Wisconsin lawmakers approve bill requiring ultrasound before abortion

Jun 14, 2013 Read more: Fox News 174

The state Assembly has approved a Republican bill that would require women seeking an abortion to get an ultrasound of the fetus.

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Ocean56

AOL

#76 Jun 22, 2013
zef wrote:
A mother that kills her baby with an abortion is still a mother. She is just the mother of a dead baby instead of a living baby. Becoming pregnant is becoming a mother, pregnancies always end, motherhood never ends.
Wrong again, as usual. A woman who has an abortion is NOT a mother, unless she has other children at the time.

Becoming pregnant is NOT "becoming a mother" unless a woman WANTS to be one. Motherhood is OPTIONAL, not required, which means a woman can opt OUT of motherhood for whatever reason(s) that apply to her. A woman has the same right NOT to have children as she does to be a mother.

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#77 Jun 22, 2013
Demystifying liberal myth wrote:
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If pro-aborts couldn't use euphemisms, they'd have precious little to say on online forums. "Ending a pregnancy" and "medical procedure" are oft-repeated semantic evasions that avoid hard truths pro-aborts don't want to address.
The "medical procedure" they couch in such bland verbiage is *abortion*, and it's singularly and radically morally different from other medical procedures in that it kills a unique human being. Rhinoplasty, an appendectomy, the removal of squamous cell cancer, and hammertoe correction are all medical procedures. None except abortion kills a separate human being.
I've seen some pretty silly pro"choice" posts on here. Two of my favorites is are:

1) that the purpose of an abortion is not to kill the fetus but to "end a pregnancy".
2) that there is no difference between a spontaneous abortion and an elective abortion because the fetus ends up dead with both.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#78 Jun 22, 2013
someoneuknow wrote:
<quoted text>
You condescending bitch. You are not better than anyone, you killed your own babies. One late term and maybe one or two earlier. stop lying to these people with your holier than thou attitude pig. Also lose some weight you look like hell jiggling like jello all over town gross.And stop trying to ruin everyones life idiot.you are a flipping pig.
You are the one lying. I've never had an abortion.
Ocean56

AOL

#80 Jun 23, 2013
zef wrote:
Everyone has a mother no matter how old they are or where they are. That's how people are made, mother and father combine gametes. No one in the history of the planet earth has ever been brought into existence without a mother. Once a woman becomes pregnant, she is the mother of a her child. Killing me might help the CIA hide that fact, but no amount of killing will ever change that fact.
All of your incessant babbling aside, a woman who has no children and who has an abortion to PREVENT becoming a mother ISN'T a mother. Get it now? A woman is not a mother unless she CHOOSES to become one.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#81 Jun 23, 2013
zef wrote:
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Everyone has a mother no matter how old they are or where they are. That's how people are made, mother and father combine gametes. No one in the history of the planet earth has ever been brought into existence without a mother. Once a woman becomes pregnant, she is the mother of a her child. Killing me might help the CIA hide that fact, but no amount of killing will ever change that fact.
If who's womb you came out of is not your mother's than who is?
When a pregnant woman drinks alcohol, so does her unborn baby. Alcohol in the mother's blood passes through the placenta to the baby through the umbilical cord. Drinking alcohol during pregnancy can cause miscarriage, stillbirth, and a range of lifelong disorders, known as fetal alcohol spectrum disorders (FASDs). There is no known safe time to drink alcohol during pregnancy. Drinking alcohol in the first three months of pregnancy can cause the baby to have abnormal facial features. Growth and central nervous system problems (e.g., low birth weight, behavioral problems) can occur from drinking alcohol anytime during pregnancy. The baby’s brain is developing throughout pregnancy and can be damaged at any time.
If a woman is drinking alcohol during pregnancy, it is never too late to stop. The sooner a woman stops drinking, the better it will be for both her baby and herself.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention 1600 Clifton Rd. Atlanta, GA 30333, USA
800-CDC-INFO (800-232-4636) TTY:(888) 232-6348
http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/fasd/index.html
So you are admitting once delivered from the womb motherhood follows?

"""If who's womb you came out of is not your mother's than who is?"""

So....if a woman adopts she is not a mother?

Zeffy....in another post you said nothing was required of a pregnant woman. Are you now saying that there are things required during pregnancy??

As the scholar you believe you are we find you very confusing.

