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You aren't going to ever be done with large language. He is all over this site starting argents for fun. Ignore him because its never going to end with him. He is toying with you on purpose. Look at the other threads.
I can recognize a troll when I see one. I find it amusing to actually "toy" with him, to see how ridiculous he can become. It amuses me.
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The Illegal Muslim Prez wrote:
NEW SHARIAH CONSTITUTION - Obama Administration is going to give Egypt 20 American-made F-16 fighter jets that cost U.S. taxpayers $200 million
Egypts Muslim Brotherhood President has just declared martial law and is trying to install a new constitution based on Shariah law. In response, the Obama Administration is going to give Egypt 20 American-made F-16 fighter jets that cost U.S. taxpayers $200 million. American servicemen will be expected to train the Egyptians on how to use our weapons.
The ACLJ is demanding that President Obama suspend all aid to Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood. All support must be cut off until Congress can certify that such aid supports U.S. national security and the security of the Israeli people.
Petition to Stop Funding Egypt & Defend Israel
To: President Obama and Congress
Another Shariah dictatorship on Israels border armed with American weapons is a deadly threat to Israel. All U.S. funding to Egypt must be cut off until we can certify that aid to Egypt will help the national security interests of the United States and Israel.
http://aclj.org/middle-east-turmoil/stop-fund...
This silly post makes me feel like sing'n:

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My SHARIAH amour, lovely as a summer day
My SHARIAH amour, distant as the milky way
My SHARIAH amour, pretty little one that I adore
You're the only girl my heart beats for
How I wish that you were mine

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According to the Hebrew Bible, the Jebusites (Hebrew: &#1497;&#1456;&#14 89;&#1493;&#1468;& #1505;&#1460;&#1497;, Modern Yevusi Tiberian Y&#601;&#7687;s ISO 259-3 Ybusi) were a Canaanite tribe who inhabited and built Jerusalem prior to its conquest by King David according to the Biblical account; the Books of Kings state that Jerusalem was known as Jebus prior to this event. According to some Biblical chronologies, the city was conquered by King David in 1003 BC,[1] or according to other sources 869 BC.[2]

Ethnic origin

The Tanakh portion of the Bible contains the only surviving ancient text known to use the term Jebusite to describe the pre-Israelite inhabitants of Jerusalem; according to the Table of Nations at Genesis 10, the Jebusites are identified as a Canaanite tribe, which is listed in third place among the Canaanite groups, between the Biblical Hittites and the Amorites. Prior to modern archaeological studies, most Biblical scholars held the opinion that the Jebusites were identical to the Hittites, which continues to be the case, though less so.[3] However, an increasingly popular view, first put forward by Edward Lipinski, professor of Oriental and Slavonic studies at the Catholic University of Leuven, is that the Jebusites were most likely an Amorite tribe; Lipinski identified them with the group referred to as Yabusi'um in a cuneiform letter found in the archive of Mari, Syria.[4]

As Lipinski noted, however, it is entirely possible that more than one clan or tribe bore similar names, and thus that the Jebusites and Yabusi'um may have been separate people altogether.[4] In the Amarna letters, mention is made of the contemporaneous king of Jerusalem was named Abdi-Heba, which is a theophoric name invoking a Hurrian goddess named Hebat; unless a different ethnic group occupied Jerusalem in this period, this implies that the Jebusites were Hurrians themselves, were heavily influenced by Hurrian culture, or were dominated by a Hurrian maryannu class.

Jebusites named in the Bible

Melchizedek
According to Genesis, the ruler of Jerusalem in the time of Abraham was Melchizedek (also Melchizedeq), and that as well as being a ruler, he was also a priest. Rashi points out that Melchizedeq was another name for Shem, son of Noah. Later, Joshua is described as defeating a Jebusite king named Adonizedek. The first parts of their names mean king and lord, respectively, but though the zedek part can be translated as righteous (making the names my king is righteous and my lord is righteous), most Biblical scholars believe that it is a reference to a deity named Zedek, who was the main deity worshipped by the Jebusites (making the names my king is Zedek and my lord is Zedek).[5] Scholars are uncertain, however, whether Melchizedek was himself intended in the Genesis account to be understood as a Jebusite, rather than a member of another group in charge of Jerusalem prior to the Jebusites - Jerusalem is referred to as Salem rather than Jebus in the passages of Genesis describing Melchizedek.[6]

