Missouri's Prop C: Voters Set to Challenge Health Reform

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Missouri voters go to the polls Tuesday for the first-in-the-nation referendum on President Obama's health care plan.

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Get ride of our monkey president!!

“So it's not you, It's them?”

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Get ride of our monkey president!!
Get ride? Do you come with English subtitles? Illiterate much? What an idjit!
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Oh my wrote:
I'm not really sure why this has to become a dem vs rep....or a name calling and threat contest...it is just to discuss the proposition and opinions about it. I am NOT an Obama fan, and definitely not a fan of the "healthcare reform bill" in it's entirety. It does have some good points, but unfortunately it was passed waaaay before it was ready. The bad outnumbers the good at this point, but hopefully it can be made into something positive for all Americans. I do NOT think forcing people to purchase insurance as the government sees fit is in any way the answer to making healthcare affordable for all.....
I agree with you and I think people need to be wary cause although there are some good points in the bill in the long run I feel it's going to be a big nightmare for all of us in the end. I for one don't want the government controlling my health care. Right now I could not ask for better care, I have a great doctor one who actually will try and get you off meds instead of putting you on more like alot of doctors do, and one who also does not hesitate to send you to a specialist if you need one. We moved here form Ca. years ago and I have always felt the medical care here is far superior to what I had in Ca. Once the government is involved in your healthcare they can do whatever they want, they may say now that you can keep your doctor but whose to say down the road that won't change since nobody really understands all the ins and outs about the program. Just the whole way it was forced on us is a turn off to me.I for one sure don't want it as it stands now. If it's such a great system why aren't they all on it, why do they have their own special health care, think about that? What is good for us in my opinion should be good enough for them if it's such great program? My question is how do you put millions more people on a health care system and still get the same quality of care, you aren't going too, no way! And if people can't afford to buy insurance, they can't afford to pay the fine for not having it either. The whole thing makes no sense to me. I have friend that does not have Insurance, they both work and her husband's job offers it but they can't afford to pay out what their share would be for it. As she said they can make it mandatory for us to buy it, but if you don't have the money you don't have it so we can't afford it nor a fine for not having it. Her question was, where does that put us? Right now at least they get health care through the county system. There is alot more involved in this whole plan that people need to ask questions about before deciding it's so great. Affordbable healthcare for all sounds good on the surface but is it in fact affordable for all as my friend asked?
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Lmao!
In the Internet you can be anything you want.
Why do you choose to be stupid?
Many of the people that voted for Obama, have an understanding of what the healthcare bill does and doesn't do.
We don't listen to politicians, we research.
It's nothing like any other countries, it's like Massachusetts, where Obama won by 30%! Ask yourself, if it's so expensive for all those people, and all of them pay extra for it, why do they have an overwhelming majority that agree with it?
Hmm... Maybe your shepherds have misled you?
No, never mind, nobody will ever convince you of that.
Maybe it's your shepards that have misled you, has that thought ever crossed your mind? I've read up on the plan and I'm just as confused as ever. It has a few good points, yes, but for the most part I don't feel it's really going to be Affordabe Healthcare for all. When you are putting millions more people on a health system, it's going to cost someone, and that someone is us the taxpayers. Do you all think this great healthcare is Free for everyone, it's going to cost big time! And if people could not afford insurance before, how will they afford it now, and then if they don't get it they will be fined. Those living on a tight budget can't do either so where will that put all of them? There are tons of unanswered questions about this whole program still, and nobody really seems to have the answers. Seems to be if you have to pass a bill to start with as sneaky as they did Obamacare that should say something righ there, what are they hiding and why? I don't think it's going to be all so great for everyone? And what about people who don't have an insurance program they buy into like the military and retired military, how does this all effect them? Are they now going to have to buy insurance too, will they be dropping military health coverage for those that serve our country? How does all that fit into the picture, as I said there are many questions to be asked? Are we going to take away another military benefit from those that served their country and put their lives at risk for our safety? Are medicare fees going to go up due to Obamacare, etc. etc. Then they wonder why people are so aprehensive of this program? Give us some answers to our questions!
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Aug 25, 2013
 
