Union Agreements Reached

There are 20 comments on the WCHS-TV Charleston story from Oct 9, 2012, titled Union Agreements Reached. In it, WCHS-TV Charleston reports that:

Jeff Morris Web Producer: Jeff Morris Reported: Oct. 9, 2012 12:46 PM EDT Updated: Oct.

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union killer

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#1 Nov 3, 2012
The union = organized crime
1st why should I pay a union to work for them
2nd I don't need anyone or any union to tell me how to vote
3rd Obama has a war on coal so ANY coal miner that support Obama should b with OUT A JOB

Since: Feb 10

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#2 Nov 3, 2012
union killer wrote:
The union = organized crime
1st why should I pay a union to work for them
2nd I don't need anyone or any union to tell me how to vote
3rd Obama has a war on coal so ANY coal miner that support Obama should b with OUT A JOB
Not all unions have anything to do with nor do they condone criminal activities.
All that the UMWA does is recommend to you who they would like for you to vote for,you don't have to vote for anyone that they suggest or recommend for you to vote for and with Obama waging his war on coal is the reason why UMWA is staying out of the presidential election this time around and instead just focusing on the local and state elections.
U-M-W-A

Bluefield, WV

#4 Nov 3, 2012
McDowell County has "NO Union" Coalmine's.

At one time many year's ago all the mine's were UMWA Controled.
retired

Cowen, WV

#5 Nov 4, 2012
only thing i have to say is its better than just a social security check when you retire
UMWA

Bluefield, WV

#6 Nov 4, 2012
McDowell County has "NO Union" Coalmine's.

At one time many year's ago all the mine's were UMWA Controled.
nemesis

Charleston, WV

#7 Nov 5, 2012
You might as well face it, US Steel finished McDowell County. They robbed the Cream, an left the rest to small scab mines.
BDTis a Republican Newsp

Welch, WV

#8 Nov 5, 2012
Most of the miners at Cleveland Cliffs, are scab miners. They don't realize what the old time miners had to go through to get them safe and good paying jobs today.

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#9 Nov 5, 2012
U-M-W-A wrote:
McDowell County has "NO Union" Coalmine's.
At one time many year's ago all the mine's were UMWA Controled.
Back when workers had enough in wages to buy a house, car, have great health insurance and take a vacation?

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#10 Nov 5, 2012
union killer wrote:
The union = organized crime
1st why should I pay a union to work for them
2nd I don't need anyone or any union to tell me how to vote
3rd Obama has a war on coal so ANY coal miner that support Obama should b with OUT A JOB
You sound like a crybaby that the coal mines would not hire.

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#11 Nov 5, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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Back when workers had enough in wages to buy a house, car, have great health insurance and take a vacation?
Sorry, but thats just wrong. As a matter of fact the strategy used by Massey and other large mining corporations were to offer a higher pay and benefit package to keep their miners from going Union. The primary problem with the mining industry is the impossible environmental regs that change at the EPA's convenience. It wouldn't matter if ALL mines were union, the mining industry would still be in bad shape because of this. We need an EPA that works with the industry, not against it! And for the record, I'm neutral on the Union/Non Union. In some places it works, and in some places it doesn't. It should be a decision by the labor force at each mine
The Real Truth

Nashville, TN

#12 Nov 5, 2012
union killer wrote:
The union = organized crime
1st why should I pay a union to work for them
2nd I don't need anyone or any union to tell me how to vote
3rd Obama has a war on coal so ANY coal miner that support Obama should b with OUT A JOB
The unions were created to help poor coal miners from getting killed everyday mining coal. There would be no one left to mine coal if not for the unions. They would all be dead!

Coal Production peaked back in 2005. Production was cut three years in a row before Obama even became president. This year, 2012, this country will set a record for Coal exports. Coal companies love to ship our Coal to other countries.

Every Republican president in the last 50 years created National Debt. The worst offenders of national debt were Ronald Reagan and George W Bush.

65% of the national debt for the physical year ending 9/30/12 is directly from the Bush Tax cuts. 30% comes from an unfunded Medicare prescription policy created by George W Bush. Only 5% is actually from Obama.

Read the reports dumb-ass! You might learn the Real Truth.
BS nothing except BS

Nashville, TN

#13 Nov 5, 2012
Huntington Guy wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, but thats just wrong. As a matter of fact the strategy used by Massey and other large mining corporations were to offer a higher pay and benefit package to keep their miners from going Union. The primary problem with the mining industry is the impossible environmental regs that change at the EPA's convenience. It wouldn't matter if ALL mines were union, the mining industry would still be in bad shape because of this. We need an EPA that works with the industry, not against it! And for the record, I'm neutral on the Union/Non Union. In some places it works, and in some places it doesn't. It should be a decision by the labor force at each mine
We need people who run companies correctly. Not wait for 20 years after legislature passed to do something. 20 Years after the fact everyone screams we cannot comply with these regulations. BullShit! Nothing except Bullshit! They had 20 Years. Get it done!

