Rider in pro road championships charg...

Rider in pro road championships charged with doping violation

There are 20 comments on the Velonews story from Sep 19, 2010, titled Rider in pro road championships charged with doping violation. In it, Velonews reports that:

An American rider at the U.S. professional championships in Greenville, South Carolina, this weekend has been charged with a non-analytical doping violation, VeloNews has learned.

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My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

United States

#1 Sep 19, 2010
At least this rider got justice through due process and everyone involved kept it confidential, thus the rider was treated the correct way.

I'm hoping that Joe Pepp isn't being given any special treatment since he is guilty of doping and cheating.

I never really liked the idea of the guilty party being given special treatment just because they hand over other supposed guilty individuals. Never know if the truth is being told here.
SpeedyPete

Centurion, South Africa

#2 Nov 17, 2010
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas wrote:
At least this rider got justice through due process and everyone involved kept it confidential, thus the rider was treated the correct way.
I'm hoping that Joe Pepp isn't being given any special treatment since he is guilty of doping and cheating.
I never really liked the idea of the guilty party being given special treatment just because they hand over other supposed guilty individuals. Never know if the truth is being told here.
Moep, I won't swear to it, I've heard a rumour that Drew assisted in this case and that's why justice prevailed.
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#3 Nov 17, 2010
SpeedyPete wrote:
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Moep, I won't swear to it, I've heard a rumour that Drew assisted in this case and that's why justice prevailed.
No, they probably used practicing lawyers here who have a lot more courtroom experience.

Cheers

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#4 Nov 18, 2010
SpeedyPete wrote:
<quoted text>
Moep, I won't swear to it, I've heard a rumour that Drew assisted in this case and that's why justice prevailed.
We all assisted, more or less: Jacobs was Landis' attorney (as article says), and Joe Papp was a 'Richard Young' witness against Floyd... Papp ought to be in prison but I couldn't put him there

Zeebees
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

United States

#5 Nov 18, 2010
ZENmud wrote:
<quoted text>
We all assisted, more or less: Jacobs was Landis' attorney (as article says), and Joe Papp was a 'Richard Young' witness against Floyd... Papp ought to be in prison but I couldn't put him there
Zeebees
Prove It!!!

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#6 Nov 19, 2010
There's someone asking someone to prove something that apparently he couldn't prove himself?

Why?

Why can't someone ignoble enough to smear comrades against whom he's been turned by 'INTERNET STALKERS' do his own research?

But since I have an extra THREE SECONDS to type into GOOGLE some key words, voilà!

QUOTE
In 2007 he came into the public spotlight when he testified at the suspension hearing of Floyd Landis, testifying that doping was widely used among cyclists and that synthetic testosterone can help athletes recover quicker from competition.

Papp told VeloNews on Wednesday that his guilty plea should not cast any doubt on the testimony he offered in the Landis case.
ENDquote
http://velonews.competitor.com/2010/02/news/u...

I doubt this constitutes 'sufficient proof' that I spoke truly, but frankly, Charlotte the Harrlot, I don't give a damn:

THE MOUNTAIN IS OPEN IN

zen2h03m
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#7 Nov 19, 2010
Prove It

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#8 Nov 19, 2010
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#9 Nov 19, 2010
SpeedyPete wrote:
<quoted text>
Moep, I won't swear to it, I've heard a rumour that Drew assisted in this case and that's why justice prevailed.
ZENmud wrote:
http://www.topix.net/forum/cyc ling/floyd-landis/TLVQ21RT6I0R A3UR1/post6
Pieter, you stated that Drew, while living in Genever, Switzerland had assisted in the case that had Joe Pap in it.

Therefor I had asked for proof of that statement. And then I had asked for proof once more.

So far, all I have seen is some rubbish that has only imagination in it, as there has been no real or actual proof provided here.

Cheers
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#10 Nov 19, 2010
Lets get some facts here for a change.

From the beginning and at that time when we all began here during the Floyd Landis case:

1. ZENmud said that he lives in Genever, Switzerland.

1.a. I believed it then and I still believe it.

2. ZENmud said that he has a JD or some related law degree.

2.a. I believed it then and I still believe it.

However, that does not mean that Drew David Shaefer (ZENmud) has been truthful with us then or now.

It only means that I have accepted him as I have accpeted anyone else as I have done throughout my life.

