Not Hardly

Saint Louis, MO

#83688 Jun 18, 2013
Norton, you cannot pick a few verses in the Bible to back up what the true meaning of an entire Chapter means. It is called taking docments out of context. Are you sure you are not Mr. Issa? He is trying to do the same thing as I type by leaking a few lines out of senate hearing transcripts to fool the public. Facts are not facts until the entire document is presented to allow a full understanding of the elements involved.

That is why I cannot be a republican in good conscience. You repugs constantly attempt to make up your own facts, entirely based upon untruths. That is why you guys like FOX FAKE NEWS, A.K.A. Karl Roves's personal mouthpiece.
Norton wrote:
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No....you, Mr. atheist, are the one that picks and chooses, and take things out of context. That is why you don't understand the Bible and won't find out the real truth. Your head is hard, or harder, than a brick. You just like to argue!
CHEERS!

“KC's Son got a Meal Ticket!”

Since: Sep 09

Now the basement is clean!

#83689 Jun 18, 2013
Norton wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't watch and I will not watch it. I don't care who said what.......... I still think there were WMD's ..... period!
Now .... is that clear?...
Perfectly clear, "Norton"! You always fear the unknown rather than courageously seeking the truth!
garrfem

Mckeesport, PA

#83690 Jun 18, 2013
youtube.com/watch... …………… Ok Get Lucky
Bush Back in action

“KC's Son got a Meal Ticket!”

Since: Sep 09

Now the basement is clean!

#83691 Jun 18, 2013
Here's a present for you, "Norton": B.J. Thomas singing a beautiful song "An Expression of Faith" at Branson, Mo. The song is not specifically religious, but nevertheless contains a beautifully-inspiring message:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Thomas's better-known song, "Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head," which was featured in the movie "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid," is at the beginning of the YouTube clip.
Not true

Saint Louis, MO

#83692 Jun 18, 2013
Bush and Cheney were spying on Americans without a legal warrant.

The Obama NSA catches "keywords" that may indicate terrorism. Anytime you are on the computer on a public forum, such as Facebook, "keywords" are selected by NSA computer program. The FBI takes the probable cause to FISA and gets a warrant. Then the email or phone call is pulled for inspection. Obama is following the Constitution. Bush did not.
garrfem wrote:
youtube.com/watch?v=S2AQX3K5Ty oF …………… Ok Get Lucky
Bush Back in action
Hey

Saint Louis, MO

#83693 Jun 18, 2013
Repuklicans, stop trying to compare Obama to Bush. No comparison exists to link them. They are as far apart as day and night. The people spoke and elected Obama. If repuklicans would stop lying to the public and alienating millions of hispanics and women, you may have a chance at winning an election.

Millions of people are out of work, and all you gopers can do is take another vote on an abortion bill that has no chance in hell of passing the Senate. All you do is pander to your right wing christian Taliban base because your GOP officials are only worried about getting relected. Your wild ass notions are doing nothing to fix the real problems people are suffering from.

Got That Right

Joplin, MO

#83694 Jun 18, 2013
Hey wrote:
Repuklicans, stop trying to compare Obama to Bush. No comparison exists to link them. They are as far apart as day and night. The people spoke and elected Obama. If repuklicans would stop lying to the public and alienating millions of hispanics and women, you may have a chance at winning an election.
Millions of people are out of work, and all you gopers can do is take another vote on an abortion bill that has no chance in hell of passing the Senate. All you do is pander to your right wing christian Taliban base because your GOP officials are only worried about getting relected. Your wild ass notions are doing nothing to fix the real problems people are suffering from.
You're right, there is no comparison. Obama is far worse than Bush ever was.
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#83695 Jun 18, 2013
Norton wrote:
<quoted text>
We are not under the Law, we are under the period of Grace! BECAUSE........Jesus Christ died for all our sins! AND asked for one simple little thing from us and that is to BELIEVE IN HIM! You pitch out all these bible verses and don't have a clue what anything means.
CHEERS!
Norton,
Yes, we are no longer under the old covenant (the law of Moses). We are now under the New Covenant which was established on Mt Calvary when Jesus died for our sins.