Araunah
Another Jebusite, Araunah (referred to as Ornan by the Book of Chronicles) is described by the Books of Samuel as having sold his threshing floor to King David, which David then constructed an altar on, the implication being that the altar became the core of the Temple of Solomon. Araunah means the lord in Hittite, and so most scholars, since they consider the Jebusites to have been Hittite, have argued that Araunah may have been another king of Jerusalem;[7] some scholars additionally believe that Adonijah is actually a disguised reference to Araunah, the &#1512; (r) having been corrupted to &#1491; (d).[8] The narrative itself is considered by some scholars to be aetiological and of dubious historicity;[5] Melchizedek, as a priest as well as king, was likely to have been associated with a sanctuary, probably dedicated to Zedek, and scholars suspect that the Temple of Solomon was simply a natural evolution of this sanctuary.
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The Jebusite hypothesis

Some scholars have speculated that as Zadok (also Zadoq) does not appear in the text of Samuel until after the conquest of Jerusalem, he was actually a Jebusite priest co-opted into the Israelite state religion. Harvard Divinity School Professor Frank Moore Cross refers to this theory as the "Jebusite Hypothesis," criticizes it extensively, but terms it the dominant view among contemporary scholars,[9] in Canaanite Myth and Hebrew Epic: Essays in the History of the Religion of Israel.[10]

Elsewhere in the Bible,
the Jebusites are described in a manner that suggests that they worshipped the same God (El Elyon -- &#274;l Ely&#333;n) as the Israelites (see, e.g., Melchizedek). Further support for this theory comes from the fact that other Jebusites resident in pre-Israelite Jerusalem bore names invoking the principle or god Zedek (Tzedek)(see, e.g., Melchizedek and Adonizedek). Under this theory the Aaronic lineage ascribed to Zadok is a later, anachronistic interpolation.[12]

Jebusite activities in the Bible
The Hebrew Bible describes the Jebusites as dwelling in the mountains, besides Jerusalem.(Numbers 13:29, Joshua 11:3) According to the Book of Joshua, Adonizedek led a confederation of Jebusites, and the tribes from the neighbouring cities of Jarmut, Lachish, Eglon and Hebron against Joshua,(Joshua 10:1-3) but was soundly defeated, and killed. However, Joshua 15:63 states that Judah could not dislodge the Jebusites, who were living in Jerusalem ("to this day the Jebusites live there with the people of Judah").

Judges 1:21 portrays the Jebusites as continuing to dwell at Jerusalem, within the territory otherwise occupied by the Tribe of Judah and Tribe of Benjamin.

Certain modern archaeologists now believe that the conquest of Canaan by the Israelites under Joshua simply didn't happen, and that the Israelites actually originated as a subculture in Canaanite society;[13] some biblical scholars believe that the accounts in the Book of Joshua are cobbled together from folk memory of disconnected battles, with numerous different aggressors, which occurred over a time period of over 200 years.[13][14]

