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IToldYouSo

O Fallon, MO

#72603 Dec 10, 2012
Truth Hurts wrote:
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Here ya go Danno,
I hope you understand statistics, no sarcasm involved.
Burt Rutan won the x-prize, first civilian launch into space.
Brilliant aeronautical engineer, his take on global warming.
I'll take this over this over the un any day.
http://burtrutan.com/burtrutan/downloads/Engr...
Either you are hopping Proxy Servers, changing your location manually or flying in some type of aircraft with a Scram Jet for propulsion to go from Colorado to Illinois in 43 minutes.

Rutan makes some valid points however, I'll stand by my statement. Humans have done an excellent job polluting the planet but seem to be foot dragging in order to save it. There's always the ROI some bean counter saying it will cost too much. My question is what's the value of anything if one's not there to enjoy it?
IToldYouSo

O Fallon, MO

#72604 Dec 10, 2012
Truth Hurts wrote:
Hey, ItoldYouSo.
Everything going on around you is about two things.
Money and power, nothing more nothing less.
And Religion is seated in those two vices as well. They have started more wars and killed more people than anything else.
Truth hurts

Brookfield, MO

#72605 Dec 10, 2012
IToldYouSo wrote:
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Either you are hopping Proxy Servers, changing your location manually or flying in some type of aircraft with a Scram Jet for propulsion to go from Colorado to Illinois in 43 minutes.
Rutan makes some valid points however, I'll stand by my statement. Humans have done an excellent job polluting the planet but seem to be foot dragging in order to save it. There's always the ROI some bean counter saying it will cost too much. My question is what's the value of anything if one's not there to enjoy it?
I'll start with thr location dealio,
Satellite internet, not sure why it bounces my location around but it doesn't bother me a bit. You have no idea where I am LOL!

On the Rutan link, there is no way you absorbed that entire presentation in that length of time.

I will agree with the pollution aspect, the EPA "which is now over reaching" did a darn good job cleaning up water ways and with air pollution. That being said c02 is not pollution, it's essential to life on this rock. I'm with Burt on this one, pump some more. Mabey we can grow food in alaska.
Truth hurts

United States

#72606 Dec 10, 2012
IToldYouSo wrote:
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And Religion is seated in those two vices as well. They have started more wars and killed more people than anything else.
Religion is power over people, thats why it exists.
IToldYouSo

O Fallon, MO

#72607 Dec 10, 2012
Truth hurts wrote:
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I'll start with thr location dealio,
Satellite internet, not sure why it bounces my location around but it doesn't bother me a bit. You have no idea where I am LOL!
On the Rutan link, there is no way you absorbed that entire presentation in that length of time.
I will agree with the pollution aspect, the EPA "which is now over reaching" did a darn good job cleaning up water ways and with air pollution. That being said c02 is not pollution, it's essential to life on this rock. I'm with Burt on this one, pump some more. Mabey we can grow food in alaska.
Not difficult to absorb since I read his report roughly a year ago. He's one of my aerospace hero's just like John Glen, Neal Armstrong and Elan Musk.

Can't agree with Burt on this one though, it's great for the Tree's and plant's no question. The shorter winters are also great for insects like Mosquito's which can carry deadly viruses.

The warmer temps also melt ice in places I'd rather see remain the same. I'm no fan of Los Angeles or Miami, but the 10 - 15 million people that live there will have to start migrating at some point to higher ground. I like the semi sparseness Missouri offers personally.

Not that concerned about your location just made an observation.
IToldYouSo

O Fallon, MO

#72608 Dec 10, 2012
Truth hurts wrote:
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Religion is power over people, thats why it exists.
Exactly, there's plenty of money and power to be made in religion. Enchant a people and you can control them for as long as you want.

“Help religion science wander”

Since: Jan 11

into the night.

#72609 Dec 10, 2012
IToldYouSo wrote:
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I agree with you on the Global Warming bit however, Truth Hurts makes some valid points in that post. All formal religions are nothing more than cults manipulating and brainwashing their followers. Politics are the same way when you really think about it.
Going back to the Global Warming issue, the scientists even if they are wrong what real difference does it make. The planet is going to be at a point where WE and most of the living creatures will not longer be able to survive if nothing is done.
God fearing humans have figured out ways to kill us all quite effectively. Now that our children will be facing hardship, we as humans are doing what we do best, letting let greed and vice send us down a path to destruction.
We have sent people into space, have seen them walk on the moon all in the name of prestige yet can't seem to muster the good sense to try and stop the cataclysm upon us. These days MONEY IS GOD regardless what people believe in.
Noted. I agree to the similarities between religion and politics.

