No charges in MySpace suicide case

[morning glory]

kelly burnett wrote:

I don't like to express hate, it's not in me, but this woman really got away with something.
She will never know the hell, the parents are facing at the loss of their dear child.
I lost my sister to suicide, because her fiancee, broke her heart, and left her for another girl.
just to get back at him, she took a whole bottle of pills, it still makes me sick, even after 10 years.
her ex fiancee, has to live with this for the rest of his life, he even ordered flowers for her funeral, and has tried many times to apologize, but my mom hated him untill her death last year.
this woman will suffer too, one day.
my sisters ex fiancee married the other girl, she left him a year later for another man.
he is unmarried and lonely, with 2 kids to raise alone, my sister really loved him..... i gotta stop...i'm sorry people forgive me for going on as i have.......

So sorry for your loss.

[Lisa]

I too have lost a loved one to suicide. It is something that is hard to understand. I wish I could give him an excuse for why he did it, I just don't know why. And I want to thank "she should have been charged" because I change how I feel about Ms. Drew's culpability since reading your last post. You said it well.
Kelly, God bless you and I am so sorry for your loss. I have 4 bros. and only 1 sis, I can't imagine life without her.

[archie coates]

kelly burnett wrote:

I don't like to express hate, it's not in me, but this woman really got away with something.
She will never know the hell, the parents are facing at the loss of their dear child.
I lost my sister to suicide, because her fiancee, broke her heart, and left her for another girl.
just to get back at him, she took a whole bottle of pills, it still makes me sick, even after 10 years.
her ex fiancee, has to live with this for the rest of his life, he even ordered flowers for her funeral, and has tried many times to apologize, but my mom hated him untill her death last year.
this woman will suffer too, one day.
my sisters ex fiancee married the other girl, she left him a year later for another man.
he is unmarried and lonely, with 2 kids to raise alone, my sister really loved him..... i gotta stop...i'm sorry people forgive me for going on as i have.......

I cried at your words, as a medical examiner, I see suicides ever so often, it breaks my heart.
in life things go wrong, but they also go right again.
suicide is never the way out. please choose life.

[morning glory]

archie coates wrote:

<quoted text>I cried at your words, as a medical examiner, I see suicides ever so often, it breaks my heart.
in life things go wrong, but they also go right again.
suicide is never the way out. please choose life.

You are so right!Many a times,when I was younger I had thought about suicide.But I always think of this saying...."This too shall pass"....
It might seem like the end at the time.But things always work out.Sometimes it takes sooooo long.But trust me it does pass.

[archie coates]

morning glory wrote:

<quoted text>
You are so right!Many a times,when I was younger I had thought about suicide.But I always think of this saying...."This too shall pass"....
It might seem like the end at the time.But things always work out.Sometimes it takes sooooo long.But trust me it does pass.

I beleive we all have thoughts of suicide as the perfect way out, but its not.
For many reasons, but mostly because you only have one life to live, there are no second chances.
when I get suicide cases, I always get choked up, because these poor souls didn't stop to think that things can get better.
I watched on live tv, back in 1987, as R.BUD DWYER, a truly gifted city official commited suicide on live t.v., he left behind a beautiful family.
but mr. Dwyers case was a bit different, he was being framed for a crime he didn't commit, but had he not killed himself, he might have been cleared of any wrong doings.
there are no second chances after suicide.
my advice to those who are suffering, seek spiritual guidance, whether from a church, friend, relative, whoever, but please ask for help.
silence is louder than words, but not as effective.

[Iron Ranger]

archie coates wrote:

<quoted text>I beleive we all have thoughts of suicide as the perfect way out, but its not.
For many reasons, but mostly because you only have one life to live, there are no second chances.
when I get suicide cases, I always get choked up, because these poor souls didn't stop to think that things can get better.
I watched on live tv, back in 1987, as R.BUD DWYER, a truly gifted city official commited suicide on live t.v., he left behind a beautiful family.
but mr. Dwyers case was a bit different, he was being framed for a crime he didn't commit, but had he not killed himself, he might have been cleared of any wrong doings.
there are no second chances after suicide.
my advice to those who are suffering, seek spiritual guidance, whether from a church, friend, relative, whoever, but please ask for help.
silence is louder than words, but not as effective.

that must be hard , having to see suicides.
I couldn't handle it.
you must be a good doctor.