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#14 Nov 5, 2012
The Real Truth wrote:
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The unions were created to help poor coal miners from getting killed everyday mining coal. There would be no one left to mine coal if not for the unions. They would all be dead!
Coal Production peaked back in 2005. Production was cut three years in a row before Obama even became president. This year, 2012, this country will set a record for Coal exports. Coal companies love to ship our Coal to other countries.
Every Republican president in the last 50 years created National Debt. The worst offenders of national debt were Ronald Reagan and George W Bush.
65% of the national debt for the physical year ending 9/30/12 is directly from the Bush Tax cuts. 30% comes from an unfunded Medicare prescription policy created by George W Bush. Only 5% is actually from Obama.
Read the reports dumb-ass! You might learn the Real Truth.
Well said.

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#15 Nov 5, 2012
Huntington Guy wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, but thats just wrong. As a matter of fact the strategy used by Massey and other large mining corporations were to offer a higher pay and benefit package to keep their miners from going Union. The primary problem with the mining industry is the impossible environmental regs that change at the EPA's convenience. It wouldn't matter if ALL mines were union, the mining industry would still be in bad shape because of this. We need an EPA that works with the industry, not against it! And for the record, I'm neutral on the Union/Non Union. In some places it works, and in some places it doesn't. It should be a decision by the labor force at each mine
Nope...it's not wrong....sorry.

http://content.govdelivery.com/bulletins/gd/U...

The National Labor Relations Board has ruled that Massey Energy Company and its subsidiary, Mammoth Coal Company, unlawfully refused to hire former unionized employees in order to avoid union obligations at a West Virginia coal mine it had purchased.

Massey bought the mine in Kanawha County in 2004 from Horizon Natural Resources Company after Horizon declared bankruptcy. Massey then created Mammoth Coal, a subsidiary, to operate the mine.

Horizon employees had long been represented by the United Mine Workers of America, and the union informed the new owners that 250 of the experienced Horizon miners were willing to return to work after the sale. The three-member Board panel – Brian E. Hayes, Richard F. Griffin, Jr., and Sharon Block -- agreed that Mammoth Coal Company went out of its way to avoid hiring the former employees in order to ensure that the reopened mine would be non-union.“Indeed, Mammoth’s hiring criteria can be best understood as mechanisms to screen out miners with an established connection to the union,” the Board found.

In the end, only 19 of the former miners were hired into a workforce of 219. Then, having eliminated the union, Mammoth unlawfully imposed a lower wage structure for all miners, the Board found.

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And miners were killed because of the non-safety union rules.

Since: Nov 10

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#16 Nov 5, 2012
BS nothing except BS wrote:
<quoted text>
We need people who run companies correctly. Not wait for 20 years after legislature passed to do something. 20 Years after the fact everyone screams we cannot comply with these regulations. BullShit! Nothing except Bullshit! They had 20 Years. Get it done!
OK, SURE! I guess the EPA coming and pulling already granted permits happened 20 years ago? lol

Fact is the EPA has an unlawful agenda. Atleast thats what the courts think!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/21/us-...

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#17 Nov 5, 2012
Huntington Guy wrote:
<quoted text>OK, SURE! I guess the EPA coming and pulling already granted permits happened 20 years ago? lol
Fact is the EPA has an unlawful agenda. Atleast thats what the courts think!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/21/us-...
No,the permits were pulled because of the pollution from MTR.

http://www.psr.org/environment-and-health/cod...

In January 8, 2010 article in the journal Science, the 12 scientists -- hydrologists, ecologists and engineers -- argue that “the preponderance of scientific evidence” documents “pervasive and irreversible” environmental and human impacts from MTR. They conclude that “mitigation cannot compensate for losses."

MTR is generally described in terms of its environmental impacts: deforestation, destruction of healthy headwater streams, contamination of downstream surface waters, and damage to fish and wildlife.

Yet mountaintop removal is also a health issue for people. It releases substances such as selenium, iron, and aluminum into surface waters, contributing to water quality degradation. Selenium, the most widespread MTR-related pollutant, bioaccumulates in tissue, where it can cause health and reproductive problems in humans as well as wildlife.

