Vermont bucked tea party tide in 2010

Vermont bucked tea party tide in 2010

There are 100 comments on the Bennington Banner story from Dec 26, 2010, titled Vermont bucked tea party tide in 2010. In it, Bennington Banner reports that:

For all the tea party revolts and Republican gains that defined the year in politics nationally, Vermont went its own way in 2010, turning an even deeper shade of blue.

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estanson

Bellows Falls, VT

#82 Jan 11, 2011
wahhhhhh wrote:
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I would agree the R's are much better at the game... especially for those who follow this stuff closely.
The D's don't get their accomplishments across or hammer them home and "spike the football" the way the R's do. A perfect example is the lower taxes removed from paychecks, most people don't even know they had less witheld and each check was actually larger last year. I would think this would be a great appeal, but most people don't even realize it happened and the Dems don't make it clear to the masses.
There is a huge segment of the population though that only follow politics casually, when things are good or bad they credit or blame those in power. I think McCain's drubbing was a pretty good example of that, at one point he had to remind everyone he was not George Bush. Then this past November, the economy is in the toilet (much of which is not solely O'Bamas fault, you can go back as far as the Clinton era for the blame) and the Dems take the brunt. Now obviously there are a whole bunch of other issues on the table, but if things were booming, in both cases those in power would have fared better.
What I do know is, a lot can happen between now and 2012 so it'll be interesting to see how things play out between now and then.
a very good point about the taxes...

Like many things today I think its mostly a credibility issue now...
I think the Dems have stretched numbers too far and no one believes they will save a dime no matter what...
I think in some ways its a fair asessment...when you look at things like saying obamacare is paid for by savings yet found in fraud in another similar styled agency...
folsk that give it a seconds thought SHOULD get worried...

when you have Senators calling a tax cut "spending"...you really feel you are being lied to...

and again, the shooter is a racist tea partier incited by the blowhards from the.... oh snap he was a hippie?

when folks who take issue with this are called racists, shills for the rich M&M's...that we want the poor to die in the streets...that we want the unemployed to just die...this rhetoric does not quell the intelligent ones on the right...it incites them!

In the end, my most significant issue is the fact that the tax cut/unemployment extension was a positive thing in that it took good ideas from both parties and moved ahead...a compromise!
but it is cast as a loss by the Ds...
self defeating = self fulfilled prophecy...

yes, anything can happen...
but how I see it...almost anything that happens plays into the r's hands...
O is bungling and he will NEVER be back at the top of the wave he was at inaugaration and that is one of the major missed opportunities in a century of politics!
Realtruthteller

Brattleboro, VT

#83 Jan 11, 2011
just another cult wrote:
I accept that people believe in superstition. If you want to worship the big invisible man and consult a 2,000 year old book to guide your morals, you are well within your rights.
I object to being told that I must believe in superstition. I resent my government representing me as a superstitious person. I detest people demanding that I must respect superstition.
Would you want to live with and accept our government taking an official atheist position? I wouldn't, I would be just as vocal in my objections if our money started bearing the phrase "a nation of atheists".
If your town select board began every meeting with a statement like, "we are all atheists, we reject all gods, magic and superstitions, the big invisible sky daddy has no effect on any decision made by this government body", I would probably be the first to object.
I accept that people will believe in strange imaginary things, but I do not have to respect it. I do not have to accept being governened by it. I do not have to live in accordance to anyones superstitious ideas.
I have never been told I had to believe in anything. All they did was let me know it was there and that some people believed in it. Certainly some people tried to get me to believe but no one made me and in my opinion it was always left open for me to decide.

What is wrong with that? Why are you complaining since no one is making you do anything?

You aren't governed by it except to the extent that human behavior has been shaped for the better by religion for thousands of years. Admittedly human behavior in the name of religion has been bad periodicly but who is to say it would be better without the religious element.

Try reading Quo Vadis for an 1890 description of the pre Christianity post Christianity Rome. It might let you accept that Christianity has done much good in our culture. Acting Christian even if you don't believe in Christ is a good thing.

