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Underage Chinese Gymnasts and Bogus Americans

There are 58 comments on the blog.foolsmountain.com story from Aug 23, 2008, titled Underage Chinese Gymnasts and Bogus Americans . In it, blog.foolsmountain.com reports that:

Let us look into the issue of “doctoring passports and falsifying documentation” and its ramifications in the Court of International Public Opinion, which is the heart of Kexin’s age controversy. I ask a straightforward question. Who was manipulating paperwork, and tinkering with due processes in the run up to the Olympic games? To put it more bluntly, do we have “bogus Americans” on Team USA in the Beijing Olympics?

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Toltec

United States

#1 Aug 26, 2008
Unlike China, USA is a nation composed of varied immagrants, that is many different races and cultures. Even so they were of correct age and therefore even if some impropreity occurred is very much less than a deliberate age deciet which cheats the system. Why does China have such a hard time playing fair? So instead of answering the question tries to blame someone else for daring to bring it up.
LOL

Morgan Hill, CA

#2 Aug 26, 2008
Toltec wrote:
Unlike China, USA is a nation composed of varied immagrants, that is many different races and cultures. Even so they were of correct age and therefore even if some impropreity occurred is very much less than a deliberate age deciet which cheats the system. Why does China have such a hard time playing fair? So instead of answering the question tries to blame someone else for daring to bring it up.
So how would you quantify fair? China provided IOC and FIG all of the necessary paper work from passport, former passport, housing permit and birth certification.

If all people have is that they are "Authoritarian" and therfore can forge any paper, how can people be sure the documentation for US athelets aren't forged? Its like people acussing US athelets of using performance enhancers but just didn't get caught because the drug they use are designed to go below the radar.
Trevor Swistchew

Coatbridge, UK

#3 Aug 26, 2008
China run by CCP
gangster no play fair
criminal
LOL

Morgan Hill, CA

#4 Aug 26, 2008
Trevor Swistchew wrote:
China run by CCP
gangster no play fair
criminal
You really are not helping either side with this kind of argument (infact, it probably does more damage for your case than for it), its better for you just not waste your time posting message like this.
nobeitt

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#5 Aug 28, 2008
Toltec wrote:
Unlike China, USA is a nation composed of varied immagrants, that is many different races and cultures. Even so they were of correct age and therefore even if some impropreity occurred is very much less than a deliberate age deciet which cheats the system. Why does China have such a hard time playing fair? So instead of answering the question tries to blame someone else for daring to bring it up.
They want to cheat and save face at the same time.
Amanda

Changsha, China

#6 Aug 28, 2008
Toltec wrote:
Unlike China, USA is a nation composed of varied immagrants, that is many different races and cultures.
No, not at all. China composed of varied ethnic group, such as I'm Meo ethnic, there are 56 ethnics and cultures in China.
Toltec wrote:
Why does China have such a hard time playing fair? So instead of answering the question tries to blame someone else for daring to bring it up.
Beacause most chinse people are not used to answering question throuth logic and science analysis. They are weak in 'reasonable cognition'.
Amanda

Changsha, China

#7 Aug 28, 2008
LOL wrote:
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You really are not helping either side with this kind of argument (infact, it probably does more damage for your case than for it), its better for you just not waste your time posting message like this.
I agree with you.
Truthbringer

Beijing, China

#8 Aug 28, 2008
Amanda answers the first question correctly. I'm Hui. The second question, however, is only half-right. They use logic and scientific analysis, more than most countries, coupled with extremely strong common sense. These are the fruits of hard labor.
Avenger

Moreno Valley, CA

#9 Aug 28, 2008
Truthbringer wrote:
Amanda answers the first question correctly. I'm Hui. The second question, however, is only half-right. They use logic and scientific analysis, more than most countries, coupled with extremely strong common sense. These are the fruits of hard labor.
Marxist Leninism and Maoism are very logical and scientific!! hahahaha........ The whole world laughs at that comedy! Poor China, they still do not get the joke!
Amanda

Changsha, China

#10 Aug 28, 2008
Avenger wrote:
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Marxist Leninism and Maoism are very logical and scientific!! hahahaha........ The whole world laughs at that comedy! Poor China, they still do not get the joke!
You may judge others only according to your knowledge of yourself.
I suggest you'd better learn how to understnad others and respect yourself.
lct

Beijing, China

#11 Aug 28, 2008
Toltec wrote:
Why does China have such a hard time playing fair?
Well, probably this world is never fair.