[morning glory]

I seen (or read) somewhere,about a study on survivors of people who tried to kill themselves.Of those that jumped of a building etc,.they all had a change of heart once the stepped off.They all thought,I want to live.
It can't be as bad as it seems at the time.Things do usually work out.I agree with Mr. Coats,please seek out help first.Someone could always help with another version of things turning around.

[Hmph This]

Hmph wrote:

Aside from my attitude towards the suicide, Ms. Drew should NOT have any charges brought against her.
If someone's boss fires them and calls them "incompetent" or a "screw up" and that person kills their self. We don't charge the boss with a criminal act do we?
If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

This is an amazing post! If a little 13 year old can't take the "heat" of an adult maliciously messing with their mind they should "get out of the kitchen"?

If you think what this sick woman did to that little girl is anything remotely the same as an adult getting fired and their boss calling them incompetent then you may have some mental issues of your own.

Tell you what, maybe you are right. Lets put it to the test!

Hmph, post your real name and some of the names of your family members in here so we can "turn up the heat" on them. Lets see if they can stay in the kitchen when people are out to get them and they have absolutely no idea.

You're obviously from a GREAT gene pool, so this shouldn't be a problem for ANYONE in your family.

[Lisa]

Hmph This
Thank you for so elequently stating my thoughts about this idiot. I think it must be a Drew family member so you are right about the gene pool. Who else could be so cruel as to suggest that this 13 year old girl should have been able to hold up to Drew's abuse. Adults have to be adults and let their children live their own lives, make their own mistakes. I am not saying they should not monitor their computer usage or where they go or who they see. But this woman and her vindictive actions on behalf of her daughter are ridiculous. She should have been teaching her about sticks and stones instead of worrying about what someone might have been saying about her over the internet.

[Just Wondering]

Did you go to CMSU?

kelly burnett wrote:

I don't like to express hate, it's not in me, but this woman really got away with something.
She will never know the hell, the parents are facing at the loss of their dear child.
I lost my sister to suicide, because her fiancee, broke her heart, and left her for another girl.
just to get back at him, she took a whole bottle of pills, it still makes me sick, even after 10 years.
her ex fiancee, has to live with this for the rest of his life, he even ordered flowers for her funeral, and has tried many times to apologize, but my mom hated him untill her death last year.
this woman will suffer too, one day.
my sisters ex fiancee married the other girl, she left him a year later for another man.
he is unmarried and lonely, with 2 kids to raise alone, my sister really loved him..... i gotta stop...i'm sorry people forgive me for going on as i have.......

[Henry Casmire]

Looks like they will charge the mother now.
She and the woman who set it all up, will now face a court.
This news will be front page all over america.

[Lisa]

Henry Casmire wrote:

Looks like they will charge the mother now.
She and the woman who set it all up, will now face a court.
This news will be front page all over america.

I heard it on CNN yesterday and was so happy for Megan's family that I pumped my fist and said YES! She should have to own up to what she has done. She has consistently resisted accepting responsibility. It will never bring back Megan but at least she will have some justice.

[Nummer Nine]

this is so great.
the mother and her mean friend need to pay for this.

justice nmay be slow, but justice does come.
hopefully this evil person will pay for her crime.
even if it just drags her to court and all over the news papers, it will make her ashamed and make her family ashamed of her, great role model, june cleaver, not!

[Brock]

My 13 year old niece hung herself over a boy's rejection. Don't you think we are missing something? Why are teens so fragile? Is there more we all do to prevent this? I agree with the person who said, it isn't just one thing.
So, the only thing we can do is change the law so she could be charged in MO. It was wrong & mean, but do we want more Big Brother looking over our shoulder. The woman will be punished the rest of her life.

