Plan unveiled to address substance ab...

Plan unveiled to address substance abuse in West Virginia

There are 17 comments on the Bluefield Daily Telegraph story from Aug 24, 2012, titled Plan unveiled to address substance abuse in West Virginia. In it, Bluefield Daily Telegraph reports that:

A $7.5 million effort to combat a drug abuse epidemic that finds more West Virginians succumbing to the silent poisons of chemicals than the loud, grinding crashes on highways is putting cash into every county to detect and treat addicts.

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Harley002

Charleston, WV

#1 Aug 24, 2012
Good. Get rid of these dope heads. I can't stand them!
plumsmuggler

Beckley, WV

#2 Aug 24, 2012
Harley002 wrote:
Good. Get rid of these dope heads. I can't stand them!
You know the plan is to fund more rehab clinics specifically for women and youth right?

They need to fund bringing back Trident.
fix

Summersville, WV

#3 Aug 24, 2012
Yeah it's just more money thrown at rehabilitation. If they would have cracked down of them to begin with they probably wouldn't be in this shape. I hope they put the center in Webster Springs, it could use the revenue.
Freddie

United States

#4 Aug 24, 2012
The only thing that has been shown to work against drug addiction is rehab and education. It is far cheaper to stick them in rehab and get them clean and teach them how to stay clean rather than stick them in jail where they learn more tricks, new drugs, and new drug connections.
fix

Summersville, WV

#5 Aug 24, 2012
Freddie wrote:
The only thing that has been shown to work against drug addiction is rehab and education. It is far cheaper to stick them in rehab and get them clean and teach them how to stay clean rather than stick them in jail where they learn more tricks, new drugs, and new drug connections.
yeah that's worked great
Fact

Man, WV

#6 Aug 24, 2012
To address substance abuse in this state is to get rid of every politician,every person in the legal system and especially the cops and then there just may be an opportunity to change the drug situation.The majority of cops and judges who take it off the street turn around and,either use it themselves or resell it. The worst offenders are those who are supposed to be protecting the public.

“Pissed off underwater tiger.”

Since: Apr 12

Imitated but never duplicated

#7 Aug 24, 2012
I came here expecting to rant about how its a 7 million dollar waste, but honestly, as far as fighting against drug abuse goes, this is as close to practical as it can get.

This still is a waste of money, but at least it is not as big a waste of money.
WHY

Beckley, WV

#8 Aug 25, 2012
Can someone explain to me the "thrill" of WHY people want to use drugs? Why do they want to have no control of how they feel? What is the excitment of being so stoned all they want to do is sleep? Of not being able to walk straight or carry on a coherent conversation? I am being serious...where is the thrill & the excitement? Why are people so determined to get their next fix that they are willing to risk everything, including their homes, jobs & even thier kids??? That they become criminals & steal from their own families & friends for a dollar for that oxy? Help me to understand!!

“Pissed off underwater tiger.”

Since: Apr 12

Imitated but never duplicated

#9 Aug 25, 2012
WHY wrote:
Can someone explain to me the "thrill" of WHY people want to use drugs? Why do they want to have no control of how they feel? What is the excitment of being so stoned all they want to do is sleep? Of not being able to walk straight or carry on a coherent conversation? I am being serious...where is the thrill & the excitement? Why are people so determined to get their next fix that they are willing to risk everything, including their homes, jobs & even thier kids??? That they become criminals & steal from their own families & friends for a dollar for that oxy? Help me to understand!!
Ok if your serious and want to understand, the problem is you are viewing these things without understanding them and basing that perspective off of a stereotypical view and a lot of misconceptions. But you do state your looking to understand so I would like to clarify it.

First, to illustrate, you point to "having no control over how they feel" To clear that up, the state of being sober and not under the influence of any sort of chemical would be having no control over how you feel. By taking drugs, of any kind, you are controlling how you feel. Even something as simple as taking aspirin, You are controlling how you feel by alleviating the discomfort of a headache. Same principle applies to pharms and drugs used for recreational purposes.

Now as for the effects. You do understand that the way human biochemistry works is that while remaining in general parameters the way drugs will effect individuals usually has a wide berth. Just like how drugs for ADD, in an individual without it things like Adderall will act as an "upper", but to the ones whos biochem is wired differently, it actually works more like a "downer" that allows the patient to focus instead of being incredibly random. Just like there is a biochem difference, there is also wide varieties in tastes as it comes to recreational use. Some people like pain killers, others like "nerve pills", others prefer "speed" and others want nothing more than simple mood stabilizers. Again, this all comes back to the desire to control how one feels. And as for the "all they want is sleep" in many cases that desire for that feeling stems from being incredibly unhappy, depressed and dissatisfied with existence. To the sufferer, this is not just depression, it is pain, and the desire is anything that can numb that emotional pain.

Now as for the level of addictions where people will "do anything for their next fix" that comes back to depression, dissatisfaction and the desire to control how one feels. This is no different than any sort of vice, how coffee makes you more alert, or alcohol makes it easier to ignore all thats wrong in your life. If you were without hope of a decent life and just another urchin fallen through societies cracks, you would do what you could to minimize your suffering. However many addicts simply latch onto the wrong things too early before they are able to find ways to elevate themselves to a better existence and alleviate that suffering.