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Then there's the coal sludge.

http://www.sludgesafety.org/what-coal-slurry

Health

Chronic exposure to the metals found in coal slurry can damage virtually every part of the body. Health problems caused by these metals include intestinal lesions, neuropathy, kidney and liver failure, cancer, high blood pressure, brittle bones, miscarriages and birth defects among others. Studies of the effects of coal slurry on human cell tissues have found evidence that coal slurry causes cancerous proliferation, cell death and damage to kidney cells.

More on Coal Slurry and Health



Impoundments and slurry cells

Every preparation plant produces many thousands of gallons of coal slurry each day, requiring massive disposal areas. Most slurry is disposed of above ground either in massive toxic lakes called impoundments (made by damming up a hollow) or in smaller pits constructed of coarse refuse called slurry cells. Not only do these facilities often leach toxins and cause black water spills, there have been several catastrophic failures resulting to toxic floods, massive property destruction and death.
County of McDowell

Bluefield, WV

#18 Nov 5, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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No,the permits were pulled because of the pollution from MTR.
http://www.psr.org/environment-and-health/cod...
In January 8, 2010 article in the journal Science, the 12 scientists -- hydrologists, ecologists and engineers -- argue that “the preponderance of scientific evidence” documents “pervasive and irreversible” environmental and human impacts from MTR. They conclude that “mitigation cannot compensate for losses."
MTR is generally described in terms of its environmental impacts: deforestation, destruction of healthy headwater streams, contamination of downstream surface waters, and damage to fish and wildlife.
Yet mountaintop removal is also a health issue for people. It releases substances such as selenium, iron, and aluminum into surface waters, contributing to water quality degradation. Selenium, the most widespread MTR-related pollutant, bioaccumulates in tissue, where it can cause health and reproductive problems in humans as well as wildlife.
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Then there's the coal sludge.
http://www.sludgesafety.org/what-coal-slurry
Health
Chronic exposure to the metals found in coal slurry can damage virtually every part of the body. Health problems caused by these metals include intestinal lesions, neuropathy, kidney and liver failure, cancer, high blood pressure, brittle bones, miscarriages and birth defects among others. Studies of the effects of coal slurry on human cell tissues have found evidence that coal slurry causes cancerous proliferation, cell death and damage to kidney cells.
More on Coal Slurry and Health
Impoundments and slurry cells
Every preparation plant produces many thousands of gallons of coal slurry each day, requiring massive disposal areas. Most slurry is disposed of above ground either in massive toxic lakes called impoundments (made by damming up a hollow) or in smaller pits constructed of coarse refuse called slurry cells. Not only do these facilities often leach toxins and cause black water spills, there have been several catastrophic failures resulting to toxic floods, massive property destruction and death.
You don't live here.

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#19 Nov 6, 2012
County of McDowell wrote:
<quoted text>You don't live here.
You're back...

What does that have to do with a discussion on a pubic forum? Why do you think people who don't LIVE in WV don't CARE about mountaineers?

Weak discussion point at best.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#20 Nov 6, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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You're back...
What does that have to do with a discussion on a pubic forum? Why do you think people who don't LIVE in WV don't CARE about mountaineers?
Weak discussion point at best.
That's always a response to people is that "You Don't Live Here" routine.
Whenever you move out of the county or even the state you leave behind much more than a home.
You leave behind friends and family and with the way things have been transpiring within the county its obvious as to why people leave.
I mean,what normal a descent person would want to raise a family in an environment plagued with poverty,lawlessness and corruption.
Where drugs,traffic violations and prostitution has become a normality.
Where you can't even drive down the road without almost being sideswiped or ran off the road by a coal truck driver or some other idiot's reckless driving.
Also,there are those who wants to have a job while maintaining some dignity.
Meaning,there are those who wants to have a job and earn a living without having to kiss somebody's ass for it.
Some people wants to blame UMWA,some people wants to blame U S Steel.
I say that the responsibility,whether it be good or bad,falls on the shoulders of those who are in authority over the county of whom the people has placed their trust in and for years that trust has been betrayed.
County of McDowell

Princeton, WV

#21 Nov 12, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>
You're back...
What does that have to do with a discussion on a pubic forum? Why do you think people who don't LIVE in WV don't CARE about mountaineers?
Weak discussion point at best.
Question, How many Union Coalmine's are their in McDowell County? You don't know!
If you lived here you would know.

And all the info you post here Is old-outdated.

There's other coal states, West Virginia is "NOT" the only state that depends on coal.

I never see you posting on the other State's, Just here on the Welch,WV.,. forum.

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