[Lisa]

Brock wrote:

My 13 year old niece hung herself over a boy's rejection. Don't you think we are missing something? Why are teens so fragile? Is there more we all do to prevent this? I agree with the person who said, it isn't just one thing.
So, the only thing we can do is change the law so she could be charged in MO. It was wrong & mean, but do we want more Big Brother looking over our shoulder. The woman will be punished the rest of her life.

If she accepts responsibility but I have heard her blame it on others. I don't care about big brother I care about responsibility and there needs to be a way for people to have to accept it. Whatever is necessary it needs to be nipped in the bud now. I worked with a woman who came to work and bragged that she watched her 15 year old daughter beat up a 19 year old girl. She could not believe no one else was impressed. That is an attitude that needs to change.

[Claude]

Lisa wrote:... "I don't care about big brother." That's a scary viewpoint. "Big Brother" is synonomous with the notion that civil liberties are eroding through government intrusion into personal lives. If you don't care about Big Brother, you don't care about government monitoring your every move. "Big Brother" starts with George Orwell's book "1984". Orwell was way ahead of his time becasue he wrote the book a couple dozen years before the year 1984. And, he correctly predicted events that are happening today. He was talking about the such things as red-light cameras and the Homeland Security Act. He was talking about government devising ways of tracking comments posted like this very one by keying into keywords. The Megan Meier - Lori Drew case is an example of our government trying to litigate where it should be legislating. Lori Drew is a scapegoat for our governments failure to anticipate this type of thing and timely create legislation that addresses the issue. But, to use this case to prosecute Lori Drew for her bad, but not illegal acts is an improper use of the legal syetem. It's called selective prosecution, which is basically prosecuting one person when it is known thousands of people do the very same thing daily. Lori Drew is being prosecuted for a website "terms of service violation", not manslaughter or contributing to the delinquency of a minor. This whole thing turns the legal system upside down.. and anyone who doesn't care about "Big Brother" doesn't care about eroding civil liberties or doesn't know what "Big Brother" means. It a slippery slope when you start advocating more government, of any type.

[Lisa]

Claude wrote:

Lisa wrote:... "I don't care about big brother." That's a scary viewpoint. "Big Brother" is synonomous with the notion that civil liberties are eroding through government intrusion into personal lives. If you don't care about Big Brother, you don't care about government monitoring your every move. "Big Brother" starts with George Orwell's book "1984". Orwell was way ahead of his time becasue he wrote the book a couple dozen years before the year 1984. And, he correctly predicted events that are happening today. He was talking about the such things as red-light cameras and the Homeland Security Act. He was talking about government devising ways of tracking comments posted like this very one by keying into keywords. The Megan Meier - Lori Drew case is an example of our government trying to litigate where it should be legislating. Lori Drew is a scapegoat for our governments failure to anticipate this type of thing and timely create legislation that addresses the issue. But, to use this case to prosecute Lori Drew for her bad, but not illegal acts is an improper use of the legal syetem. It's called selective prosecution, which is basically prosecuting one person when it is known thousands of people do the very same thing daily. Lori Drew is being prosecuted for a website "terms of service violation", not manslaughter or contributing to the delinquency of a minor. This whole thing turns the legal system upside down.. and anyone who doesn't care about "Big Brother" doesn't care about eroding civil liberties or doesn't know what "Big Brother" means. It a slippery slope when you start advocating more government, of any type.

Sorry you are barking up the WRONG tree. I am all for red light cameras as I live with pain everyday from someone running a light. A titanium hip and nerve damage in both legs and I was only 18. My high school best friend was killed by a red light runner. Why should they have more rights than anyone else. I also think policing the internet is a great idea, there are pedophiles that use it to get kids and look at porn. There has to be a way to catch them and then prosecute. I say it again, I don't care about big brother, I am not a criminal and I don't have to be worried. I hope Drew goes to jail, an adult should be responsible for their actions.