There may be technical fixes that could help. We haven't gone over the edge yet. Energy independence and alternative energy sources would help, especially those with low/no footprint. We could even infiltrate the upper atmosphere with sulfur dioxide to cause cooling. I don't know if it would work or if it is even feasible, but that is one of the vulcanic gases released in the upper atmosphere that have been known to cause global temperature reductions.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you on the point about money. The worst man on earth is a great guy if he has a lot of money.

It sounds like I should reread the posts in question.

“KC's Son got a Meal Ticket!”

Since: Sep 09

Now the basement is clean!

#72610 Dec 10, 2012
The Illegal Muslim Prez wrote:
HOW VERY SAD THE LIBERALS DON'T UNDERSTAND HISTORY.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup...
We understand enough history to know that President Obama is neither a Hitler nor a Castro.

We know enough history to understand that the Obama-Romney election was not like the 1980 Carter-Reagan election.

As for you, the only "history" you need to know is that President Obama won the 2012 election. Quitcherbitchin'!

You will have yet another chance in 2016, when Hillary Clinton will defeat you Neo-CONs, if you stay as monolithic and extremist right-wing as you are now.
Truth Hurts

Brookfield, MO

#72611 Dec 10, 2012
You people have bought into a ruse that is man made global warming.

It's all about money, a new tax. We are flat broke and looking for new revenue, and so is europe.

"gee lets scare the people out of thier money for the planet"

Fools believe this.
The GOPs DICK Army

Saint Louis, MO

#72612 Dec 10, 2012
WASHINGTON -- The Republican Party and stupid statements by some candidates are to blame for GOP losses in last month's congressional elections, the former leader of a tea party group said Monday.

Dick Armey, who until recently led the conservative group FreedomWorks, said some GOP candidates said "stupid things" that party leaders should have taught them to avoid saying. He said Republicans had a lot of candidates who did "dumb things" during their campaigns.

Armey, a former Republican House majority leader from Texas, did not specifically mention controversial comments about rape by GOP Senate candidates in Indiana and Missouri that contributed to their defeats in November. Republicans had been hoping to win control of the Senate but ended up losing seats instead, and they lost strength in the House as well.

Armey said it is the party's job to support and train candidates.

He left FreedomWorks after an internal dispute about the group's direction.

Armey made his remarks on "This Morning" on CBS.

“Help religion science wander”

Since: Jan 11

into the night.

#72613 Dec 10, 2012
Truth Hurts wrote:
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Here ya go Danno,
I hope you understand statistics, no sarcasm involved.
Burt Rutan won the x-prize, first civilian launch into space.
Brilliant aeronautical engineer, his take on global warming.
I'll take this over this over the un any day.
http://burtrutan.com/burtrutan/downloads/Engr...
Some of his graphs are incorrect. The mideival warming period had a lower overall mean global temperature than what we are experiencing.

The Population Bomb was correct based on the data that was available at the time. However, Norm Borlaug and the Green Revolution came along with a technical fix to address the problems highlighted in that book. A short sighted interpretation.

DDT saved millions of lives and helped win World War II, but Silent Spring exposed it for the ecological nightmare that it was becoming. At some point, it would have done far more damage and deaths than it saved. Silent Spring was not an opinion piece. Carson used scientific data to come to her conclusions. 50 years later no one has refuted those conclusions. Besides, newer more powerful and ecologically safer chemistry came on line to replace DDT. The thing about DDT is that it is an incredibly stable molecule. It doesn't break down easily into inactive metabolites and stays around in biological systems for a long time. It is estimated that human back fat contains as much as 7% DDT and it has been banned in the United States since 1972. It hasn't been banned everywhere, so I am not sure where Rutan comes up with his millions of deaths.

Global warming and climate change are essentially the same thing. His list of overblown "scares" really isn't all that well researched or thought out.

His view of the scientific method is oversimplified and wrong.

CO2 is essential for life, but so is water. Unless you happen to be under thirty feet of it with no oxygen. It is relative. Too much oxygen can be dangerous too. Hence, no smoking in the oxygen tent. Rutan is doing so well here in making his case. He better stick to engineering and self promotion.

I am not sure what the CO2 emissions of the human body have to do with anything. I am not even sure if he is correct. It sounds like he is saying that climate scientists are trying to say that the CO2 coming off the human body is the cause of global warming. No one, NO ONE, is saying that.

Admittedly, CO2 is not the only greenhouse gas and methane for instance has a much greater potential at raising temperatures through infiltration of the atmosphere. However, Rutan mentions the CO2 levels during the Age of Dinosaurs as being 4X greater than today. It was also much warmer than too. The Cambrian Explosion occured in life forms unlike anything we have today. The animals that exist today evolved under much lower CO2 levels. Sort of an apples and oranges comparison.