According to the Books of Samuel, the Jebusites still had control of Jerusalem at the time of King David, but David wished to take control of the city; understandably the Jebusites contested his attempt to do this, and since Jebus was the strongest fortress in Canaan they gloated that even the blind and lame could defeat David's army; an alternative, equally valid, translation of the Jebusite's statement is that they said David would have to defeat the blind and lame before anyone else.[5] According to the version of the story in the masoretic text, David managed to conquer the city by a surprise attack, led by Joab, through the water supply tunnels (Jerusalem has no natural water supply except for the Gihon spring). Upon its discovery in the 19th century, Warren's shaft, part of a system which connects the spring to the city, has been cited as evidence for the plausibility of such a line of attack; however, the discovery, at the turn of the 21st century, of a set of heavy fortifications, including towers, around the base of the Warren's shaft system and the spring, has made archaeologists now regard this line of attack as implausible, as it would be an attack against one of the most heavily fortified parts, and hardly a surprise.[15] According to many textual scholars the claim in the masoretic text could simply be a scribal error; the Septuagint version of the passage states that the Israelites had to attack the Jebusites with their dagger[s] rather than through the water shaft.
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The Books of Kings state that once Jerusalem had become an Israelite city, the surviving Jebusites were forced by Solomon to become serfs;[16] though since some archaeologists believe that the Israelites were simply an emergent subculture in Canaanite society, it is possible that this is an aetiological explanation for serfs than a historically accurate one.[13] It is unknown what ultimately became of these Jebusites, but it seems logical that they were assimilated by the Israelites. According to the "Jebusite Hypothesis,"[17] however, the Jebusites persisted as inhabitants of Jerusalem and comprised an important faction in the Kingdom of Judah, including such notables as Zadok the priest, Nathan the prophet, and Bathsheba, the queen and mother of the next monarch, Solomon. According to this hypothesis, after the disgrace of a rival faction in the struggle for succession to David,[18] the family of Zadok became the sole authorized Jerusalem clergy, so that a Jebusite family monopolized the Jerusalem clergy for many centuries before becoming sufficiently attenuated to be indistinguishable from other Judeans or Judahites.

The Book of Chronicles states that the inhabitants of Jebus forbade King David from coming to Jerusalem shortly after he was made king. Joab went up first and took the city and became chief and captain of David's armed forces.[19]

[edit] Classical Rabbinical perspectivesAccording to classical rabbinical literature, the Jebusites derived their name from the city of Jebus, the ancient Jerusalem, which they inhabited.[6] These rabbinical sources also argued that as part of the price of Abraham's purchase of the Cave of Machpelah, which lay in the territory of the Jebusites, the Jebusites made Abraham grant them a covenant that his descendants would not take control of Jebus against the will of the Jebusites, and then the Jebusites engraved the covenant into bronze;[6] the sources state that the presence of the bronze statues are why the Israelites were not able to conquer the city during Joshua's campaign.[6]

The classical era rabbis go on to state that King David was prevented from entering the city of Jebus for the same reason, and so he promised the reward of captaincy to anyone who destroyed the bronzes Joab performing the task and so gaining the prize.[6] The covenant is dismissed by the rabbis as having been invalidated due to the war the Jebusites fought against Joshua, but nevertheless David (according to the rabbis) paid the Jebusites the full value of the city, collecting the money from among all the Israelite tribes, so that the city became their common property.[6]

In reference to a passage[20] in the Books of Samuel which refers to a saying about the blind and the lame, Rashi quotes a midrash which argues that the Jebusites had two statues in their city, with their mouths containing the words of the covenant between Abraham and the Jebusites; one figure, depicting a blind person, represented Isaac, and the other, depicting a lame person, representing Jacob.[6]
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IToldYouSo wrote:
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So what if he / she is a troll? Get them banned, Fu-ck-em! Someone saying stuff that I disagree with doesn't bother me. I'm certainly always up for someone stating things so stupid i cant help but laugh at.
Whomever that Norton person is by far has more ridiculous nonsense being captured for years worth of laughs. The totally misguided or deliberate comments from that person in particular are better than most things a 4 year old says about the Easter Bunny, Sponge Bob Sqaure Pants or Pee Wee Herman! Don't ban them, TURN IT UP!
So, you think my thoughts are funny, huh? Well they say a good laugh is good for the soul.

However, most things I say I believe to be true. I can't help people that are ignorant and have no desire to know the truth.

Liberals have a whole different way of thinking than I do about politics.

