there and drop them off with parashutes. These parasites in our country is stopping us from building a better relationship with China. We need a friendly China. We do not need parasites to tell us and to preach to us about 'love and peace.' We have Jesus Christ. About love and peace, we do not need it to come from a bunch of shit heads dressed as Little Red Riding Hoods
Lopez, you obviously have no idea what the Chinese authorities do to people practicing religion. Read some books

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Aug 18, 2008
 
Schnurdle wrote:
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Lopez, you obviously have no idea what the Chinese authorities do to people practicing religion. Read some books
Schnurdle, you obviously have no idea what organized religion has done to this world. Read some books.

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Aug 18, 2008
 
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Schnurdle, you obviously have no idea what organized religion has done to this world. Read some books.
Zsari, I'm well aware that organized religion is responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths. That doesn't mean it's right to imprison followers of any particular sect. I think we're on the side of freedom to live, or does the warplane send another message?

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Aug 18, 2008
 
You certainly have the freedom to live, but not the freedom to cause harms to others.
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Aug 18, 2008
 
The real troublemakers are in the Chinese Communist Party. True to form, China under the CCP has shown itself to be merely a larger, more liberal and wealthier version of the DPRK. The limits of a society manipulated by a dictatorship following failed and discredited theories, and with a resulting stunted and deformed civil society are apparent to all.
It is just another swindle by the party.

If the games were supposed to promote the "brand" of CCP-style one-party dictatorship, they have been a dismal failure.

In spite of the incompetence and corruption of the gangsters of the CCP, the great and sincere efforts of millions of Chinese people who wanted to do their country proud are obvious to viewers around the world.

It is a pity that they have been betrayed by the Party.
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Aug 18, 2008
 
Mirolyuba wrote:
The real troublemakers are in the Chinese Communist Party. True to form, China under the CCP has shown itself to be merely a larger, more liberal and wealthier version of the DPRK. The limits of a society manipulated by a dictatorship following failed and discredited theories, and with a resulting stunted and deformed civil society are apparent to all.
It is just another swindle by the party.
If the games were supposed to promote the "brand" of CCP-style one-party dictatorship, they have been a dismal failure.
In spite of the incompetence and corruption of the gangsters of the CCP, the great and sincere efforts of millions of Chinese people who wanted to do their country proud are obvious to viewers around the world.
It is a pity that they have been betrayed by the Party.
You know, you should just come out and say it: I hate Chinese.

But you know that no one will support you on that so instead you pretend you are a harden anti-CCP member. You use your attack on CCP as a disguise but the aim is actually at the Chinese people. Is it for tibet?

Should just be honest and show your true color.
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You know, you should just come out and say it: I hate Chinese.
But you know that no one will support you on that so instead you pretend you are a harden anti-CCP member. You use your attack on CCP as a disguise but the aim is actually at the Chinese people. Is it for tibet?
Should just be honest and show your true color.
In your little mind the CCP and China are the same thing. But they are not.
I love China.
I hate the criminal CCP regime that oppresses and robs the Chinese people.
For once, why don't you admit that the government and the country and people are not the same thing.

If China had a better government, I would love it even more.
I hope to encourage a China I can love even more.

It's not that hard to understand.

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