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Hope it goes. The Civil War was fought over states rights. Missouri is a great place to live.
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<quoted text>Maybe it's your shepards that have misled you, has that thought ever crossed your mind? I've read up on the plan and I'm just as confused as ever. It has a few good points, yes, but for the most part I don't feel it's really going to be Affordabe Healthcare for all. When you are putting millions more people on a health system, it's going to cost someone, and that someone is us the taxpayers. Do you all think this great healthcare is Free for everyone, it's going to cost big time! And if people could not afford insurance before, how will they afford it now, and then if they don't get it they will be fined. Those living on a tight budget can't do either so where will that put all of them? There are tons of unanswered questions about this whole program still, and nobody really seems to have the answers. Seems to be if you have to pass a bill to start with as sneaky as they did Obamacare that should say something righ there, what are they hiding and why? I don't think it's going to be all so great for everyone? And what about people who don't have an insurance program they buy into like the military and retired military, how does this all effect them? Are they now going to have to buy insurance too, will they be dropping military health coverage for those that serve our country? How does all that fit into the picture, as I said there are many questions to be asked? Are we going to take away another military benefit from those that served their country and put their lives at risk for our safety? Are medicare fees going to go up due to Obamacare, etc. etc. Then they wonder why people are so aprehensive of this program? Give us some answers to our questions!
Read it again. Your way off on just about every point. It sounds more like your research consists of reading other people's information, not reading the bill itself.

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<quoted text>Maybe it's your shepards that have misled you, has that thought ever crossed your mind? I've read up on the plan and I'm just as confused as ever. It has a few good points, yes, but for the most part I don't feel it's really going to be Affordabe Healthcare for all. When you are putting millions more people on a health system, it's going to cost someone, and that someone is us the taxpayers. Do you all think this great healthcare is Free for everyone, it's going to cost big time! And if people could not afford insurance before, how will they afford it now, and then if they don't get it they will be fined. Those living on a tight budget can't do either so where will that put all of them? There are tons of unanswered questions about this whole program still, and nobody really seems to have the answers. Seems to be if you have to pass a bill to start with as sneaky as they did Obamacare that should say something righ there, what are they hiding and why? I don't think it's going to be all so great for everyone? And what about people who don't have an insurance program they buy into like the military and retired military, how does this all effect them? Are they now going to have to buy insurance too, will they be dropping military health coverage for those that serve our country? How does all that fit into the picture, as I said there are many questions to be asked? Are we going to take away another military benefit from those that served their country and put their lives at risk for our safety? Are medicare fees going to go up due to Obamacare, etc. etc. Then they wonder why people are so aprehensive of this program? Give us some answers to our questions!
Don't you just love the phrase "Affordable Healthcare"? Affordable for whom? Like you said.........we don't really know what it is all about. How many lies have they told? They are so sneaky about this whole thing and that makes me think not trust them. It's not even all about healthcare anyway. I think it is more about getting control of our very lives. When the government gets involved in anything.......things get complicated. Obama said we can keep the insurance we have if we like it and blah, blah, blah! However, he didn't tell the rest of the story. That insurance that we like so much may not be available to us. Duh! I wonder......is there anybody that has any real answers to this Obama trainwreck.........except, that I believe it is a train wreck in the making! Common sense tells me it will be expensive and somebody has to pay for this. Now, just who would that be? Hmmm!
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#19885
Aug 28, 2013
 