Some people just sound plain dumb to me!!!!!
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Bible Babln BS Artists wrote:
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Jerusalem in the days of Abraham was called Salem...and it was ruled by Melkezidek ...he is mentioned again in the book of Hebrews ...you'd know that IF YOU EVER REALLY DID READ THE BIBLE...
Jerusalem was occuppied by the Jebusites...and NEVER conquered by Joshua because of the connection with Abraham and Melkizadek...There were two bronze plaques over the gates that reminded EVERYONE of this....Jerusalem stayed Jebusite until David snuck in through the sewers and took it... YOU WOULD HAVE TO READ THE BIBLE TO KNOW THAT...later the temple was built on the Threshing floor of Anarith (A HITTITE)...who was a JEBUSITE and they bought the land from him. Uriah "the Hittite" and Bathseba Davids downfall where JEBUSITES...the famous ZADOKS that became the family of High Priests ...appear at this time...and they are believed to have been JEBUSITES since that is a shorted version of of the name Melki-ZADOK.
Before you start making a fool of yourself ...maybe you should read the Bible...you think?
You are nothing but a Pharasee!
God Bless
CHEERS
Never heard of "Melkezidek", but I have heard of Melchizedek!:))))

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Truth Hurts wrote:
Norton,
Faith is a wonderful thing, until someone tries to push thier ideology on another. Then it crosses a line.
Someone seeking faith is another story, but random preaching and attempted conversion annoys the crap out of people. You might try preaching at church, thats where it's been done since the founding of this country.
Frankly I don't care if you believe dog turds are a sign of life on mars. One of the wonderful things about america, religious freedom.
Well, we know how you stand on faith! If conversion annoys people, then I guess that would be a sign that they have never been saved. Yes, Christianity is a great thing. I hate the word religion.

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Yellow Dawg Democrat wrote:
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I can recognize a troll when I see one. I find it amusing to actually "toy" with him, to see how ridiculous he can become. It amuses me.
How well I know you like to show your ignorance and try to make people think you are so brilliant.......you also like to copy and paste!:))))))

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Jerusalem is NOT Jewish wrote:
According to the Hebrew Bible, the Jebusites (Hebrew: &#1497;&#1456;&#14 89;&#1493;&#1468;& #1505;&#1460;&#1497;, Modern Yevusi Tiberian Y&#601;&#7687;s ISO 259-3 Ybusi) were a Canaanite tribe who inhabited and built Jerusalem prior to its conquest by King David according to the Biblical account; the Books of Kings state that Jerusalem was known as Jebus prior to this event. According to some Biblical chronologies, the city was conquered by King David in 1003 BC,[1] or according to other sources 869 BC.[2]
Ethnic origin
The Tanakh portion of the Bible contains the only surviving ancient text known to use the term Jebusite to describe the pre-Israelite inhabitants of Jerusalem; according to the Table of Nations at Genesis 10, the Jebusites are identified as a Canaanite tribe, which is listed in third place among the Canaanite groups, between the Biblical Hittites and the Amorites. Prior to modern archaeological studies, most Biblical scholars held the opinion that the Jebusites were identical to the Hittites, which continues to be the case, though less so.[3] However, an increasingly popular view, first put forward by Edward Lipinski, professor of Oriental and Slavonic studies at the Catholic University of Leuven, is that the Jebusites were most likely an Amorite tribe; Lipinski identified them with the group referred to as Yabusi'um in a cuneiform letter found in the archive of Mari, Syria.[4]
As Lipinski noted, however, it is entirely possible that more than one clan or tribe bore similar names, and thus that the Jebusites and Yabusi'um may have been separate people altogether.[4] In the Amarna letters, mention is made of the contemporaneous king of Jerusalem was named Abdi-Heba, which is a theophoric name invoking a Hurrian goddess named Hebat; unless a different ethnic group occupied Jerusalem in this period, this implies that the Jebusites were Hurrians themselves, were heavily influenced by Hurrian culture, or were dominated by a Hurrian maryannu class.
Jebusites named in the Bible
Melchizedek
According to Genesis, the ruler of Jerusalem in the time of Abraham was Melchizedek (also Melchizedeq), and that as well as being a ruler, he was also a priest. Rashi points out that Melchizedeq was another name for Shem, son of Noah. Later, Joshua is described as defeating a Jebusite king named Adonizedek. The first parts of their names mean king and lord, respectively, but though the zedek part can be translated as righteous (making the names my king is righteous and my lord is righteous), most Biblical scholars believe that it is a reference to a deity named Zedek, who was the main deity worshipped by the Jebusites (making the names my king is Zedek and my lord is Zedek).[5] Scholars are uncertain, however, whether Melchizedek was himself intended in the Genesis account to be understood as a Jebusite, rather than a member of another group in charge of Jerusalem prior to the Jebusites - Jerusalem is referred to as Salem rather than Jebus in the passages of Genesis describing Melchizedek.[6]
Araunah
Another Jebusite, Araunah (referred to as Ornan by the Book of Chronicles) is described by the Books of Samuel as having sold his threshing floor to King David, which David then constructed an altar on, the implication being that the altar became the core of the Temple of Solomon. Araunah means the lord in Hittite, and so most scholars, since they consider the Jebusites to have been Hittite, have argued that Araunah may have been another king of Jerusalem;[7] some scholars additionally believe that Adonijah is actually a disguised reference to Araunah, the &#1512; (r) having been corrupted to &#1491; (d).[8] The narrative itself is considered by some scholars to be aetiological and of dubious historicity;[5] Melchizedek, as a priest as well as king, was likely to have been associated with a sanctuary, probably dedicated to Zedek, and scholars su
copy and paste........copy and paste, etc.

