Irene brings worst flooding in century to Vermont

Aug 30, 2011 Full story: Cw56.com 19

Almost a dozen New England towns were rendered virtual islands Monday as floodwaters from the remnants of Hurricane Irene reshaped parts of Vermont and upstate New York, turning placid rivers into raging torrents and some streets into treacherous mud bogs.

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Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1 Aug 30, 2011
The only bad part of this storm was the covered bridge that got wiped out.
Sheik Yerbouti

Doylestown, PA

#2 Aug 30, 2011
Of course teabaggers will say its Obama's fault!
Village Mystery

Huntsville, AL

#3 Aug 30, 2011
It must be so hard to witness such events as these towns are facing and I hope the best for the people dealing with Irene's effects. It sounds like everything is being washed away - it is horrible.

Be safe and stay strong New England.
Deo Vindice

Sacramento, CA

#4 Aug 31, 2011
How about giving muslim names to these disasters.

They are experts at creatic havoc.
9th ward resident

Jacksonville, FL

#5 Aug 31, 2011
for my yankee friends....

ya gotta know how to drive in flooding.....

but, ya don't need to have any flood chains on your tires.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#8 Sep 1, 2011
I hope all of you get a chance to experience the joy of looking at dead livestock stuck in trees 20 feet off the ground on your way to work too.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#9 Sep 1, 2011
Global warming still not real to you folks?? Still?? A 40 billion dollar storm with more storms to come, while the wild fires in Texas have raged on for months and months after years and years of droughts now, while Joplin is destroyed from a tornado the likes of which no one ever saw, same as Irene was a hurricane the likes of which no one has ever seen. No global warming ha?? When FEMA has to spend 500 billion a year cleaning up these disasters, is global warming real by then?? When one quarter of all yearly tax revenues go to clean up these weather disasters, is global warming still not real??

Funny, the jobs went to China, China does not clean up its carbon pollution, China has been building a new coal plant every 7-10 days that would power a city the size of San Diego. Over 1 million people per year die in China from air pollution. All of China's rivers are polluted from unregulated pollution. China is killing off the Pacific Ocean by dumping tons of pollution into it. Hum?? After about ten years of China using massive amounts of carbon energy and creating tons of pollution, we start having extreme weather we never had before, 100 year floods every two years. And, this is just the beginning.

I encourage everyone to get the word out that this sand tar oil in Canada will kill off 175,000 acres of old growth forests in order to scrape up that sand tar oil. If there was any real oil left, the oil companies would NOT being doing this. I hope everyone of us DEMANDS this country gets off of carbon energy NOW. Don't wait until these storms use up 500 billion dollars a year. Don't wait until it is too late. Don't let the oil companies kill 175,000 acres of old forests to keep us on carbon energy while we spend 40 billion for disaster to continue to stay on this oil.

And don't let the media sell you on a war for oil in Iran. That is nothing more than another oil war.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#10 Sep 1, 2011
Pamela wrote:
Global warming still not real to you folks?? Still?? A 40 billion dollar storm with more storms to come, while the wild fires in Texas have raged on for months and months after years and years of droughts now, while Joplin is destroyed from a tornado the likes of which no one ever saw, same as Irene was a hurricane the likes of which no one has ever seen. No global warming ha?? When FEMA has to spend 500 billion a year cleaning up these disasters, is global warming real by then?? When one quarter of all yearly tax revenues go to clean up these weather disasters, is global warming still not real??
Funny, the jobs went to China, China does not clean up its carbon pollution, China has been building a new coal plant every 7-10 days that would power a city the size of San Diego. Over 1 million people per year die in China from air pollution. All of China's rivers are polluted from unregulated pollution. China is killing off the Pacific Ocean by dumping tons of pollution into it. Hum?? After about ten years of China using massive amounts of carbon energy and creating tons of pollution, we start having extreme weather we never had before, 100 year floods every two years. And, this is just the beginning.
I encourage everyone to get the word out that this sand tar oil in Canada will kill off 175,000 acres of old growth forests in order to scrape up that sand tar oil. If there was any real oil left, the oil companies would NOT being doing this. I hope everyone of us DEMANDS this country gets off of carbon energy NOW. Don't wait until these storms use up 500 billion dollars a year. Don't wait until it is too late. Don't let the oil companies kill 175,000 acres of old forests to keep us on carbon energy while we spend 40 billion for disaster to continue to stay on this oil.
And don't let the media sell you on a war for oil in Iran. That is nothing more than another oil war.
Are you in favor of Fracking Shale to extract Natural Gas?