[Claude]

LISA: Red light cameras are scams for municipalities to generate revenue and, in your state, noting that they are primarily used for generating revenues, are banned if they simultaneously include adding points against the driver's driving record. There is just as much evidence that red light cameras cause as many accidents as they purporting avoid. In simple terms, instead of taking the red light runners of the streets by adding points to their driving records, the drivers just pay the tickets, or refuse to pay the tickets and jam up the courts, but they just keep running red lights. RE: pedophiles and monitoring the internet, that's what parents should do. It sounds like you want to abdicate a parent's job over to government. Sounds like you're exactly the type of parent the Meiers are. Abdicate parental authority to a government, forfeit your civil liberties to a government that really can't protect children anyway, and blame somebody else for things you and your offspring are really responsible for managing.

[Lisa]

Claude wrote:

LISA: Red light cameras are scams for municipalities to generate revenue and, in your state, noting that they are primarily used for generating revenues, are banned if they simultaneously include adding points against the driver's driving record. There is just as much evidence that red light cameras cause as many accidents as they purporting avoid. In simple terms, instead of taking the red light runners of the streets by adding points to their driving records, the drivers just pay the tickets, or refuse to pay the tickets and jam up the courts, but they just keep running red lights. RE: pedophiles and monitoring the internet, that's what parents should do. It sounds like you want to abdicate a parent's job over to government. Sounds like you're exactly the type of parent the Meiers are. Abdicate parental authority to a government, forfeit your civil liberties to a government that really can't protect children anyway, and blame somebody else for things you and your offspring are really responsible for managing.

I know there are problems with those cameras and I am all for them working to fix them, not do away with them. The fact that there are more accidents is because they don't have enough cameras, if they were at every intersection people would get used to it. Those in those accidents are idiots anyway. Someone spots the camera and slams on their brakes and the person behind them trying to follow them through runs into them. After they were put in they showed some of the first footage and one of the cameras was at a school. Car after car running the light and nearly hitting a school bus. I think anyone who owns a car is responsible for it. If it runs a light once, no points, twice then start adding them. My opinion because they will know who was driving. There was a story in the paper how they can not enforce it anyway, 1 guy had 27 tickets and had paid nothing. Makes me sick, he should lose his license.
I have NO children so your judgement is NA to me. I have a problem with parents who think they only have little angels. I have a neighbor with such a child. But as for the internet, I think policing it is necessary. I don't think parents can be with their children 24/7. Children turn up missing all the time, proof parents alone can not protect them. The thing is that I think there have to be laws to protect people like the Meiers from people like the Drews. Lori Drew knew that Megan had issues and she, her daughter and an employee pushed all the right buttons and now Megan is gone. Do you approve of Lori Drew being able to create a false identity on myspace? In my mind that is fraud and should be punished. You can not simply allow the internet to go unchecked. As long as you are not breaking laws why are you worried anyway.

[Claude]

I happen to know how the justice system works. I know how government works. Anyone who thinks American jurisprudence is anything close to fair and balanced hasn't had an in depth look into it. The system is frought with selective prosecution, political cronyism prosecution and prosecutions who main purpose goes to making a name for the prosecutors office. In your area, perhaps your city, a mayor pleaded guilty to accepting a bribe to approve a red light camera company's contract to install, service, maintain and operate the red light cameras. The previous mayor in that same city was found guilty in federal court for conspiring to defraud a woman out of her business license because her husband had a political quarrel with him over some land the city was buying from that mayor's daughter. And that's just in your area. That doesn't count the hundreds of people who, the project innocence, have been found to be not guilty of crimes where they've served thousands of years in prison. The US constitution is a scared document written by reasonable and honorable men. Turning over more control of people lives tears away the protections afforded by that document. Those protections are known as civil rights. The courts are being used by overzealous prosecutors to for their narrow and misguided purposes. Giving them more latitude is dangerous. The Meiers might be knuckleheads, but they're being tortured by some prosecutors from a state 2000 miles away while the local prosecutors have indicated they did nothing illegal. Prosecution from 2000 miles away is mind-boggling to a fair minded system of injustice. Next will be some prosecutor from Kerstinkastan saying he/she has jurisdiction over the internet. No one has jurisdiction over the internet and it should stay that way. Let your state legislate a solution to problem and leave the Drews alone.