Anger Over St. Charles County Roads

Anger Over St. Charles County Roads

There are 37 comments on the Fox2Now story from Mar 2, 2010, titled Anger Over St. Charles County Roads. In it, Fox2Now reports that:

Deadly roads, with no room for error. A slight distraction, a slick spot or a strong wind could send you rolling.

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Duane

Chicago, IL

#21 Mar 5, 2010
I was at the town hall meeting when Modot said there was great, thanks to SOS and Joe Brazil for setting this up and getting this ball rolling.

I would like to help but business has me traveling too much.

We feel for the family's of those who have been killed. Two people have died this year, I feel terrible for those families.

Four children were left without a mother by one of the accidents. I wonder how the Modot people sleep at night knowing if they had started fixing the roads when we asked, these people may still be alive.
Kathleen

AOL

#22 Mar 5, 2010
These roads need SHOULDERS! People also need to slow down, get off their cell phones and pay attention! I am constantly watching the sides of the roads for animals and people. There is no safe place to pull over if there are accidents. A few years ago a Developer wanted to build a very large Development in New Melle. People were concerned about the increased traffic on our roads. The comment made was that the roads would be fixed years after the increased traffic demanded it be fixed. What??? We already have the increased traffic. There are Blind entrances to Subdivisions, no Guard Rails, etc... Yet we pay taxes out here like we live in Ladue or Chesterfield! 28 years ago today I lost my brother in a car and tractor trailer accident in Washington Mo. Last year our friend's son rolled their truck, our neighbor's girlfriend was killed after overcorrecting on a shoulder. A mother and daughter from our church was in an accident after heavy equipment fell off a truck going around one of the curves and the daughter died. Isn't it about time we make fixing roads in Missouri a Priority and stop worrying about the Beautification of an overpass or the flowers off exit ramps? We are certainly paying enough in Gas Taxes to get this accomplished. Our elected officials need to remember why they were elected and Stop feeding the PORK!
Lori-St Charles City

Saint Charles, MO

#23 Mar 5, 2010
As a person who visits my family in the area frequently and as a concerned Aunt with a Niece who has to take the bus to school everyday on these roads and not too far away from becoming a driver herself, there has to be a solution. Come on MODOT the next few years, 5 miles here and 5 miles there, that's your solution ?? How many more lives have to be lost for you to take this seriously.
Learn to Drive

Irving, TX

#25 Mar 8, 2010
slow drive and be more cautious stop trying to waste tax dollars ST.Charles County!
Read this on Carter Law

Troy, MO

#26 Mar 10, 2010
The economic recession has forced federal, state and local governments to cut back in some of the same ways that individual citizens have had to cut back: some good ideas have been put on the back-burner, and some commonplace maintenance projects have been put on hold. But what happens when someone is injured in a car accident because the government couldn’t afford to improve a road, replace missing signage or conduct a traffic study?
Although most people are familiar with lawsuits in which someone who has been wrongfully injured sues the person who is responsible, many do not realize that if a division of the government is to blame, then the government, too, can be held responsible. Thus, when accidents occur on the state’s highways, in addition to claims against the driver(s) who contributed to the accident, injury victims may be able to hold the Missouri Department of Transportation (MoDOT) accountable for their negligence with a claim against the Highways and Transportation Commission, the six-member board that governs MoDOT. An injured party may have a claim against MoDOT if their negligence in not properly designing, repairing or maintaining the road contributed to the accident.
Sovereign Immunity
Generally, governments at the state and national level hold sovereign immunity—that is, they are immune to lawsuits. Although the concept dates back centuries to the days when people were ruled by kings and queens, today the concept keeps the courts free of many lawsuits. If you don’t like what the government has done, you generally take your concerns to the ballot box, not the courtroom.
But what about those instances when the government’s negligence has injured someone? For these situations, states have enacted laws waiving sovereign immunity in certain instances. Missouri’s law, section 537.600 of the Missouri Revised Statutes, allows the state to be sued in instances involving dangerous conditions of government property. In practical terms, that could mean a poorly-designed road, bridge or overpass; an intersection without signage; a road in need of maintenance or a host of other issues involving government property.
A Balance of Justice and Public Services
The history of sovereign immunity in Missouri shows the efforts to balance the public’s need for justice with the government’s ability to provide basic services. In September of 1977, the Supreme Court of Missouri struck down all forms of sovereign immunity in the state, in the case of Jones v. State Highway Commission. Less than a year later, the General Assembly reinstated sovereign immunity, but carved out two important exceptions relating to traffic accidents: citizens may sue for dangerous conditions of government-owned property (roads and highways in particular) and negligent operation of motorized vehicles by government employees.
Initially, the Missouri Supreme Court interpreted these exceptions to apply only when the state had obtained liability insurance to protect itself against such lawsuits, but in 1985 the legislature acted again, adding language to the law indicating that the state could be sued regardless of whether it had insurance or not.
Read this on Carter Law