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#12 Sep 1, 2011
Pamela wrote:
Global warming still not real to you folks??
Hurricane Irene and Schoharie Valley Flooding are not a result of Global warming...

"Schoharie Creek and West Canada Creek are the two principle tributaries of the Mohawk River. Schoharie Creek flows northward from of northern flanks of the Catskill mountains, while West Canada Creek flows south from the Adirondack mountains. It is not uncommon for one to be in flood stage, while the other is not. Both have had devastating historic floods, with the most notable being the 1996 mid-winter flood on the Schoharie, and the 1910 mid-winter flood on the West Canada.

Schoharie Creek flows through the towns of Middleburg and Schoharie, so flooding is of interest to a number of people directly impacted by high water. The Schoharie Creek has two dams that impound water. The upper headwaters are dammed by the 120 foot high Gilboa Dam, which forms the Schoharie Reservoir, a NY City water supply that was put into service in 1926. In 2005 the dam had clear deficiencies, which initiated a long and costly process of renovation. An advocacy group called Dam Concerned Citizens has been active in a public information campaign and community awareness. "

The Gilboa Dam was put in place to serve NYC and upstate could give a rats butt about their water. If the Gilboa Dam was not in place, there would be no need for the Schoharie Reservoir to supply NYC with water. NYCDEC didn't bother to take care of the dam problems until 2005. We are all very lucky it didn't breach before then. If it had, I would not be sitting at my keyboard trying to educate you as to the true cause the Upstate NY and Vermont flooding.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#13 Sep 1, 2011
LLT1 wrote:
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Are you in favor of Fracking Shale to extract Natural Gas?
I'm not sure one way or the other about that. I know for sure that James Hansen, the NASA scientist who is an expert on global warming says that the shale and sand tar HAS TO STAY IN THE GROUND. Otherwise, we are finished. He also says using coal has to stop right now. He says unless we do those things the next generations will not be able to live on the Earth, that using sand tar and shale will make global warming irreversable.

Fracking and natural gas I am not sure. It is carbon energy. Are the gas companies telling the truth about the chemicals they use not going into the ground water? Is the system safe? How much does it pollute? I do not know all of this, but I think if we leave the sand tar, do not try to process shale, go onto solar big time right now, maybe use natural gas for a while as a transition fuel, and get moving off of oil and coal, that would be a good start.

The Repubs want to have a war in Iran because 2/3rds of the remaining world oil is in the Persian Gulf. That will make us stay on oil until it runs out altogether. Saudi oil is running out, it peaked in 2007, this is why the oil companies pay the Repubs to invade Iraq and to start a war in Iran. I would rather we stop doing this stuff and try to get off of oil. It is going to run out anyway.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#14 Sep 1, 2011
Pamela - I know you're into reading...so take a break from your books and read this.

