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PSB gives college, town party status in biomass process

There are 34 comments on the Bennington Banner story from Jan 20, 2011, titled PSB gives college, town party status in biomass process. In it, Bennington Banner reports that:

The Vermont Public Service Board issued an order Wednesday allowing the Berkshire Regional Planning Commission, Williams College and Williamstown, Mass., party status in the permitting process for a proposed 29.5-megawatt biomass facility at the former Green Mountain Race Track.

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GrnMtnBoy

Roy, WA

#1 Jan 21, 2011
Bunch of BS. Turn the state over to the flattys. You can bet if this plant is denied that one will go up in Berkshire County, that's why regional planning is involved.

406 out of staters given party status. This is one of th reasons VT is in the sad state it is in.
tuff

Brewster, MA

#2 Jan 21, 2011
I guess Beaver Wood's plan to divide the opposition by locating their plant near a state border has backfired. Good.
Vter

Canaan, CT

#3 Jan 21, 2011
GrnMtnBoy wrote:
Bunch of BS. Turn the state over to the flattys. You can bet if this plant is denied that one will go up in Berkshire County, that's why regional planning is involved.
406 out of staters given party status. This is one of th reasons VT is in the sad state it is in.
It isn't just "flattys", there is nothing "sad" about behaving in a civilized manner,not all real Vermonters are inconsiderate neighbors.
Richard Rogers

Bennington, VT

#4 Jan 21, 2011
Much as I hate to have out-of-staters having input into our buisness this is the fair thing to do. This plant will impact Williamstown in two ways- smokestack emissions will drift over into Williamstown and wood for this will also be harvested from there. I do think Williamstown's input should be limited to just those two things and I agree with those who think that, if the situation where reversed, Williamstown would not grant us the same consideration. That does not mean we should stoop to their level. Let's be better people than that.

Having said that, let be make it clear that I am all for this plant in Pownal. It will bring in some much needed, good jobs. Furthermore, I beleive any impacts it will have on Pownal and the surrounding area, environmental and otherwise, will be very small.
GrnMtnBoy

Roy, WA

#5 Jan 21, 2011
About the only good thing about it if it does go through it gives the flattys nothing to whine about because they had their day.

It's still not a good thing to let them get too involved. We have a 42,000 wilderness area thanks to our elected reprsentatives listening to them rather than their own state. Every town around it said no. Regional Planning said no. The STATE of VT said no. But the shucks went ahead and did it. Think Patty's 86% donations from out of state had anything to do with NOT representing the state he was elected to?

na.
GrnMtnBoy

Roy, WA

#6 Jan 21, 2011
Vter wrote:
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It isn't just "flattys", there is nothing "sad" about behaving in a civilized manner,not all real Vermonters are inconsiderate neighbors.
They can say no and still be civil. "Sorry, but no".

IF you are a real Vermonter, you should know giving them an inch is a bad thing to do. They end up with several feet.
GrnMtnBoy

Shelton, CT

#7 Jan 21, 2011
GrnMtnBoy wrote:
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They can say no and still be civil. "Sorry, but no".
IF you are a real Vermonter, you should know giving them an inch is a bad thing to do. They end up with several feet.
Let me remind you that you consider yourself a REAL VERMONTER, and that's fine. You are still subhuman.

You are anti everything, with the exception of straight AND white people.

You are a dying breed of redneck, thankfully.

No plant. Step 1 to the denial is complete.

More flattys, I say. Less Mtn racists.
TruthTeller

Morrisville, VT

#8 Jan 22, 2011
GrnMtnBoy wrote:
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They can say no and still be civil. "Sorry, but no".
IF you are a real Vermonter, you should know giving them an inch is a bad thing to do. They end up with several feet.
Its amazing that the PSB board admits it has no legal basis to do this, but does it anyway. It makes me wonder if they want the issue to go to court -- where their denial, if based on anything from anyone in Mass, would quite likely lead to an overturning of a negative decision. Its bad government at its worst, and its wrong. We are suppose to be a nation of laws, but this board is not following them!
violin

Shelton, CT

#9 Jan 22, 2011
TruthTeller wrote:
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Its amazing that the PSB board admits it has no legal basis to do this, but does it anyway. It makes me wonder if they want the issue to go to court -- where their denial, if based on anything from anyone in Mass, would quite likely lead to an overturning of a negative decision. Its bad government at its worst, and its wrong. We are suppose to be a nation of laws, but this board is not following them!
Wah
harvey carter

Saint Albans, VT

#10 Jan 22, 2011
TruthTeller wrote:
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Its amazing that the PSB board admits it has no legal basis to do this, but does it anyway. It makes me wonder if they want the issue to go to court -- where their denial, if based on anything from anyone in Mass, would quite likely lead to an overturning of a negative decision. Its bad government at its worst, and its wrong. We are suppose to be a nation of laws, but this board is not following them!
Follow the money trail. It goes straight to the corporation known as Williams College,and the powerful grip they have, and seek to maintain on the capital and resources in the area. The politicians and citizens in Pownal Vt,should be extremely wary of the amount of influence they exert on our town.
As for the statement that in the event the shoe were on the other foot,and the town of Williamstown,and state of Mass would include us in the process,there is one word that comes to mind......Ridiculous! Check out their arguments for not bringing the HWQD plant discharges up to federal specs, and you will see how they really feel about us here in Pownal.
Richard Rogers

Bennington, VT

#11 Jan 22, 2011
harvey carter wrote:
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As for the statement that in the event the shoe were on the other foot,and the town of Williamstown,and state of Mass would include us in the process,there is one word that comes to mind......Ridiculous! Check out their arguments for not bringing the HWQD plant discharges up to federal specs, and you will see how they really feel about us here in Pownal.
Actually, my statement was that Williamstown would NOT give us any input into their decisions. I agree with you that they have a very cavalier attitude towards us in Pownal.
Truth is

Shelton, CT

#12 Jan 22, 2011
Richard Rogers wrote:
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Actually, my statement was that Williamstown would NOT give us any input into their decisions. I agree with you that they have a very cavalier attitude towards us in Pownal.
Towards, "us", in Pownal?