Let me guess....you are a professor at a religious university??

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#85 Jun 23, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
Obviously I admitted no such thing. Because once delivered from the womb alcohol in the mother's blood stops passing through the placenta to the baby through the umbilical cord. And I said "Alcohol in the mother's blood passes through the placenta to the baby through the umbilical cord.". If you want to give your baby alcohol after it is born you will have to find some other way than drinking it yourself. I am a humanist. I don't believe in religion, only the goodness, or evil of religious beliefs.
<quoted text>
Obviously you are a LIAR...AGAIN, perhaps you are a compulsive LIAR?

Post # 626

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/T2O0...
Morgana 9 wrote:
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Nonsense Zeffy.
Then let them stand o their OWN from the moment of conception. No need to require any effort or bodily function from the female if being a woman has nothing to do with it......right Zeffy?
You lose. Try again.
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
Requirement has nothing to do with the human reproductive system. It a normal part of our anatomy and requires no conscious effort.
The torture devices that you subjugate men with, however, are not normal and not required, and are just a part of master plan to enable your fascist regime.
You are not a humanist....you are a lying idiot.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#87 Jun 24, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
"I am involved in a freedom ride protesting the loss of the minority rights belonging to the few remaining earthbound stars. All we demanded was our right to twinkle."
- Marilyn Monroe.
Zeffy, you are no freedom rider. You are a misogynist, bigot and racist.

Southern Reaper replying to your post..this thread #732

zef wrote:
<quoted text>
Which leads me to believe you are some sort of homosexual pervert with hopes that I am a male and that your defamatory accusations will somehow incline the government to make me your gay sex slave. I will not be so presumptuous as to claim you are negro, although I suspect you are a negro.
I never expressed delight, macabre or otherwise, in the idea of anyone dying or being punished for anything. All I ever have expressed is my abhorrence in the idea babies dying from abortion.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#89 Jun 24, 2013
Southern Reaper wrote:
<quoted text>
An ugly reminder of this poster's utter insanity. I find it interesting that he flings his skin color prejudice and homophobia around in response to being questioned on his strange comments, rather than offering a logical attempt at rebuttal.
I'm convinced he's just a troll. Nothing he says makes any sense, nor is it ever on topic with what's being discussed.
Yeah....poor Zeffy is incapable of backing up his position or even debating it rationally.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#91 Jun 25, 2013
zef wrote:
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Racist? Racist how? Misogynist? Misogynist how? Bigot? Bigoted against what?
For saying men shouldn't be subjected to homosexual rape for failing to agree with women?
For saying women shouldn't be allowed to kill people simply because that is what they want to do?
For saying women shouldn't be allowed to drink alcohol while pregnant and inflict people with FAS?
For saying people shouldn't be tortured for looking at something you don't approve of?
For refusing to kowtow to your nihilistic fascist regime?
Read your posts Zeffy......we all know what you are. Back peddling will not help you.
Ocean56

AOL

#92 Jun 25, 2013
zef wrote:
Racist? Racist how? Misogynist? Misogynist how? Bigot? Bigoted against what?
For saying men shouldn't be subjected to homosexual rape for failing to agree with women?
HOW is this happening, exactly?
Sheik Yerbouti

Doylestown, PA

#94 Jun 25, 2013
If the state is going to require an unnecessary invasive procedure they should have to pay for it. I hope decent doctors ignore the fundietards and vatican cultists. Why can't these vermin stay out of other people's business? Normal people don't want some silly bronze age myth in their doctor's examination room!

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#96 Jun 25, 2013
zef wrote:
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What better way for the fascist to force their victims to fight and die for them, than to place remote control torture devices in their victims bodies?
On the train to wackoville again Zeffy?

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#101 Jun 26, 2013
Southern Reaper wrote:
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You speak as though he's ever gotten off. I think he's the conductor.*chuckles*
LOL!!

You are correct.....I apologize for my error!!

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#102 Jun 26, 2013
zef wrote:
Giordano Bruno; 1548 – February 17, 1600 born Filippo Bruno, was an Italian Dominican friar, philosopher, mathematician, astrologer and astronomer. His cosmological theories went beyond the Copernican model: he proposed the Sun was essentially a star, and that the universe contained an infinite number of inhabited worlds populated by other intelligent beings. The Roman Inquisition found him guilty of heresy and he was burned at the stake. After his death he gained considerable fame, particularly among 19th- and early 20th-century commentators who, focusing on his astronomical beliefs, regarded him as a martyr for free thought and modern scientific ideas.
AND??

