Why your religion has nothing to do with abortion: One outraged Virginian's perspective

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If you've been following the conservative assault on reproductive rights, then you might know that Virginia recently suffered a right-wing takeover that threatens to shut down almost every single abortion clinic in the state.

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Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#1525 Jan 18, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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In the old times, God new who was evil and rejected God's grace unable to recieve it, and therefore should die.
How exactly has a new born baby "rejected God's grace"? How can they be evil?

Are you claiming that they don't have free will? That they are evil from birth?
feces for jesus

Bellmore, NY

#1526 Jan 19, 2013
Ink wrote:
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Typical, you make statements and can't back them up.
The irony meter just went off the charts.

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#1527 Jan 19, 2013
feces for jesus wrote:
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The irony meter just went off the charts.
LMAO!!!
Largelanguage

Rhyl, UK

#1528 Jan 19, 2013
Conservative Democrat wrote:
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More backpedaling!!
Do you really think a baby knows enough to reject "God's grace[?]"
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You're right. You don't need me telling you how to be a man, because the only thing you could ever possibly hope to be is nothing more than apussy.
They became evil within their disposition and rejected whats good and whats from God. They already reject his beauty, they didn't need to say they rejected him.

“2014 TDF”

Since: Mar 09

Boca Raton, FL.

#1529 Jan 19, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
<quoted text>How exactly has a new born baby "rejected God's grace"? How can they be evil?

Are you claiming that they don't have free will? That they are evil from birth?
Same question I've asked him s handful of times, and he still has not answered it.

“2014 TDF”

Since: Mar 09

Boca Raton, FL.

#1530 Jan 19, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>They became evil within their disposition and rejected whats good and whats from God. They already reject his beauty, they didn't need to say they rejected him.
So you're saying a baby has the capacity to discern between what's good and what's from G-d, even silently?

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#1531 Jan 19, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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They became evil within their disposition and rejected whats good and whats from God. They already reject his beauty, they didn't need to say they rejected him.
So, you're claiming there is no free will.

That a 1 day old infant _will_ reject God in the future, therefore God murders them in the present to prevent that from happening.

So, with no free will, you must admit that religion is useless. I mean, by your ruling it was decided from birth who was or was not saved. Nothing you can do to change it.
Largelanguage

Rhyl, UK

#1532 Jan 21, 2013
Conservative Democrat wrote:
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So you're saying a baby has the capacity to discern between what's good and what's from G-d, even silently?
Whatever was good disgusted them. It became their disposition, because the entire natiob became evil. They didn't need to discern, they were already evilness.
Largelanguage

Rhyl, UK

#1533 Jan 21, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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So, you're claiming there is no free will.
That a 1 day old infant _will_ reject God in the future, therefore God murders them in the present to prevent that from happening.
So, with no free will, you must admit that religion is useless. I mean, by your ruling it was decided from birth who was or was not saved. Nothing you can do to change it.
They had free will to love. A choice everybody can make. Even 4 year olds choose to love their mothers. Familar?
Ocean56

AOL

#1534 Jan 21, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
In the old times, God new who was evil and rejected God's grace unable to recieve it, and therefore should die. Under the new covenant believers are meant to preach, and hope that they will turn to him, for only God knows the day and the hour, the minute, second, and the millisecond, right down to the atomic second, and the quartts second. Although God justifies the killing of murderers and the downright heathen who commit atrocities. I still don't need you telling me how to be a man.
What are you BABBLING about now? In case you didn't get the memo, we're living in the 21ST century, and no one has to "accept God" if he/she doesn't WANT to.

Toxic religious institutions like the Catholic Church don't get to torture and murder people for so-called "heresy" any more either, as it used to do in past centuries. Thankfully in the United States, belonging to a religion is a CHOICE, not a government requirement. Motherhood is a CHOICE too, so deal with it yourself.

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#1535 Jan 21, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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They had free will to love. A choice everybody can make. Even 4 year olds choose to love their mothers. Familar?
If they had free will, then they weren't evil and weren't beyond redemption. And, the newborns, the one year olds, the two year olds, they could not have made a choice to be "against God". That sort of a concept is beyond their capacity.

So, God murdered them out despite the fact that they weren't evil.

He could have saved them. He has LIMITLESS power. He could have done a billion different magical things and spared them. Instead, he murdered them out of laziness.