History

The Gilboa Dam site is located on the site of the former Village of Gilboa. The Dam bisected the village, extending from east to west across the Schoharie Valley, at right angles to the Schoharie Creek. 430 buildings were burned to a distance of s ix miles upstream of the Dam. The Village was a progressive community for its time, with a hydro-electric plant, movie theater, numerous stores, professional offices and its own newspaper, The Gilboa Monitor; all this was lost when the Dam and Reservoir were built. Even the dead within the Reservoir boundaries were affected, with seven cemeteries having been relocated.(5) This destruction of what has been termed “a perfect rural village” and the construction of a new dam and reservoir was made possible by the passage of three laws by the New York State Legislature in 1904 and 1905. These laws gave the newly created New York City Board of Water Supply (NYCBWS), precursor to the present NYCDEP, the right to condemn suitable properties in upstate NY for the building of drinking water reservoirs under the prevue of eminent domain, the basic concept of which is the greatest good for the greatest number.(6)

An entire town was destroyed so NYC could get water. Go figure, redistribution of "wealth" was already happening way back in 1904...and...

who was in the NYS Assembly, Governor of NY, then Vice President and finally the President during those years from 1882 to 1909??? oh my yes...the illustrious First American Socialist and Bully Boy Himself, Teddy Roosevelt.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#15 Sep 1, 2011
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>Fracking and natural gas I am not sure. It is carbon energy. Are the gas companies telling the truth about the chemicals they use not going into the ground water? Is the system safe? How much does it pollute? I do not know all of this, but I think if we leave the sand tar, do not try to process shale, go onto solar big time right now, maybe use natural gas for a while as a transition fuel, and get moving off of oil and coal, that would be a good start.
You would find out how safe it is very quickly if your neighbor signed a fracking lease like mine just did. It is not safe and could destroy my private well.

Understand that the NYS Pension system has 45 million $$ invested in gas companies that want to frack the Marcellus Shale in New York State. Our DEMOCRATIC governor Cuomo lifted the moratorium on drilling that Gov Patterson put in place. Why do the Dems want it both ways?
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#16 Sep 1, 2011
LLT1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You would find out how safe it is very quickly if your neighbor signed a fracking lease like mine just did. It is not safe and could destroy my private well.
Understand that the NYS Pension system has 45 million $$ invested in gas companies that want to frack the Marcellus Shale in New York State. Our DEMOCRATIC governor Cuomo lifted the moratorium on drilling that Gov Patterson put in place. Why do the Dems want it both ways?
I see what you are saying. They want to frack for gas when the state pensions are invested in it and then the Dems of course don't want it cause it will pollute the ground water.

I'm glad you told me it does pollute the ground water. I have an idea that fracking is really bad all the way around in terms of polluting the ground water and destroying the inner Earth by pumping all of those chemicals into it. I can see this mess with the sand tar oil. Those forests in Canada are the biggest forests we have left. They are what eats up the carbon we burn. They are larger than the forests in Brazil, so the fact greed for money has the oil companies destroying the very things we need to burn up carbon we use, OMG, I do not know what anyone can say. Next, shale oil. They cannot even process it, and it is also dirty like sand tar oil, and uses up twice as much energy to produce as regular oil. And, it also involves fracking, dumping chemicals into the Earth. I think we are out of oil altogether, and I think this is why the rich took the country down, why Bush funneled all of this money to the rich and took the homes from people and gave the rich like 2 trillion with the wars. There are over 250,000 subcontractors in Iraq and Afghanistan, they say the money to be made was in Iraq, not here. This is how they transferred the wealth to the rich by running up debt on the country. I figured it out that the rich took the U.S. down over oil running out. It's like he who has the most billions, will survive a world without oil. They did not get us off of oil in time. Had Al Gore become the president, we would not have invaded Iraq for the oil and we would have gotten off of oil. And, I'm sure he would have done something about China's unregulated carbon pollution.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#18 Sep 1, 2011
pooter wrote:
<quoted text>
you sound like a new orleans transplant.
I am a native upstate New Yorker. I'm no Flatlander like you Floridians are. And I've never set foot in Louisiana and never will, it sucks there.

and don't question where I live and how long I've lived there as a means to defend your stupid and insensitive comments about the loss of homes, farmland, fall crops, livestock, lives and businesses in my hometown.