It wasn't working in 2008, it was 2 million over budget for the year and projected to be higher in coming years. That is just one state, multiply that by 50 and adjust for inflation and rising premiums and you have an even bigger failure. http://www.cato.org/policy-report/januaryfebr...
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No. He is a good and fair man. We should kelp him. Don't like him then vote him out next election the end.
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really??
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Only Me wrote:
If any single one of you ever tried to buy your own private health insurance you would gladly be in favor of any health care reform. Anyone that is against health care reform is either getting Medicaid, Medicare, has insurance where you work, or is irresponsible and does not have any health insurance at all. The whole issue of Health Care Reform is not about government forcing anyone to buy health insurance. It is about changing a corrupt health care system.
Amen, you are NOT alone. After 45 years of self employment and expensive, inadequate health insurance its about time something happened to health care. You stated the facts exactly right! The politicians should all be required to live on medicare or get their treatment at the VA instead of us paying for their quality care while struggling to pay for our own. What's not to like about forcing insurance companies not to bail on the customers who have paid through the nose for years after the first sign of illness? Insurance Middle men should not be in the middle of life and death care for people. Only in America do we have this insane system. Health care industry sets it;s own prices willy nilly. We have already received over 700 dollars in refunds because of "Obama care". A ruling that requires Insurance companies to spend at least 80% of the premiums it receives from customers for health care instead of fancy buildings, CEO bonuses and fancy advertising, and so forth. Glad to get some of that money back and now there are only tiny yearly raises in premiums instead of the leaps and bounds of the past. Wish it had gone back beyond 2011 and 2012. Go out and self insure yourself and join the REAL world.
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Yellow Dawg Democrat wrote:
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1. Yeah, this thread is dead, because "Prop C" does not trump federal law. "Prop C" was always a meaningless political gesture.
2. The healthcare reform was a step in the right direction. All parties agreed that healthcare reform is necessary. Generally, the Republicans resisted ANY and ALL changes, despite privately agreeing that something had to be done. As Bill Clinton said during his administration -- if the Democrats achieve a satisfactory healthcare reform, the Republican Party will cease to exist. Thus it is in the Republicans best interest, for self-preservation, to stand against any and all attempts to a meaningful healthcare reform act.
3. As complex as it is, certainly the present law is not the ultimate solution, but it is the ONLY solution on the table right now, short of completely voting it down. Of course, over time and experience, it would be possible (but unlikely because of the monolithic resistance by the Republicans) to "tweak" the existing law and make it better.
4. The lobbyists for the fatcat healthcare business will make sure that the congressmen they have in their back pockets stay there -- both Democrat and Republicans alike.
FINALLY a breath of fresh air and sanity! Has anyone noticed the GOP doth protest TOO MUCH! Sad that the reforms asked for are actually pretty small but several are very important and they are steps in the right direction.
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That may be true but Obamacare is going to make it worse for the middle class. I hope they tear it up and start over. If that thing goes thru we are under the government's thumb. They will totally control our healthcare and tell what we can and can't do. Doctors should be able to treat patients, not the government people sitting behind a desk that don't have a clue. Every person is different and one mold doesn't fit everybody. I am also sick of my car insurance and house insurance going up every time I get a statement! You are right, the middle class gets the brunt of everything!
CHEERS!
We are already under someones thumb. They are the ones who are the death panel. They tell the Drs and healthcare officials what they can and can't do. They are the middlemen. The Health Insurance Co. Obamacare is helping to put the thumb on THEM. But true they will get some of the benefits. However I don't think they liked giving refunds to customers with the new rules. Or having to insure people with chronic illness, or having no caps or being able to pick and choose their customers. Two years ago I fell and had an injury. The Doctor wanted me to get occupational therapy but the insurance company said no but allowed me six sessions of physical therapy. Put the blame where it belongs.
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I was always taught that, historically, people sacrificed their lives to provide us with the right to Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness. The "pursuit of happiness" is a guaranteed right, but not the happiness in and of itself. Do you have a right to healthcare-of course. Do you have a right to make me pay for it? Nope. Do you have a right to own a cellphone-sure, why not? Should my tax money pay for it-nope. You don't contribute to paying my living expenses so why should I pay for yours, regardless of what they may be.
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<quoted text>Maybe it's your shepards that have misled you, has that thought ever crossed your mind? I've read up on the plan and I'm just as confused as ever. It has a few good points, yes, but for the most part I don't feel it's really going to be Affordabe Healthcare for all. When you are putting millions more people on a health system, it's going to cost someone, and that someone is us the taxpayers. Do you all think this great healthcare is Free for everyone, it's going to cost big time! And if people could not afford insurance before, how will they afford it now, and then if they don't get it they will be fined. Those living on a tight budget can't do either so where will that put all of them? There are tons of unanswered questions about this whole program still, and nobody really seems to have the answers. Seems to be if you have to pass a bill to start with as sneaky as they did Obamacare that should say something righ there, what are they hiding and why? I don't think it's going to be all so great for everyone? And what about people who don't have an insurance program they buy into like the military and retired military, how does this all effect them? Are they now going to have to buy insurance too, will they be dropping military health coverage for those that serve our country? How does all that fit into the picture, as I said there are many questions to be asked? Are we going to take away another military benefit from those that served their country and put their lives at risk for our safety? Are medicare fees going to go up due to Obamacare, etc. etc. Then they wonder why people are so aprehensive of this program? Give us some answers to our questions!
Obviously you've "read up" on the plan from sources that haven't given you any useful information, just "it's terrible" no facts needed.

Read the plan, it has good points and bad, and there is plenty of information out there that includes both sides.
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Vote yes on C
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Who knows
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It never ends
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If you want to know about "Obmacare" go to this web site.
https://www.healthcare.gov/marketplace/indivi...
This is the site you will be picking your plan and applying, if you decide to go with it. I am very excited to finally get affordable insurance. If I got it through my job, I can't afford it and it really sucks. It would be 15% of my income.
The calculator on this site, shows me paying 3.7% of my income. That is after tax credits. So good for all of you that are happy with your insurance and doctors. Those of us who cant afford it, now have a chance.

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