See, this is why trying to hold a myth to real standards does not work out well for the myth supporters.
Largelanguage

Rhyl, UK

#1536 Jan 21, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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If they had free will, then they weren't evil and weren't beyond redemption. And, the newborns, the one year olds, the two year olds, they could not have made a choice to be "against God". That sort of a concept is beyond their capacity.
So, God murdered them out despite the fact that they weren't evil.
He could have saved them. He has LIMITLESS power. He could have done a billion different magical things and spared them. Instead, he murdered them out of laziness.
See, this is why trying to hold a myth to real standards does not work out well for the myth supporters.
It was their character, their disposition that rejected anything that could come from God. They became evil because the whole nation was evil. He murdered them because the wicked have to be punished, not redeemed.

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#1537 Jan 21, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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It was their character, their disposition that rejected anything that could come from God. They became evil because the whole nation was evil. He murdered them because the wicked have to be punished, not redeemed.
Then they didn't have free will.

If a 1 day old baby will, by it's "nature" inevitably become evil, then it doesn't have free will. Its future is PREDETERMINED. Nothing it says or does matters. It is what it will be and can not change.

If you believe that God was right to murder millions of innocent babies because he knew they would turn out a certain way, then you can't possibly believe that free will exists.

If you believe that free will exists, then you can't excuse the murder of millions of innocent babies as being a reasonable act by a loving God.

That leaves you with two logical outs.

#1) God is not "loving", but is (as the Bible points out) vengeful, jealous and exceedingly violet.

#2) This is a STORY from which you are supposed to take a metaphorical meaning, not a historically accurate event
Largelanguage

Rhyl, UK

#1538 Jan 21, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Then they didn't have free will.
If a 1 day old baby will, by it's "nature" inevitably become evil, then it doesn't have free will. Its future is PREDETERMINED. Nothing it says or does matters. It is what it will be and can not change.
If you believe that God was right to murder millions of innocent babies because he knew they would turn out a certain way, then you can't possibly believe that free will exists.
If you believe that free will exists, then you can't excuse the murder of millions of innocent babies as being a reasonable act by a loving God.
That leaves you with two logical outs.
#1) God is not "loving", but is (as the Bible points out) vengeful, jealous and exceedingly violet.
#2) This is a STORY from which you are supposed to take a metaphorical meaning, not a historically accurate event
They were already evil in the first place. God killed them while they were evil. It was the babies choices to love and accept what good they knew. But they had burning passion to be evil. Yes, even the babies.

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#1539 Jan 21, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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They were already evil in the first place. God killed them while they were evil. It was the babies choices to love and accept what good they knew. But they had burning passion to be evil. Yes, even the babies.
Then that means there is no such thing as free will.

If a baby can be born evil, then free will is a fiction.

Therefore your entire religion is a waste of time. Either you were born good or not. Attending church, praying, worshiping God - none of that will change the fact that you were born evil.

God will smite you regardless of how you behave because you are what you are.
Largelanguage

Rhyl, UK

#1540 Jan 21, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Then that means there is no such thing as free will.
If a baby can be born evil, then free will is a fiction.
Therefore your entire religion is a waste of time. Either you were born good or not. Attending church, praying, worshiping God - none of that will change the fact that you were born evil.
God will smite you regardless of how you behave because you are what you are.
No one is born evil. The babies weren't born evil. They had the choice to desire good, but they choice evil. Because the entire nation was evil.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#1541 Jan 21, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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They were already evil in the first place. God killed them while they were evil. It was the babies choices to love and accept what good they knew. But they had burning passion to be evil. Yes, even the babies.
You are insane.

“2014 TDF”

Since: Mar 09

Boca Raton, FL.

#1542 Jan 21, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>No one is born evil. The babies weren't born evil. They had the choice to desire good, but they choice evil. Because the entire nation was evil.
I see. Guilty by association.

Whatever feeds your proclivities of pontifical lord.
Largelanguage

Rhyl, UK

#1543 Jan 21, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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You are insane.
Shut up bitner, and continue running your secondhandshop/hairscruffy company!

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#1544 Jan 21, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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No one is born evil. The babies weren't born evil. They had the choice to desire good, but they choice evil. Because the entire nation was evil.
So, a baby isn't "born evil", however 1 second AFTER he is born, then he's evil because "so is everyone else".

But not Noah, his wife, his 3 sons or their 3 wives ALL of whom were born in the exact same nation as these "evil" babies.

So, why weren't those 8 people (4 of which are completely unrelated to one another) not evil while a newborn was evil?

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