Troy, MO

#27 Mar 10, 2010
To prevail in a lawsuit against MoDOT, the injured party must establish four things:
1. That the property was in a dangerous condition at the time of the injury
2. That the injury directly resulted from the dangerous condition
3. That the dangerous condition created a reasonably foreseeable risk of harm of the kind of injury that was incurred
4. That a public entity had actual or constructive notice of the dangerous condition in sufficient time prior to the injury to have taken measures to protect against the dangerous condition
The third and fourth elements have important implications for the general public. They say, in essence, that MoDOT must be aware of the dangerous condition and the harm that could come from it. Although governments have a responsibility to regularly inspect their highways, bridges, signage and other infrastructure, the public should also be vigilant about reporting problems when they are first noticed.
Other Important Considerations
Frequently, auto accidents are caused by more than one factor. For example, a negligent driver may rear-end another car, but the poorly-designed off-ramp on which they were driving may have contributed to the accident. Our legal system allows for a sharing of the responsibility in situations like this, which is called comparative negligence. In such situations, a court might hold the negligent driver responsible for 70 percent of the damages and find MoDOT responsible for the other 30 percent.
Because many parties may have contributed to an accident and there is a limit on damages that can be awarded against the state, its important to discuss the individual facts of any accident with an attorney, who can help sort out which parties may be responsible.
The public has an important role to play in ensuring traffic safety is a top priority for governments at every level. So if you see a problem with a road, bridge, sign or other traffic-related infrastructure, take the time to report it to authorities. You could be saving the life of someone you know. Additionally, if you or someone you know has been injured in any sort of accident, talk to an experienced lawyer who understands the legal responsibilities the government may have and can advise you on your own legal rights
Duane

United States

#28 Mar 11, 2010
It sounds like the state could possibly be held liable for some accidents or deaths (depending on the circumstances of the accident). There's no doubt the state has been made aware of the dangerous conditions.
Sharon

Foristell, MO

#29 Mar 14, 2010
I have lived in this area for about 40 years and the roads just get worse and worse. I personally know 5 people who have been killed as a direct result of no shoulders on the roads and the constant layering of new pavement. When I first moved out here, it wasn't good to go off the edge, but you didn't drop 3-8 inches when you did. Now, if you drop off the edge of the road, and try to get back on quickly, the tires catch and when you do get back on the road you are thrown into the lane of on-coming traffic. OK, you don't know anyone personally who has been killed or hurt - is it ok until you do? Who's child, husband, wife, mother or father will have to die to get this fixed? I certainly don't want it to be any of my loved ones and I bet you don't either.
me me

United States

#30 Mar 14, 2010
ask obama for stimulus money to fix the problem. it has fixed everything else according to him.
Mary

Ashburn, VA

#32 Mar 17, 2010
I have lived in the area for over 10 years.I love everything about the area except for these dangerous roads. The traffic has increased tremendously since we first moved here. People need to SLOW DOWN , DO THE SPEED LIMIT & QUIT FOLLOWING SO CLOSELY TO THE CAR IN FRONT OF YOU. I drive the speed limit but yet have a parade of cars on my back every night at rush hour. The speed limit is 55mph, however it is also 45mph around the sharp turns. I am tired of worrying constantly about myself or one of my loved ones having an accident on these roads. I pass the roadside memorial to Bryan Frump everyday on HWY D & think of his life that was taken too soon. We do pay just as much taxes or more than Wildwood, Chesterfield, etc. It angers me that our roads are in the condition that they are in. What will it take for MODOT to allocate the funds to fix our roads? A family of four killed on their way to church one Sunday morning? OR a busload of elementary children injured or killed on their way home from school? These roads are a ticking time bomb & need to be fixed before someone else's life is cut short.
Terry

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#33 Mar 24, 2010
Well to add to the frustration and commentary here, my son just rearended the back of a quarry dump truck. Why? It pulled out onto Hwy DD and was slowly inching its way up the hill when my son come down the hill and because of a slight curve in the road, didn't see it until it was too late. As he tried to stop, he veered into the oncoming lane of traffic as another quarry truck was coming over the hill. As he saw it coming at him, he hurried to get back into the proper lane again avoiding a head on and smashing against the back of the truck......no shoulders to help in this instance. I DO NOT DRIVE THESE ROADS FAST, matter of fact, normally have a train of vehicles behind me by the time I get to one end of the other of Highway D or DD.....especially on weekends when the VISITORS are in the area and I have done almost the same thing near the quarry area!!!
Mike D