The majority of Pownal does not want this in the town. A big majority. The town of Williamstown is support the majority of US.
harvey carter

Saint Albans, VT

#13 Jan 23, 2011
Truth is wrote:
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Towards, "us", in Pownal?
The majority of Pownal does not want this in the town. A big majority. The town of Williamstown is support the majority of US.
Not really,judging by the people i talk to in Pownal. Most people are smart enough to wait for the air ,and water quality tests ,before rushing to any conclusions, as the Nlimby/ANTI groups have.
The fact is that burning wood chips to generate electricity has worked successfully in our state for close to 30 years. Another fact ,when it comes to the emission of particulate matter,? The heating plant at Williams College ranks in the 90th percentile in the Commonwealth of Mass. That means eight out of ten are cleaner,with only one out of ten being dirtier, in the entire state. Great neighbors ! Seems like they could clean up their act with a chip plant over there quite a bit.. Instead they continue to pollute the air in the valley by choosing a fuel that sends massive amounts of money to countries over seas, and is linked to two wars we are currently spending billions of dollars on ,and sacrificing thousands of American lives to sustain. Locally produced power, with renewable fuel ,is the wave of the future, and we are foolish to keep going down the unsustainable path we currently take.

Since: Jan 11

Bennington, VT

#14 Jan 23, 2011
Truth is wrote:
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The majority of Pownal does not want this in the town. A big majority.
What is this based on? No poll has been taken to determine how many support or oppose this.
harvey carter

Saint Albans, VT

#15 Jan 23, 2011
Richard Rogers wrote:
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What is this based on? No poll has been taken to determine how many support or oppose this.
The ANTI/NIIMBY folks just say that. They can produce no data to support that claim. If you are familiar with Pownal,and know many people in town, you will find this debate is fairly clearly divided along socio-economic lines, and that the affluent members of the town ,and surrounding area feel they know what is best for all involved.
Truth is

Shelton, CT

#16 Jan 23, 2011
harvey carter wrote:
<quoted text> The ANTI/NIIMBY folks just say that. They can produce no data to support that claim. If you are familiar with Pownal,and know many people in town, you will find this debate is fairly clearly divided along socio-economic lines, and that the affluent members of the town ,and surrounding area feel they know what is best for all involved.
You 3 can continue to talk about your support, amongst yourselves (on topix none the less). The rest of will continue to to block this from happening by action.

Just us Flattys. Flattys like me that have lived here for 30+ years. Flattys like my neighbors who have lived here for +50 years.

You know.. Flattys... like Winchester and Joe Tornabene. Flattys, like 95% of the residents of the trailer park, and surrounding community.
Vter

Canaan, CT

#17 Jan 23, 2011
GrnMtnBoy wrote:
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They can say no and still be civil. "Sorry, but no".
IF you are a real Vermonter, you should know giving them an inch is a bad thing to do. They end up with several feet.
IF you are a real Vermonter you should know you can't accurately lump any group into a stereotype. You yourself do not seem to fit the Vermonter stereotype of a reserved, helpful person. In my experience most real Vermonters aren't at all like you.
Vter

Canaan, CT

#18 Jan 23, 2011
Truth is wrote:
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You 3 can continue to talk about your support, amongst yourselves (on topix none the less). The rest of will continue to to block this from happening by action.
Just us Flattys. Flattys like me that have lived here for 30+ years. Flattys like my neighbors who have lived here for +50 years.
You know.. Flattys... like Winchester and Joe Tornabene. Flattys, like 95% of the residents of the trailer park, and surrounding community.
Wonder what is the delineation for flattys (flatties?), a family history in Vt goes back more than 150 - 200 years?

Since: Jan 11

Bennington, VT

#19 Jan 23, 2011
Truth is wrote:
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Flattys, like 95% of the residents of the trailer park, and surrounding community.
So you've polled everyone in the trailer park and 95% of them expressed opposition to this? I think you are again presenting facts that have not been established yet. How about putting a question on the March ballot about this to get a more accurate assessment of the town's opinion? From what I've seen the vast majority of the town has not weighed in on this yet but I do agree that a very vocal few may be able to get their way. That's how our "democracy" works these days.

Flattys like me, born and raised in Pownal and lived here most of my 57 years, represent the other side of the coin. We don't rush to judgement and don't yell until we can't be ignored.
GrnMtnBoy

Roy, WA

#20 Jan 23, 2011
GrnMtnBoy wrote:
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Let me remind you that you consider yourself a REAL VERMONTER, and that's fine. You are still subhuman.
You are anti everything, with the exception of straight AND white people.
You are a dying breed of redneck, thankfully.
No plant. Step 1 to the denial is complete.
More flattys, I say. Less Mtn racists.
It means more people like you who can't think for themselves.

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