We are now under the Grace of God. Yes, it is by the grace of God we that are now saved - but, this saving grace of God (although it is free) does not come without any effort from us.

1. HEAR - we must first hear the word of God,(THE GOSPEL).

2. BELIEVE - we must then BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD (THE GOSPEL).
(John 8:24),(Romans 10-17),(Hebrews) 11:6)

3. REPENT - we must then REPENT OF OUR SINS.
(II Corinthians 7:10),(Luke 13:3,5),(Luke 13:3,5),(Acts 17:30),(Acts 11:18).

4. CONFESS - we must confess our faith in JESUS CHRIST AS THE SON OF GOD.(Romans 10:9-10),(Acts 8:37),(Matthew 16:16-18)

5. BAPTIZED - lastly, we must be BAPTIZED FOR THE REMISSION OF OUR SINS IN ORDER TO BE ADDED TO THE LORDS CHURCH.
(Acts 2:22), Acts 2:35-39)(Mark 16:15-16)

We are also told in (Matthew 3:14-17) that Jesus (even though he was sin free) was baptized himself - because God said it was the right thing to do.

6. Then we must live faithful to God the remainder of our lives - and follow God/Christ's teachings which are found in the Bible -and we must never renounce God & return to a life of sin...

Molly

Harrisburg, AR

#83696 Jun 18, 2013
fart?
FYI

Saint Louis, MO

#83697 Jun 18, 2013
85% of the country disagrees with you. Can you post facts that brought you to this opinion.

Bush took us to war based on lies.

Bush allowed EPA to test pesticides on pregnant women, abused and neglected children, and mentally ill children.

Bush spied on Americans without FISA warrants.

Cheney allowed the Big Oil to write our energy policy behind closed doors. Democrats were locked out.

Bush policies bankrupted America.

Bush's mess was dumped in Obama's lap, yet you blame Obama. Come on.

Explain to us why you think Obama is far worse than Bush.
Got That Right wrote:
<quoted text>
You're right, there is no comparison. Obama is far worse than Bush ever was.
Norton

Kansas City, MO

#83698 Jun 18, 2013
1961 Alumni Rolla MO wrote:
<quoted text>
Norton,
Yes, we are no longer under the old covenant (the law of Moses). We are now under the New Covenant which was established on Mt Calvary when Jesus died for our sins.
We are now under the Grace of God. Yes, it is by the grace of God we that are now saved - but, this saving grace of God (although it is free) does not come without any effort from us.
1. HEAR - we must first hear the word of God,(THE GOSPEL).
2. BELIEVE - we must then BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD (THE GOSPEL).
(John 8:24),(Romans 10-17),(Hebrews) 11:6)
3. REPENT - we must then REPENT OF OUR SINS.
(II Corinthians 7:10),(Luke 13:3,5),(Luke 13:3,5),(Acts 17:30),(Acts 11:18).
4. CONFESS - we must confess our faith in JESUS CHRIST AS THE SON OF GOD.(Romans 10:9-10),(Acts 8:37),(Matthew 16:16-18)
5. BAPTIZED - lastly, we must be BAPTIZED FOR THE REMISSION OF OUR SINS IN ORDER TO BE ADDED TO THE LORDS CHURCH.
(Acts 2:22), Acts 2:35-39)(Mark 16:15-16)
We are also told in (Matthew 3:14-17) that Jesus (even though he was sin free) was baptized himself - because God said it was the right thing to do.
6. Then we must live faithful to God the remainder of our lives - and follow God/Christ's teachings which are found in the Bible -and we must never renounce God & return to a life of sin...
I agree with you, except just being baptized will not save a person. I don't believe a person will go to Hell because they are not baptized. The thief on the Cross was not baptized. I was baptized and I think most Christians are but I don't think it is mandatory in order to enter the gates of Heaven. What if you accept Jesus into your heart one day and die the next day before you get baptized? You think a person will go to Hell? I don't think so. Thanks, nice comments!