And please don't trot out all the horribles done in the name of Christianity because you don't know if it would have been any better with out the religion. I try to separate the things that are Christian from the things that are human. Most of the negative stuff is about humans and not about the religion.
just another cult

Grantham, NH

#84 Jan 11, 2011
Woah there Crazy Bernie, "the sucker at the poker table", "You must be totally deranged ","it is fun to laugh at your insanity", "the insanity of being an atheist ", "I never got why atheists could not just not believe"

"I can only pray (hahaha) that you are not a parent who is subjecting a child to your hateful rhetoric"

Listen, I did not come here to insult people, I'm just being honest, I do not feel I need to apologize for thinking that it is unnecessary,foolish and troublesome for adults to believe in imaginary things. How many imaginary things do you NOT believe in? Do you really believe in leprechauns? Or do you think that believing in leprechauns is stupid? come on, be honest now.

Just because a lot of people all claim to believe the same delusion, it does not make it real.

I'm sorry that you are offended by my position, but I can't really help it, I am offended by magical thinking. When someone tells me not to "step on a crack or you will break your mothers back" I will not spend the rest of my days jumping about trying not to hurt my mother.I am confident that there is no correlation between stepping on sidewalk cracks and my mothers back health.I am offended when people insist that there is and claim that I do not care about my mother because I go around stepping on sidewalk cracks all the time.

I am not the one spreading hateful rhetoric here, hateful rhetoric is saying things like,"it is fun to laugh at your insanity" or "I would suggest you move to one of the Non-Christian countries in this world of ours, perhaps your life would be more enjoyable." You don't even have to be an atheist to find that last one offensive and hateful, you just have to be not a christian.

Any group, like the now overrun with religious rightwingers tea party, which is lousy with those who seek to advance the chistian nationalist agenda, is in my opinion, dangerous and offends the very idea of both religious freedom and liberty. I will not accept the concept that our great country should be ruled by ghosts.

Look,no one is going to convince me that eating pork is immoral either and it would be pretty hateful to label me immoral because I like eating bacon. So your imaginary freind does not approve, great, live a pork free life, but you should not expect any respect when you try to make it an official nationwide position and and do something like support that our currency should bear the phrase "a porkless nation", implying that all pork-eaters are not Americans.

Giving me the "option" to not swear on the bible in court, is no different than giving me the "option" to denounce my pork-eating in front of a jury who probably all agree that eating pork is immoral, I mean come on, it is printed on our money, that is our country's official position, "a porkless nation". I am guilty before mt trial even begins.

In the United States, seven state constitutions still officially include religious tests that would effectively prevent atheists from holding public office, and in some cases being a juror or a witness.

There is a famous and telling quote which supposedly came from the mouth of George H W Bush during a public press conference during his 1987 presidential campain. When asked by journalist Robert Sherman about the equal citizenship and patriotism of American atheists, Bush allegedly answered, "No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under god."

Although there is no audio or video recording of this exchange, it is clear that this is the position of the religious right in this country, and it needs to stop. We are not one nation under god, I am a citizen and I consider myself not only a patriot, but a good and moral person. I love my country, but as long as the official national endorsement of god stands, I cannot consider myself free to "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".
We can do better, we must do better.

Since: Mar 10

New London, NH

#85 Jan 11, 2011
Hey, Cult, I'm curious, what non-profit do you work for?
just another cult

Grantham, NH

#86 Jan 11, 2011
I am not a paid poster nor am I posting on behalf of a non-profit. Just doing my civic duty.

Justice Robert H. Jackson put it like this:
"It is not the function of our government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error."

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#87 Jan 11, 2011
just another cult wrote:
I am not a paid poster nor am I posting on behalf of a non-profit. Just doing my civic duty.
Justice Robert H. Jackson put it like this:
"It is not the function of our government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error."
Rah !
cjrian

United States

#88 Jan 11, 2011
Woodstocker wrote:
Hey, Cult, I'm curious, what non-profit do you work for?
He doesn't necessarily have to belong to an NPO or any other organization.