Come up here and see for yourself, make sure you bring a shovel, there's 4 feet of mud on main street and you seem pretty good at shoveling $hit.
pooter

Jacksonville, FL

#19 Sep 1, 2011
LLT1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I am a native upstate New Yorker. I'm no Flatlander like you Floridians are. And I've never set foot in Louisiana and never will, it sucks there.
and don't question where I live and how long I've lived there as a means to defend your stupid and insensitive comments about the loss of homes, farmland, fall crops, livestock, lives and businesses in my hometown.
Come up here and see for yourself, make sure you bring a shovel, there's 4 feet of mud on main street and you seem pretty good at shoveling $hit.
BOO HOO HOO....

suck it up dead beat ...

get off the computer and clean up your own frigging mess.....

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#20 Sep 1, 2011
pooter wrote:
<quoted text>
BOO HOO HOO....
suck it up dead beat ...
get off the computer and clean up your own frigging mess.....
Hey azzhole - I started vaction today for 12 days, I signed up today to volunteer at the Red Cross, the Humane Society and the Schoharie County Community Action Group to assist in cleanup, helping the displaced animals and people and picking up pieces of peoples belongings from the streets while I'm on vacation. This morning I took over $100 worth of food and blankets to the shelter in town where 170 people are staying. Late morning, I picked up donations from other people and dropped them off at the shelter again.

and you call ME a deadbeat - FCUK YOU!
Village Mystery

Huntsville, AL

#21 Sep 1, 2011
LLT1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey azzhole - I started vaction today for 12 days, I signed up today to volunteer at the Red Cross, the Humane Society and the Schoharie County Community Action Group to assist in cleanup, helping the displaced animals and people and picking up pieces of peoples belongings from the streets while I'm on vacation. This morning I took over $100 worth of food and blankets to the shelter in town where 170 people are staying. Late morning, I picked up donations from other people and dropped them off at the shelter again.
and you call ME a deadbeat - FCUK YOU!
If I had not volunteered in the surrounding areas when the state was ravaged by tornadoes I would still not understand what devastation means. Driving there I saw a few trees down and some other things but when I made that last turn......I will never forget the sight of it. It looked like a giant forest was dumped on the entire suburb. When I got home I too got on the internet and I was confused and upset to see all the hate being spewed.

It's understandable that people having not witnessed or experienced such devastation might not feel one way or the other but to be glad? To joke about it? All they do is reveal how detached and ignorant they are. They could actually make someone feel better by just showing support - it would be so easy - but they do the opposite. It's bizarre.

To see all of that human effort and creativity being crapped all over by the flooding is a catastrophe. Luckily there are so many people like yourself that are getting civilization back on track.

It must be so difficult to see such helpless animals but thank goodness for you and your resolve to help them. When I saw the footage of that girl reunited with her dog in Japan I think I understood the impact of that. I think I could have everything swept away but then to be reunited with my chihauhas would make me the happiest person on Earth. "Pets" are healers and are very important to the emotional rebuilding of the area.
pooter

Jacksonville, FL

#22 Sep 1, 2011
LLT1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey azzhole - I started vaction today for 12 days, I signed up today to volunteer at the Red Cross, the Humane Society and the Schoharie County Community Action Group to assist in cleanup, helping the displaced animals and people and picking up pieces of peoples belongings from the streets while I'm on vacation. This morning I took over $100 worth of food and blankets to the shelter in town where 170 people are staying. Late morning, I picked up donations from other people and dropped them off at the shelter again.
and you call ME a deadbeat - FCUK YOU!
don't get so upset when you get caught in your BS lies....

better yet stop the frigging whining, crying and BS.....

and, you won't get stepped on.......

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#23 Sep 2, 2011
pooter wrote:
<quoted text>
don't get so upset when you get caught in your BS lies....
better yet stop the frigging whining, crying and BS.....
and, you won't get stepped on.......
You are a Neanderthal. Your screen name fits you well, a despicable piece of $hit. I am no liar. Get a life you troll.

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