CHEERS!
Norton

Kansas City, MO

#83699 Jun 18, 2013
Yellow Dawg Democrat wrote:
Here's a present for you, "Norton": B.J. Thomas singing a beautiful song "An Expression of Faith" at Branson, Mo. The song is not specifically religious, but nevertheless contains a beautifully-inspiring message:
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Thomas's better-known song, "Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head," which was featured in the movie "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid," is at the beginning of the YouTube clip.
Thanks Dawg! I like B. J..
He is a great talent.

CHEERS!
OBAMA BIN LYIN

West Plains, MO

#83701 Jun 18, 2013
ROBBER THREATENS TO KILL SHOP OWNER’S FAMILY DURING STICKUP – HE WAS LATER PRONOUNCED DEAD FROM SINGLE GUNSHOT WOUND
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/18/ar...

http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2013/06/pro...
Contraire

Saint Louis, MO

#83702 Jun 18, 2013
Believe what you want. I don't care.

But to set the Hebrew Record straight for historical purposes to enlighten christians:

Isaiah 7:14 states in the original Hebrew Scriptures (Tanach), "Therefore, my Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the maiden will become pregnant and bear a son, and she will name him Immanuel."

Isaiah 7:15 He will eat cream and honey as soon as he knows to abhor evil and do good.

Isaiah 7:16 For before the child will know to abhor evil and do good, the land of the two kings whom you fear will be abandoned.

In Isaiah 7:14, the original hebrew word "almah" means maiden or young woman, not "virgin." Isaiah was talking to King Ahaz of Judah, who was wanting Isaiah to ask God to give him a sign to tell him when the 2 Assyrian kingdoms would stop attacking the Northern Kingom of Israel (Judah).

Isaiah was prophesying to Ahaz that his young wife will bear a son and, through prophetic inspiration will give him the name Immanuel, which means God is with us.

Thus in effect prophesying that Judah will be saved from the threat of Rezin and Pekah before the boy becomes Bar Mitzvah (age of accountabilty-12 years old).

The child that was born was Hezekiah, not Jesus. Hezekiah became King of Judah after his father died.

So thanks to the mistranslation of a simple Hebrew word, almah, to "virgin", a new religion was born via the Romans. The virgin concept comes from an ancient cult called Mithraism, which was one of the main religions being practiced by the idolators of Rome.

Jesus was a Jew, who by Halacha (Jewish Law) was commanded by God to marry and have children. His Hebrew name was Yeshu HaNotri. His wife's name was Mariah of Magdella, today known as Mary Magdellan.
Contraire

Saint Louis, MO

#83703 Jun 18, 2013
And I might add the fact that the Roman Catholic Church demonized Mary Magdellan in the Roman New Testament, cannonized by Marcion, because the Roman Church desired to negate the authority of women in its new, man-made religion. Mary is called a harlot in the New Testament.

Mary appears in the famous painting, The Last Supper, sitting on the righthand of Jesus. And the Book of Thomas says that Jesus kissed Mary on her mouth often. They were married. No doubt about it.

These facts inspired the book "The Davinchian Code."

So now do you understand that there is much more to historical facts about christianity than you will never be taught in Sunday School. The Roman Catholic Church claims to be the Mother Church of all Protestant Churches that believe in the "trinity". Have you ever wondered why the word, trinity, never appears in the Bible. It is because there is no trinity outside the occult teaching of Mithraism.

In Rome after the Romans killed Jesus, the idolators (worshiper of Mithra) and the followers of the "Christ" were constantly fighting and killing each other. Therefore, the Romans came up with a solution. The Romans created a compromise that would be pleasing to the mixed masses of people. They invented christianity. Voila. Everybody was happy!

But the Roman Church will never admitt that it has duped christians for 2500 years into worshiping a man called Jesus, who was no more a god than you are I. However, Islam reveres him as a prophet.