O Fallon, MO

#34 Mar 24, 2010
My wife spoke to the highway patrolman yesterday shortly after your son's accident, we're glad your son wasn't hurt physically. The highway patrolman stepped on the gravel MODOT put down and said "this isn't going to work, you need shoulders".
Terry wrote:
Well to add to the frustration and commentary here, my son just rearended the back of a quarry dump truck. Why? It pulled out onto Hwy DD and was slowly inching its way up the hill when my son come down the hill and because of a slight curve in the road, didn't see it until it was too late. As he tried to stop, he veered into the oncoming lane of traffic as another quarry truck was coming over the hill. As he saw it coming at him, he hurried to get back into the proper lane again avoiding a head on and smashing against the back of the truck......no shoulders to help in this instance. I DO NOT DRIVE THESE ROADS FAST, matter of fact, normally have a train of vehicles behind me by the time I get to one end of the other of Highway D or DD.....especially on weekends when the VISITORS are in the area and I have done almost the same thing near the quarry area!!!
Terry

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#35 Mar 25, 2010
And then to top it off, MY SON got a ticket.....for careless driving!!! What complete BULLSHI&*T! Know any attorneys that want to fight this for us??? at a minimal cost?????
Mike D wrote:
My wife spoke to the highway patrolman yesterday shortly after your son's accident, we're glad your son wasn't hurt physically. The highway patrolman stepped on the gravel MODOT put down and said "this isn't going to work, you need shoulders".
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Terry

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#36 Mar 25, 2010
I'm just saying it wasn't either of their faults....no one should have gotten a ticket....unless they want to give one to the quarry truck for not going minimum speed in addition to the one they gave my son. That quarry being at the bottom of two hills is the issue with NO SHOULDERS for accidents...I'm thinking they need to put in another lane there....that is the only way to fix THAT problem. The trucks being fully loaded, and even when they aren't, can't get up those hills at a speed that is safe for oncoming vehicles!!! The quarry truck my son hit was driven by Wildschuetz....a great family business and guys that we know personally....what a shame. They've hauled a many load of gravel out to us and can be called in a minutes notice. WE SURE WISH THEY WOULD GET THESE ROADS FIXED AND SAFE OUT HERE! THE STATE HAS DONE A FABULOUS JOB ON HIGHWAY 30 and 109....when is it our turn? I don't see pounded gravel on the sides of their roads like we have.
Tim

O Fallon, MO

#37 Mar 25, 2010
I suspect everyone who drives DD in that direction in the morning has come upon one of those slow trucks and had to slam on the brakes, I know I have and I don't drive fast. Permanent solution: Put another lane for slow traffic; temporary solution: Lower the speed limit on the hill to 40 mph.
Terry wrote:
I'm just saying it wasn't either of their faults....no one should have gotten a ticket....unless they want to give one to the quarry truck for not going minimum speed in addition to the one they gave my son. That quarry being at the bottom of two hills is the issue with NO SHOULDERS for accidents...I'm thinking they need to put in another lane there....that is the only way to fix THAT problem. The trucks being fully loaded, and even when they aren't, can't get up those hills at a speed that is safe for oncoming vehicles!!! The quarry truck my son hit was driven by Wildschuetz....a great family business and guys that we know personally....what a shame. They've hauled a many load of gravel out to us and can be called in a minutes notice. WE SURE WISH THEY WOULD GET THESE ROADS FIXED AND SAFE OUT HERE! THE STATE HAS DONE A FABULOUS JOB ON HIGHWAY 30 and 109....when is it our turn? I don't see pounded gravel on the sides of their roads like we have.
Terry

San Mateo, CA

#38 Mar 25, 2010
The doped limit there is 50mph.
Tim wrote:
I suspect everyone who drives DD in that direction in the morning has come upon one of those slow trucks and had to slam on the brakes, I know I have and I don't drive fast. Permanent solution: Put another lane for slow traffic; temporary solution: Lower the speed limit on the hill to 40 mph.
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Kathy

Ashburn, VA

#39 Apr 6, 2010
I don't understand why the speed limits to these roads are not lowered. It seems that a lot of people are against lowering the speed limit & I am not sure why. I understand that one reason is because law enforcement has no where to pull any offenders over but the police have no where to pull people over now so what difference does it make.
I have driven these roads for a long time. There are so many sharp turns & hills that it seems safer to drive 45 mph per hour versus 55 mph. At dusk, I purposely drive these roads at 45 mph. About 6 months ago at dusk, a deer ran out in front of me .My choices were to hit the deer or swerve into oncoming traffic. I chose to hit the deer. My car did have slight damage & I had no injury. I feel that my driving 45 mph helped me to keep better control of my vehicle.
Until we can get shoulders, lower the speed limit. Lowering the speed limit will cost less than the millions that the shoulders will cost. My hope would be that the majority of people would adjust & drive the lower speed limit if it were changed.

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