For example, To this day there are no hard evidences to suggest chinese athletes are underaged,( except a few media researchers said they saw reports long time ago and the reports are gone, and we all know a lot people lie on internet, and we all know a lot media lie in the past.) and yet there are so many people who went to hysteria to accuse. is that fair to the Chinese athletes?

For example, your president lied to the whole world about MDW so he can go a war for the profits of oil industry, is that fair to American soldiers, tax payers?

For example your president cann't deliver a speech to the public without a speech writer, cann't go on a debate on TV without some of consultant's help, Is that fair to Americam voter?
LocalBoy

Indianapolis, IN

#12 Aug 28, 2008
lct wrote:
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Well, probably this world is never fair.
For example, To this day there are no hard evidences to suggest chinese athletes are underaged,( except a few media researchers said they saw reports long time ago and the reports are gone, and we all know a lot people lie on internet, and we all know a lot media lie in the past.) and yet there are so many people who went to hysteria to accuse. is that fair to the Chinese athletes?
For example, your president lied to the whole world about MDW so he can go a war for the profits of oil industry, is that fair to American soldiers, tax payers?
For example your president cann't deliver a speech to the public without a speech writer, cann't go on a debate on TV without some of consultant's help, Is that fair to Americam voter?
Then why did you finance his empire ?

“wat”

Since: Apr 08

Kraut-City

#13 Aug 28, 2008
lct wrote:
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Well, probably this world is never fair.
For example, To this day there are no hard evidences to suggest chinese athletes are underaged,( except a few media researchers said they saw reports long time ago and the reports are gone, and we all know a lot people lie on internet, and we all know a lot media lie in the past.) and yet there are so many people who went to hysteria to accuse. is that fair to the Chinese athletes?
so what? there were allegations that for examlpe Husain Bolt was cheating too. now if the media found a comment from some months ago were he says he used "special enhancers", what do you think would happen? the media would love the scandal.

anyway... there is a easy way to stop this: let the girl make a bone test at a independent institute. they can tell the approximate age from the bones.
if this doesn't happen, then there will always be people who think that china cheated. but then again there are also people who will always think that bolt und phelps cheated.

“wat”

Since: Apr 08

Kraut-City

#14 Aug 28, 2008
lct wrote:
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For example your president cann't deliver a speech to the public without a speech writer, cann't go on a debate on TV without some of consultant's help, Is that fair to Americam voter?
so hu jintao writes his own speeches?
obviously he would never have a debate on tv, so he doesn't need a consultants help for that :P
Centrist

Canada

#15 Aug 29, 2008
LOL wrote:
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So how would you quantify fair? China provided IOC and FIG all of the necessary paper work from passport, former passport, housing permit and birth certification.
Wrong. Original birth certificates were not shown. For obvious reasons...
lct

Beijing, China

#16 Aug 29, 2008
LocalBoy wrote:
<quoted text>Then why did you finance his empire ?
Because 5% of your GDP goes to pay interest.:)
lct

Beijing, China

#17 Aug 29, 2008
dissident77 wrote:
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so hu jintao writes his own speeches?
obviously he would never have a debate on tv, so he doesn't need a consultants help for that :P
That is true. however He never boast he is the leader for the whole world. unlike his US counterpart, Our president never boast western style democrazy is the only fair system neither. Instead, my president said CCP's goal is to promote justice and fairness domestically and internationally.:)
LocalBoy

Indianapolis, IN

#19 Aug 29, 2008
lct wrote:
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Because 5% of your GDP goes to pay interest.:)
Think we will pay it back, or can we pay it back ?

Financing wars and influencing anothers political landscape is in conflict with Chinas non interventionsit position ?

If we destroy the Iranian oil bourse would you still want to finance us ?

I wonder if the reason China finances the US is because they dont want thir own citizens to be consumers. It appears the Chinese habit of savings is a big advantage that once lost may be a long time coming back
LocalBoy

Indianapolis, IN

#20 Aug 29, 2008
lct wrote:
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That is true. however He never boast he is the leader for the whole world. unlike his US counterpart, Our president never boast western style democrazy is the only fair system neither. Instead, my president said CCP's goal is to promote justice and fairness domestically and internationally.:)
By financing wars of aggression ?
LocalBoy

Indianapolis, IN

#21 Aug 29, 2008
Centrist wrote:
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Wrong. Original birth certificates were not shown. For obvious reasons...
Kind of like the little league world series, huh

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