With the exception of proving the point that the catholic church is consistently out of step, elects itself as authoritarian over all matters, discards free thought and modern science.....whatchya think you got there Zeffy or more appropriately Chuckles?

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#104 Jun 26, 2013
zef wrote:
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Are your character attacks and death threats against me, because I speak the truth, so much different than the catholic church burning people at the stake for knowing the earth revolves around the sun? How many people do you have to burn alive to prove that the sun revolves around the earth?
Ocean56

AOL

#105 Jun 26, 2013
zef wrote:
The fascists make the substances that humans are irresistibly drawn to illegal. Which enables them to easily imprison any opponent or dissident to their fascist regime to be raped by predatory homosexuals. Which perpetuates their ideology and sense of omnipotence.
And this nonsense has WHAT to do with the issue of women's reproductive rights? I'll tell you; NOTHING.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#107 Jun 26, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
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All of your incessant babbling aside, a woman who has no children and who has an abortion to PREVENT becoming a mother ISN'T a mother. Get it now? A woman is not a mother unless she CHOOSES to become one.
Women cannot become pregnant without becoming a mother. The woman is always the mother of the child she is pregnant with. Killing your child does not prevent you from becoming a mother. Killing your child just makes you the mother of a dead child.

When a pregnant woman drinks alcohol, so does her unborn baby. Alcohol in the mother's blood passes through the placenta to the baby through the umbilical cord. Drinking alcohol during pregnancy can cause miscarriage, stillbirth, and a range of lifelong disorders, known as fetal alcohol spectrum disorders (FASDs). There is no known safe time to drink alcohol during pregnancy. Drinking alcohol in the first three months of pregnancy can cause the baby to have abnormal facial features. Growth and central nervous system problems (e.g., low birth weight, behavioral problems) can occur from drinking alcohol anytime during pregnancy. The baby’s brain is developing throughout pregnancy and can be damaged at any time.
If a woman is drinking alcohol during pregnancy, it is never too late to stop. The sooner a woman stops drinking, the better it will be for both her baby and herself.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention 1600 Clifton Rd. Atlanta, GA 30333, USA
800-CDC-INFO (800-232-4636) TTY:(888) 232-6348
http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/fasd/index.html
Ocean56

AOL

#108 Jun 27, 2013
zef wrote:
Women cannot become pregnant without becoming a mother. The woman is always the mother of the child she is pregnant with. Killing your child does not prevent you from becoming a mother. Killing your child just makes you the mother of a dead child.
You can post this idiocy all you want, zeffy. A woman who doesn't have children and ends a pregnancy to AVOID having children ISN'T a mother.

Motherhood is OPTIONAL, not required, even when a pregnancy happens. If it isn't YOUR pregnancy, it isn't your decision, simple as that.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#109 Jun 27, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
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You can post this idiocy all you want, zeffy. A woman who doesn't have children and ends a pregnancy to AVOID having children ISN'T a mother.
Motherhood is OPTIONAL, not required, even when a pregnancy happens. If it isn't YOUR pregnancy, it isn't your decision, simple as that.
Motherhood is not an option. Motherhood is a state of being. Motherhood is never any ones decision. An individual either is a mother or isn't. There is no choice in the matter.
A mother that kills her baby with an abortion is the mother of a dead baby.
Ocean56

AOL

#110 Jun 28, 2013
zef wrote:
Motherhood is not an option. Motherhood is a state of being. Motherhood is never any ones decision. An individual either is a mother or isn't. There is no choice in the matter.
Motherhood IS an option, zeffy, which any woman can REJECT if she decides she doesn't want the hardships and responsibilities it involves.

A woman who DOESN'T want to be a mother, EVER, can do her best to prevent the unwanted outcome of pregnancy by using reliable contraception regularly, or she can have a tubal ligation done. Of course, having a tubal done depends on a doctor who is willing to do the procedure. Many doctors aren't, even when a woman has asked the doctor more than once to perform it.

In any case, if a woman has no children and has had an abortion to terminate a pregnancy, she is NOT a mother, no matter how many times you claim otherwise. Motherhood is OPTIONAL, not required.

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