Rutan is arguing against a particular cause of global warming and leaving out some very important details such as volcanic activity, etc. He is basically saying that it isn't CO2 so there is no warming or at least not human caused warming. However, you will notice that his own charts show a rise in global temperature over the last 200 years. The temperature has gone up and doesn't look to stop. I remain unconvinced at this time that human impact is not part of the Global Warming issue.
The GOPs DICK Army

Saint Louis, MO

#72614 Dec 10, 2012
Wow, you know you have hit bottom when even Dick Armey thinks you are stupid.

“Help religion science wander”

Since: Jan 11

into the night.

#72616 Dec 10, 2012
Truth Hurts wrote:
You people have bought into a ruse that is man made global warming.
It's all about money, a new tax. We are flat broke and looking for new revenue, and so is europe.
"gee lets scare the people out of thier money for the planet"
Fools believe this.
Perhaps it is you that has chosen to look the other way because you are afraid of the cost. By the way, I would say I have some fluency in statistics.

Just to be clear, you don't deny warming, just the cause. Or am I incorrect in that.

I like how Rutan says that "News Media and Nature magazines
often report that Global Warming is “worse than predictions”. In the vast majority of cases, they are wrong."

So even he thinks that sometimes they are right?

The problem with Global Warming is that it won't be us that deal with the problem. It will be our descendants. It is a shame they won't be able to travel back and tell us to STFU and stop generating waste like pigs.
The GOPs DICK Army

Saint Louis, MO

#72617 Dec 10, 2012
GOPers circle up. Lock and load. Ready, aim, fire.

“Help religion science wander”

Since: Jan 11

into the night.

#72618 Dec 10, 2012
The GOPs DICK Army wrote:
Wow, you know you have hit bottom when even Dick Armey thinks you are stupid.
The GOP's DICK Army should tell them "Ixnay on the Aperay" talk.
The GOPs DICK Army

Saint Louis, MO

#72619 Dec 10, 2012
IToldYouSo wrote:
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Exactly, there's plenty of money and power to be made in religion. Enchant a people and you can control them for as long as you want.
Getting Conservatives to stop saying "stupid things" is one thing, getting them to educate themselves and stop believing in that nonsense is a different story
The GOPs DICK Army

Saint Louis, MO

#72620 Dec 10, 2012
Yellow Dawg Democrat wrote:
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We understand enough history to know that President Obama is neither a Hitler nor a Castro.
We know enough history to understand that the Obama-Romney election was not like the 1980 Carter-Reagan election.
As for you, the only "history" you need to know is that President Obama won the 2012 election. Quitcherbitchin'!
You will have yet another chance in 2016, when Hillary Clinton will defeat you Neo-CONs, if you stay as monolithic and extremist right-wing as you are now.
The Republicans were exposing their beliefs.. problem is that the general public saw those beliefs for what they were.... off the wall.
The GOPs DICK Army

Saint Louis, MO

#72621 Dec 10, 2012
Truth Hurts wrote:
You people have bought into a ruse that is man made global warming.
It's all about money, a new tax. We are flat broke and looking for new revenue, and so is europe.
"gee lets scare the people out of thier money for the planet"
Fools believe this.
OH, you mean like the GOP not telling people what they really stand for? To lie in every conceivable way to get elected and then pass the most draconian legislation out of the blue? I thought that is what they did already.
The GOPs DICK Army

Saint Louis, MO

#72623 Dec 10, 2012
LargeLanguage wrote:
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God judged Sodomy and Gonorrhea not approved of them. Lack of evidence doesn't mean it isn't true. There used to be no evidence for the hitites and people ridiculed the bible until new evidence proved it. Modern medicine disproves Jonah? What evidence from modern medicine?
It is impossible to respect the opinion of others when those opinions are so absurd and obviously wrong. And your last sentence put the death-knell on any respect I might have for your opinion on that issue.

“KC's Son got a Meal Ticket!”

Since: Sep 09

Now the basement is clean!

#72624 Dec 10, 2012
Norton wrote:
<quoted text> ... If you don't understand prophecy, you are clueless about what I am saying. That is why you just don't get it. This life may be the only heaven some people know so they better enjoy what they call their ' good times' now because it is gonna end soon. Just remember......... I told you so!...
Nobody understands "prophesy." Prophesy is always so nebulous that most anything can be made of it.

In ancient times, a Greek general went to an oracle at Delphi, and asked what would be the result if he advanced upon his enemy. The oracle replied that a great victory would be won. The unfortunate part was that the oracle did not specify who would win this "great victory."

Did you know that Nostradamus foretold the existence of Hitler? Look it up!

I can assure you that both your and my "good times" will end soon. The long-range prognosis for the both of us is very poor.

Just remember -- I TOLD YOU SO!

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