No one group of people have ever been able to make me change one way or the other. And trying to say that has happened with me is taking a very big risk onto yourself.

I have had to experience a lot of stupid behaviors throughout life and I wouldn't have wished a lot of these experience on other people. So I have very little tolerance for stupid people. Especially for those who lie and steal, as both offenses are trully the same.

And that anyone would behave so stupid towards others when there is no need in doing so, always makes me wonder why they cannot appreciate the freedoms that they crap on so freely.

Cheers Everyone

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#11 Nov 20, 2010
ZENmud wrote:
<quoted text>
We all assisted, more or less: Jacobs was Landis' attorney (as article says), and Joe Papp was a 'Richard Young' witness against Floyd... Papp ought to be in prison but I couldn't put him there
Zeebees
In French, the verb 'assister' has a meaning of 'spectator-ness'.

Eg 'on a assisté au match de foot'(we saw the football (soccer) match)...

I am always glad to expand the horizons of those without...

ZENjd
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#12 Nov 20, 2010
In English when one assists lawyers, one is usually there in the courtroom doing so.

If you want to continue with your imagination and delusional behavior of hugging and loving yourself, by all means do so. Maybe you'll even convince yourself of your impotence.

YES, by my traveling and meeting people all over along with interaction and learning from one another, I have broadened my knowledge. And I do that everyday.

Not even a nice try rating here Drew.

Like I said before, court lawyers with courtroom experience were at work there.

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#13 Nov 20, 2010
SpeedyPete wrote:
<quoted text>
Moep, I won't swear to it, I've heard a rumour that Drew assisted in this case and that's why justice prevailed.
Speedy, although another foul southern wind blows, I believe (100pc!) that you meant I 'assisted'(more than the average poster...?) through my 'due diligence' in blogging via WADAwatch, not that I was in the courtroom.

Actually, a great many of 'us' watched the internet web-casts of the first hearing, and some of you actually slogged through at least a portion of my 'Amicus Brief' at WADAwatch:
http://wadawatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/wada-wo...

So if anyone now, wants to pretend I was there (although your phrase could have been a simple joke!), in California, when I was 'over-there' in "Genever" (wherever that is?), I think it most posthumously funny!

CheersZEN
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#14 Nov 21, 2010
You're Delusional at best!
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#15 Nov 26, 2010
Always interesting when mudboy tries twisting the words around from others and myself. Just shows that he's unable to comprehend simple commentary.

But, considering that his follower, the South African mudbushboy first started this event, I see that he quickly departed here like a coward.

Considering that there were probably quite a few blogs related to cycling at the time, I rather doubt that the lawyers were really relying on any particular cycling blog for legal help. And lets face it, but "Trust But Verify (TBV)" was considered the most informed cycling blog during that time and still is.

Granted that the mudboys blog was also linked there in TBV, but there were several other blogs that provided legal backgound as well.

So, since one can only really guess that their blog was of help to the Floyd Landis defense team or any other legal team, it is only a guess without any real evidence of being anything else.

So, this is just another case of grandosity and delusional wishful thinking at best!

Cheers Everyone
Phil Gray

Bostic, NC

#16 Jan 1, 2011
ZENmud wrote:
http://www.topix.net/forum/cyc ling/floyd-landis/TLVQ21RT6I0R A3UR1/post6
This does not constitute proof, especially since I see your name nowhere.

Caught again embellishing yourself, with yet another lie
Phil Gray

Bostic, NC

#17 Jan 1, 2011
ZENmud wrote:
<quoted text>
Speedy, although another foul southern wind blows, I believe (100pc!) that you meant I 'assisted'(more than the average poster...?) through my 'due diligence' in blogging via WADAwatch, not that I was in the courtroom.
Actually, a great many of 'us' watched the internet web-casts of the first hearing, and some of you actually slogged through at least a portion of my 'Amicus Brief' at WADAwatch:
http://wadawatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/wada-wo...
So if anyone now, wants to pretend I was there (although your phrase could have been a simple joke!), in California, when I was 'over-there' in "Genever" (wherever that is?), I think it most posthumously funny!
CheersZEN
Nice of you to admit to a lie
Phil Gray

Bostic, NC

#18 Jan 1, 2011
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas wrote:
Lets get some facts here for a change.
From the beginning and at that time when we all began here during the Floyd Landis case:
1. ZENmud said that he lives in Genever, Switzerland.
1.a. I believed it then and I still believe it.
2. ZENmud said that he has a JD or some related law degree.
2.a. I believed it then and I still believe it.
However, that does not mean that Drew David Shaefer (ZENmud) has been truthful with us then or now.
I am truly sorry that I must openly disagree with one and two.