Now, its hard to try to blame every psyche problem on Nurture. As you point out some people will screw those who are closest and most dear to them. While the motivation again is the control and improvement of how they feel, simple fact is there always has been and basically always will be an abundance of pretty chitty people in this world, who have no qualms in who they hurt. While most of them will turn to stop gap measures like drugs, Some end up overcoming the temporary suffering and manage to find ways to make others suffer, so they feel better about themselves, which explains a very large swath of the worlds famous people and elected officials.

There is the root of the answers. Its basic biology, physiology, and psychology, rooted in nature vs nurture and the management of the suffering of ones existence.

Since: May 08

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#10 Aug 25, 2012
Freddie wrote:
The only thing that has been shown to work against drug addiction is rehab and education. It is far cheaper to stick them in rehab and get them clean and teach them how to stay clean rather than stick them in jail where they learn more tricks, new drugs, and new drug connections.
One other thing would work...STOP THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES from MAKING them.....I'm talking about oxy's etc....People aren't cooking these pills up in the house, though some drugs they are of course:)
...The drug companies are making MILLIONS upon millions of these pills for a relatively few people who need them....let's throw some doctors into the mix also.
You've got a sore arm?... prescribe oxy.
Your back hurts?.. prescribe oxy
You get a root canal.. prescribe oxy.
Your Ass hurts?.... prescribe oxy.
It's rediculous... substitute a few others for oxys and there it is..
They won't be banned because one thing always works against that...TOO MUCH MONEY IN IT.

“Pissed off underwater tiger.”

Since: Apr 12

Imitated but never duplicated

#11 Aug 25, 2012
Shootist wrote:
<quoted text>
One other thing would work...STOP THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES from MAKING them.....I'm talking about oxy's etc....People aren't cooking these pills up in the house, though some drugs they are of course:)
...The drug companies are making MILLIONS upon millions of these pills for a relatively few people who need them....let's throw some doctors into the mix also.
You've got a sore arm?... prescribe oxy.
Your back hurts?.. prescribe oxy
You get a root canal.. prescribe oxy.
Your Ass hurts?.... prescribe oxy.
It's rediculous... substitute a few others for oxys and there it is..
They won't be banned because one thing always works against that...TOO MUCH MONEY IN IT.
Well your right there. But lets take it a step further and lets figure out a way to reward the pharmaceutical companies and medical science as a whole for obtaining "cures" instead of rewarding their current vested interest in perpetuating "treatment" that will basically never end. Make it more lucrative to cure things than sell pills endlessly, and you wont see pharm companies pressuring doctors, in turn pressuring patients who were not really fully equipped to properly handle potentially addictive substances in the first place.

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#12 Aug 26, 2012
VirVoX Populi wrote:
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Well your right there. But lets take it a step further and lets figure out a way to reward the pharmaceutical companies and medical science as a whole for obtaining "cures" instead of rewarding their current vested interest in perpetuating "treatment" that will basically never end. Make it more lucrative to cure things than sell pills endlessly, and you wont see pharm companies pressuring doctors, in turn pressuring patients who were not really fully equipped to properly handle potentially addictive substances in the first place.
Excellent idea.. Only problem is, that makes too much sense:)
Fact

Charleston, WV

#13 Aug 26, 2012
I will say this,there are uses for all kinds of pain medications. I am speaking from experience but I also know a pill is not a magic solution. I have had both shoulders,rotator cuffs and tendons and part of my collarbone removed,consisting of 3 surgeries. I've had a hip replaced and I admit the pain pills definitely help. I do not use them as a crutch to eliminate all pain because it would be impossible but they take the edge off so it is bearable. I'm not in such bad shape to have a morphine pump implanted so,for that,I'm thankful. No matter what,if people want to abuse any medication,they will find a way. Money is the biggest factor for the abuse.
yeppers

Saint Albans, WV

#14 Aug 26, 2012
Bring back the chain gang and work there asses off for their food and stay at the county jail/state prision. A few years of that and they with think twice about drugs.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#15 Aug 26, 2012
Shootist wrote:
<quoted text>
One other thing would work...STOP THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES from MAKING them.....I'm talking about oxy's etc....People aren't cooking these pills up in the house, though some drugs they are of course:)
...The drug companies are making MILLIONS upon millions of these pills for a relatively few people who need them....let's throw some doctors into the mix also.
You've got a sore arm?... prescribe oxy.
Your back hurts?.. prescribe oxy
You get a root canal.. prescribe oxy.
Your Ass hurts?.... prescribe oxy.
It's rediculous... substitute a few others for oxys and there it is..
They won't be banned because one thing always works against that...TOO MUCH MONEY IN IT.
Only the medical professional's can prescribe the drugs, let them be regulated better. The poor old cancer patient in the worst pain imaginable should not have to suffer.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#16 Aug 26, 2012
Fact wrote:
I will say this,there are uses for all kinds of pain medications. I am speaking from experience but I also know a pill is not a magic solution. I have had both shoulders,rotator cuffs and tendons and part of my collarbone removed,consisting of 3 surgeries. I've had a hip replaced and I admit the pain pills definitely help. I do not use them as a crutch to eliminate all pain because it would be impossible but they take the edge off so it is bearable. I'm not in such bad shape to have a morphine pump implanted so,for that,I'm thankful. No matter what,if people want to abuse any medication,they will find a way. Money is the biggest factor for the abuse.
Your right!
Twiddle Dee

United States

#17 Aug 26, 2012
Quit testing for cannebinoids(sp) in the urine.

Every tribe, civilization, Ethnic community,etc.has seeked some form of method to get high.
It's human nature.
Quit trying to fight it.

This problem didn't exist before the piss test. Face the facts.

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