I am not a Jew, Christian, or Muslim. I am just a spiritual person who has done my homework and realizes that God gave me a brain and expects me to think for myself, rather than follow false teachings of men. If you really want to find God, seek HIM and you will find HIM in HIS reality, not man's. These truths are why I left organied religion after 40 years of being a christian. You will not find God inside stain glass windows. God is the Universal Consciousness of the Cosmos. No man can fathom IT.
Plead 5th

Piedmont, MO

#83704 Jun 19, 2013
Not a damn one of them.......they are all crooks, liars and thieves!!!!
The Sons of Mitras

Saint Louis, MO

#83705 Jun 19, 2013
Contraire wrote:
And I might add the fact that the Roman Catholic Church demonized Mary Magdellan in the Roman New Testament, cannonized by Marcion, because the Roman Church desired to negate the authority of women in its new, man-made religion. Mary is called a harlot in the New Testament.
Mary appears in the famous painting, The Last Supper, sitting on the righthand of Jesus. And the Book of Thomas says that Jesus kissed Mary on her mouth often. They were married. No doubt about it.
These facts inspired the book "The Davinchian Code."
So now do you understand that there is much more to historical facts about christianity than you will never be taught in Sunday School. The Roman Catholic Church claims to be the Mother Church of all Protestant Churches that believe in the "trinity". Have you ever wondered why the word, trinity, never appears in the Bible. It is because there is no trinity outside the occult teaching of Mithraism.
In Rome after the Romans killed Jesus, the idolators (worshiper of Mithra) and the followers of the "Christ" were constantly fighting and killing each other. Therefore, the Romans came up with a solution. The Romans created a compromise that would be pleasing to the mixed masses of people. They invented christianity. Voila. Everybody was happy!
But the Roman Church will never admitt that it has duped christians for 2500 years into worshiping a man called Jesus, who was no more a god than you are I. However, Islam reveres him as a prophet.
I am not a Jew, Christian, or Muslim. I am just a spiritual person who has done my homework and realizes that God gave me a brain and expects me to think for myself, rather than follow false teachings of men. If you really want to find God, seek HIM and you will find HIM in HIS reality, not man's. These truths are why I left organied religion after 40 years of being a christian. You will not find God inside stain glass windows. God is the Universal Consciousness of the Cosmos. No man can fathom IT.
Excellent Post...
Interesting

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#83706 Jun 19, 2013
Contraire wrote:
And I might add the fact that the Roman Catholic Church demonized Mary Magdellan in the Roman New Testament, cannonized by Marcion, because the Roman Church desired to negate the authority of women in its new, man-made religion. Mary is called a harlot in the New Testament.
Mary appears in the famous painting, The Last Supper, sitting on the righthand of Jesus. And the Book of Thomas says that Jesus kissed Mary on her mouth often. They were married. No doubt about it.
These facts inspired the book "The Davinchian Code."
So now do you understand that there is much more to historical facts about christianity than you will never be taught in Sunday School. The Roman Catholic Church claims to be the Mother Church of all Protestant Churches that believe in the "trinity". Have you ever wondered why the word, trinity, never appears in the Bible. It is because there is no trinity outside the occult teaching of Mithraism.
In Rome after the Romans killed Jesus, the idolators (worshiper of Mithra) and the followers of the "Christ" were constantly fighting and killing each other. Therefore, the Romans came up with a solution. The Romans created a compromise that would be pleasing to the mixed masses of people. They invented christianity. Voila. Everybody was happy!
But the Roman Church will never admitt that it has duped christians for 2500 years into worshiping a man called Jesus, who was no more a god than you are I. However, Islam reveres him as a prophet.
I am not a Jew, Christian, or Muslim. I am just a spiritual person who has done my homework and realizes that God gave me a brain and expects me to think for myself, rather than follow false teachings of men. If you really want to find God, seek HIM and you will find HIM in HIS reality, not man's. These truths are why I left organied religion after 40 years of being a christian. You will not find God inside stain glass windows. God is the Universal Consciousness of the Cosmos. No man can fathom IT.
I pop in from time to time to see what is happening on this thread. I believe the same way. I don't go to church much any more unless I am asked to share a talent. God is not only deemed to be in organized religion. God is in the visit to the nursing home and making a new friend who never gets visitors, buying v8 juice because he likes it, the early morning walk outside or late evening walk to appreciate nature, the expanding of my consciousness beyond the old and new testament. And truthfully, I have become a little ticked that someone else thinks that they can determine what should and should not have been put in the bible. My mother married into a catholic family. At one point, she asked the priest about a passage in the bible. He told her not to be concerned about it because she wouldn't understand it. He picked the wrong woman to say that to. She told him off and researched it herself. She was a very obstinate woman and I am turning out just like her. I don't appreciate the guilt of church members telling me I need to come more often. I don't need to. I'm perfectly content discovering the Universal Consciousness of the Cosmos on my own all day long rather than 45 minutes on Sunday morning. Reiki and meditation are awesome.
1961 Alumni Rolla MO