Although he may have visited Geneva at one time I surely do not believe he lived there. After trying to perpetrate this same lie on the UHC thread he was asked questions he could not answer about immigration and or visa requirements. This even occurred before he turned on me. Initially he could not even translate simple Swiss terms and has yet to to date. When asked about certain tax regulations he failed to answer those as well. When he talked about his insurance he spoke about a type of insurance sold to foreign travelers. when called on it (more than once) he avoided answering those questions as well. As a matter of fact months later he posted something about their health insurance and i checked it out comparatively to the U.S. insurance rates, again i called him on it multiple times he still has yet to answer.

As for number two.

he talked at one time about dropping out of college, Since his school still states he did not earn a J.D. degree from them, and he has yet to prove otherwise, let alone reneged on a bet, which would have proved he had one, only adds to the preponderance of evidence he doesn't have one, Add that into the number of people I have tracked down who actually did receive a JD from Franklin Pierce in 1997 which also stated he did not receive a J.D. along with them and you have even more doubt raised to his truthfulness.

He says he took the NYS bar exam and now accuses another person who he attacked on another thread of censoring the data posted about those who actually took the NYS bar exam, only those whose last name began with the letter "S" , because his name didn't appear.

What drew also didn't mention is even if that were true you did not need to be a graduate of an accredited law School to take the bar exam in 1997 even today you do not need to be a graduate of a law school.

Seems the preponderance of evidence lies against him and not for him

“I Love Life, People & Animals”

Since: Feb 07

El Paso, Texas

#19 Jan 2, 2011
Phil Gray wrote:
<quoted text>
I am truly sorry that I must openly disagree with one and two.
Although he may have visited Geneva at one time I surely do not believe he lived there. After trying to perpetrate this same lie on the UHC thread he was asked questions he could not answer about immigration and or visa requirements. This even occurred before he turned on me. Initially he could not even translate simple Swiss terms and has yet to to date. When asked about certain tax regulations he failed to answer those as well. When he talked about his insurance he spoke about a type of insurance sold to foreign travelers. when called on it (more than once) he avoided answering those questions as well. As a matter of fact months later he posted something about their health insurance and i checked it out comparatively to the U.S. insurance rates, again i called him on it multiple times he still has yet to answer.
As for number two.
he talked at one time about dropping out of college, Since his school still states he did not earn a J.D. degree from them, and he has yet to prove otherwise, let alone reneged on a bet, which would have proved he had one, only adds to the preponderance of evidence he doesn't have one, Add that into the number of people I have tracked down who actually did receive a JD from Franklin Pierce in 1997 which also stated he did not receive a J.D. along with them and you have even more doubt raised to his truthfulness.
He says he took the NYS bar exam and now accuses another person who he attacked on another thread of censoring the data posted about those who actually took the NYS bar exam, only those whose last name began with the letter "S" , because his name didn't appear.
What drew also didn't mention is even if that were true you did not need to be a graduate of an accredited law School to take the bar exam in 1997 even today you do not need to be a graduate of a law school.
Seems the preponderance of evidence lies against him and not for him
Good arguments there Phil.

I seem to remember when having made the mistake in thinking that Drew was a lawyer and when he corrected me on that, he stated that he hadn't taking the bar exam.

Even during the course of the Floyd Landis case starting back in 2006, I had slowly begun sensing that Drew was working with any legal dept of the UN by then nor on any treaties.

Seemed as though he was only playing around and making believe that he was doing something worth while. Just as he's doing currently there in Vail.

Cheers
Phil Gray

Bostic, NC

#20 Jan 2, 2011
ZENmud wrote:
<quoted text>
We all assisted, more or less: Jacobs was Landis' attorney (as article says), and Joe Papp was a 'Richard Young' witness against Floyd... Papp ought to be in prison but I couldn't put him there
Zeebees
Just like you drafted treaties and were the editor to the Director opf WIPO, LOL

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