Most Atheists are naturally VERY Evangelistic,
demanding that others honor THEIR belief,
just another cult

Grantham, NH

#89 Jan 11, 2011
I do not expect you to honor my unbelief, just my right to unbelieve.
Crazy Bernie

Bennington, VT

#90 Jan 12, 2011
just another cult wrote:
I do not expect you to honor my unbelief, just my right to unbelieve.
Great. We just expect the same treatment from you.
just another cult

Grantham, NH

#91 Jan 12, 2011
Great indeed, it seems we have struck a mutual accord.
estanson

Bellows Falls, VT

#92 Jan 12, 2011
just another cult wrote:
Great indeed, it seems we have struck a mutual accord.
nope...only after you both swear to it...
under god...
just another cult

Grantham, NH

#93 Jan 12, 2011
That's funny...
navman5

Bennington, VT

#94 Jan 12, 2011
Ask any traditional Vermonter about the sad state of this state, too damn many politicians not minding the store & too many compromises being made under the label of progress.Folks are attracted to Vermont for what VT is......but after they get here, they want to change it into the same damn thing they ran away from. We've become a state of effin monopolies.....free enterprise my a$$....Vermonters used to be independent not co-dependent, too many folks want something & they want someone else to provide it for them. Thanks to government policies we've become economically deprived......& thanks to politicians, it'll never be the same. You better listen to the Tea Party, because once you've lost your independence & freedoms......you'll play hell getting them back........do what's right.....not what's popular or politically favorable.........
Concerned

Bennington, VT

#95 Jan 13, 2011
navman5 wrote:
Ask any traditional Vermonter about the sad state of this state, too damn many politicians not minding the store & too many compromises being made under the label of progress.Folks are attracted to Vermont for what VT is......but after they get here, they want to change it into the same damn thing they ran away from. We've become a state of effin monopolies.....free enterprise my ****....Vermonters used to be independent not co-dependent, too many folks want something & they want someone else to provide it for them. Thanks to government policies we've become economically deprived......& thanks to politicians, it'll never be the same. You better listen to the Tea Party, because once you've lost your independence & freedoms......you'll play hell getting them back........do what's right.....not what's popular or politically favorable.........
Ditto-this is what we had and what we have lost.
Vermont COnstitution:
Article 18.[Regard to fundamental principles and virtues necessary to preserve liberty]
That frequent recurrence to fundamental principles, and a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, industry, and frugality, are absolutely necessary to preserve the blessings of liberty, and keep government free; the people ought, therefore to pay particular attention to these points, in the choice of officers and representatives, and have a right, in a legal way, to exact a due and constant regard to them, from their legislators and magistrates, in making and executing such laws as are necessary for the good government of the State.
Realtruthteller