Rolla, MO

#83708 Jun 19, 2013
Norton wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with you, except just being baptized will not save a person. I don't believe a person will go to Hell because they are not baptized. The thief on the Cross was not baptized. I was baptized and I think most Christians are but I don't think it is mandatory in order to enter the gates of Heaven. What if you accept Jesus into your heart one day and die the next day before you get baptized? You think a person will go to Hell? I don't think so. Thanks, nice comments!
CHEERS!
Norton,
All I know is what the bible commands us to do. The bible also tells us to "lean not upon our own understanding". Now, would a person really want to take the CHANCE on their soul's salvation - because they personally don't believe a person has to be baptised to be saved?? The stakes are VERY HIGH here. And personally, I choose to obey what the bible tells us to do rather than "lean upon my own understanding".

Why do you think (in every instance) in the bible when a person was ready to accept the teachings of Christ, and wanted to be saved - the Apostles (or others) IMMEDIATELY BAPTIZED THEM???

Yes, when you are repentant of your sins & believe in your heart that Christ is the Son of God & that he died on the cross as an atonement for your sins - IT IS OF THE MOST URGENCY THAT YOU BE BAPTIZED IMMEDIATELY FOR THE REMISSION OF YOUR SINS!!!

The act of baptism is an renactment of the death, burial & ressurection of Christ. Christ died on the cross, he was buried & he rose again after the 3rd day.

Likewise, when we are baptized - the act of baptism is the washing away of our sins. When we have repented of our sins, and confes our faith that Christ is the Son of God, we are renouncing our old sins (putting them to death). And when we are baptised & (fully) immerced in the water, we are burying our old sins. And when we rise up out of the water - our old sins are dead & buried & we can rise up to walk in a newness of life.

Now, in reference to the thief on the cross - WE MUST REMEMBER THAT WITH CHRIST - ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE!!! And, did it ever occur to you that Christ was not yet DEAD when he told the thief that "This day you will be with me in Paradice".

So, if Christ was not yet dead - the thief was not yet under the teachings of new covenant. However, it's quite possible the thief HAD BEEN BAPTIZED FOR THE REMISSION OF HIS SINS... No person who has ever lived knows for sure... But, it does appear the thief was familiar with Christ's teachings...

“KC's Son got a Meal Ticket!”

Since: Sep 09

Now the basement is clean!

#83709 Jun 19, 2013
Norton wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with you, except just being baptized will not save a person. I don't believe a person will go to Hell because they are not baptized. The thief on the Cross was not baptized. I was baptized and I think most Christians are but I don't think it is mandatory in order to enter the gates of Heaven. What if you accept Jesus into your heart one day and die the next day before you get baptized? You think a person will go to Hell? I don't think so. Thanks, nice comments!...
Here comes "cafeteria Norton"! Picking what he likes, discarding what he does not like! And making up his religion as he goes.

A few years ago, the drought in Texas was so bad that the Baptists started baptizing by sprinkling, the Methodists were using damp cloths, and the Catholics were giving rain checks.

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