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Trurh Hurts wrote:
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Rutan used thier data, charts and graphs not his. Then applied them in a true statistical analysis with no bias.
I believe in the global teperature rise, just not the human c02 impact. The data doesn't support it, my opinion.
I don't agree that this is entirely the result of data from other climate sciences. As I said, the chart comparing our temperature to the Medeival Warming Period is incorrect. The mean temperature at that time was lower than the current mean. It is clearly evidence that he is intentionally cooking the results to favor his view. A detail like that isn't accidentally missed in a thurough review of the subject. I remain unconvinced and Rutan's presentation has done nothing to change that.

I do appreciate you providing it though. It is very interesting. Rutan is wrong about science in a big way. Whether intentional or through ignorance, I cannot say, but even he has a lot to learn.

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copy and paste........copy and paste, etc.
Want a cracker?

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are Norton and SPC the same person?

I get this vibe on both:

http://static1.firedoglake.com/29/files/2012/...

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Norton wrote:
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Scoffer! He did not say he would come back in their lifetime. They THOUGHT HE WOULD! God's timetable is different than ours.
Read 'EVIDENCE THAT DEMANDS A VERDICT'!
CHEERS!
In the bible, he told them it would be in their lifetime. Get to know your own stupid book.

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1Watt Hermit wrote:
are Norton and SPC the same person?
I get this vibe on both:
http://static1.firedoglake.com/29/files/2012/...
Verdamt!

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Yellow Dawg Democrat wrote:
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<.snicker!.>
Oh mercy, he is such a putz;0)

**snorts**

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What were satans words when he offered the world to satan again? I don't read that bit much.
Ah, the truth begins to come out. You don't read the bible and you probably don't own one or it would be right at hand. Just another 'cafeterian christian.'

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I must point out that it takes a certain amount of "faith" to believe that the entire universe was formed from a certain "singularity" which magically came into existence. Similarly: POOF!
lol!

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Yellow Dawg Democrat wrote:
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Yes, my judgment has been in error lots of times. And I have broken "man's laws" many times. But, like you, I have never sinned.
Religion is useful for many reasons: comfort, psychological well-being, explanation of the inexplicable, social contact, moral teaching. But I do not miss the "restrictions" of the Bible. Nor do I miss the moral judgments made by the clueless adherents to their particular brand of religion.
Yes, religion does promote (mostly NT) love and compassionate behavior and all good things.

I remember when I was still teaching a Sunday School Class, the lesson plan was about the sins of people who called themselves "Humanists" and explained in great detail how their actions, not being through Christ, were wothless and pitiable. Yes, you guessed it. Hades for them.

Had I ever taught about the sins of pedophiles, rapists,etc. I would probably been thrown out of the church. Good grief, the Bible has enough sex, adultery, rape, drunkeness in it to make a soap opera!

*sighs*
Nortons Bible is FOX NEWS

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Norton wrote:
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copy and paste........copy and paste, etc.
Bulls--t and ingnorance....Bulls--it and ingnorance, etc.

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