Brattleboro, VT

#96 Jan 13, 2011
just another cult wrote:
Woah there Crazy Bernie, "the sucker at the poker table", "You must be totally deranged ","it is fun to laugh at your insanity", "the insanity of being an atheist ", "I never got why atheists could not just not believe"
"I can only pray (hahaha) that you are not a parent who is subjecting a child to your hateful rhetoric"
Listen, I did not come here to insult people, I'm just being honest, I do not feel I need to apologize for thinking that it is unnecessary,foolish and troublesome for adults to believe in imagdelusion, it does not make it real.
I'm sorry that you are offended by my position, but I can't really help it, I am offended by magical thinking. When someone tells me not to "step on a crack or you will break your mothers back" I will not spend the rest of my days jumping about trying not to hurt my mother.I am confident that there is no correlation between stepping on sidewalk cracks and my mothers back health.I am offended when people insist that there is and claim that I do not care about my mother because I go around stepping on sidewalk cracks all the time.
I am not the one spreading hateful rhetoric here, hateful rhetoric is saying things like,"it is fun to laugh at your insanity" or "I would suggest you move to one of the Non-Christian countries in this world of ours, perhaps your life would be more enjoyable." You don't even have to be an atheist to find that last one offensive and hateful, you just have to be not a christian.
Any group, like the now overrun with religious rightwingers tea party, which is lousy with those who seek to advance the chistian nationalist agenda, is in my opinion, dangerous and offends the very idea of both religious freedom and liberty. I will not accept the concept that our great country should be ruled by ghosts.
Look,no one is going to convince me that eating pork is immoral either and it would be pretty hateful to label me immoral because I like eating bacon. So your imaginary freind does not approve, great, live a pork free life, but you should not expect any respect when you try to make it an official nationwide position and and do something like support that our currency should bear the phrase "a porkless nation", implying that all pork-eaters are not Americans.
Giving me the "option" to not swear on the bible in court, is no different than giving me the "option" to denounce my pork-eating in front of a jury who probably all agree that eating pork is immoral, I mean come on, it is printed on our money, that is our country's official position, "a porkless nation". I am guilty before mt trial even begins.
In the United States, seven state constitutions still officially include religious tests that would effectively prevent atheists from holding public office, and in some cases being a juror or a witness.
There is a famous and telling quote which supposedly came from the mouth of George H W Bush during a public press conference during his 1987 presidential campain. When asked by journalist Robert Sherman about the equal citizenship and patriotism of American atheists, Bush allegedly answered, "No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under god."
Although there is no audio or video recording of this exchange, it is clear that this is the position of the religious right in this country, and it needs to stop. We are not one nation under god, I am a citizen and I consider myself not only a patriot, but a good and moral person. I love my country, but as long as the official national endorsement of god stands, I cannot consider myself free to "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".
We can do better, we must do better.
I don't care what you believe so why should you care what other people believe as long as they leave you alone. Or is it you take the positions you do simply to get attention?
just another cult

Grantham, NH

#97 Jan 13, 2011
My issue is not what you or any other citizen believes. My position is that our government has an outdated, discriminatory, unconstitutional, official pro-religious stance.
Unfortunately this behavior is so deeply entrenched, that even our currency makes the erroneous claim that we are a nation of believers in god.
I am in fact looking for your attention, just like Rosa Parks was looking for attention when she refused to sit in the back of the bus.
Look, it's like this, if someone is a racist, they can be an ignorant jerk to everyone who isn't like them, but when they put on their government uniform and get behind the wheel of a city bus their racist beliefs must NOT dictate who sits where.
Imagine if the phrase "one nation of white people" was printed on our money when Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on racist James Blake's city bus.
Imagine if every day children in public schools across the nation recited: ""I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation of white people, indivisible, with liberty and justice for white people."
There was a time when it was considered acceptable to treat people who don't believe in god as second class citizens. It is time we moved forward.
Concerned

Bennington, VT

#98 Jan 14, 2011
JAC wrote: "There was a time when it was considered acceptable to treat people who don't believe in god as second class citizens. It is time we moved forward."

Yes, there was a time in many places where what you say is accurate. Today only a small number of backward thinkers still hold that. You mentioend Rosa Parks, Ganhdi, MLK,MHM etc.-well then as noted before, if you feel so strongly join with others that feel the same and take action. This action needs more than just commenting in this thread. Standing for change takes work, time, team effort and a thick skin-
I woud say go for it!
wahhhhhh

Bennington, VT

#99 Jan 14, 2011
Religion should never be involved when it comes to government decisions. It's like the FAA shutting down all flights on Christmans Eve for Santa.
Concerned

Bennington, VT

#100 Jan 14, 2011
wahhhhhh wrote:
Religion should never be involved when it comes to government decisions. It's like the FAA shutting down all flights on Christmans Eve for Santa.
Godo point.
Concerned

Bennington, VT

#101 Jan 14, 2011
Soory that was supposed to be "good" point.

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