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Why your religion has nothing to do with abortion: One outraged Virginian's perspective

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Largelanguage

Wrexham, UK

#1444 Jan 1, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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The Jews were given the commandments.
It's not opinion. The original was murder.
Again, to say not to kill would be stupid, as we kill all the time.
Again, "God" didn't say. Feel free to prove otherwise.
You obviously don't know your bible very well. You should read it sometime.
In your opinion only murder means illegal killing, murder to the oridinary person you idiot will think it means correctly as immoral killing. Stop speaking in riddles you moron.

“Blessed Be”

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#1445 Jan 1, 2013
Ink wrote:
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Bitner, bitner, bitner.
Yes the Jews were given the commandments. Why are you making this point?
Murder is fine. I'm okay with that as it wouyld be the logical meaning.
Whom did God tell do kill legally?
Thou shalt not murder should protect an unborn child. I don't believe that the early Jews were big advocates of abortion since children didn't always live to maturity and God wanted them to populate.
Why am I making that point? Because YOU tried to deflect by making it about just Moses.

Again, you should read your bible sometime.

The fetus is still not considered a person in Judaism.

Your obtuseness is pathetic.

“Blessed Be”

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#1446 Jan 1, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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In Israel, killing people without good reason was murder, you don't know squat bitner. And how do you know in Judiasm life is perceived to start at the first breaht, how come Conservative Democrat never said that? And there is a different between what Judiasm says and what the bible says you ignorant fool.
Says the moron who didn't know the difference between Peter and Thomas.

“Blessed Be”

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#1447 Jan 1, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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In your opinion only murder means illegal killing, murder to the oridinary person you idiot will think it means correctly as immoral killing. Stop speaking in riddles you moron.
Wrong.
Ink

Bensalem, PA

#1448 Jan 1, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Why am I making that point? Because YOU tried to deflect by making it about just Moses.
Again, you should read your bible sometime.
The fetus is still not considered a person in Judaism.
Your obtuseness is pathetic.
Let's start over.

Bitner said:
The commandment, given to the Jews by their God, was not to murder. Murder is illegal killing. Abortion is legal. Also, in Judaism, the fetus is not considered a person, and at that time, life was considered to start with the first breath.

As for not to kill, that would be a senseless commandment, as we NEED to kill in order to live. Not only that, that very same God would be asking his followers to violate that commandment, every time he told them to kill other people.

Sorry, but that doesn't not apply.

"Not to murder"

That would include the child in utero. The unborn child is considered a child in many places in the Bible.

"every time He told them to kill other people"

Who did He say to kill after giving Moses the Commandments?

“Blessed Be”

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#1449 Jan 2, 2013
Ink wrote:
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Let's start over.
Bitner said:
The commandment, given to the Jews by their God, was not to murder. Murder is illegal killing. Abortion is legal. Also, in Judaism, the fetus is not considered a person, and at that time, life was considered to start with the first breath.
As for not to kill, that would be a senseless commandment, as we NEED to kill in order to live. Not only that, that very same God would be asking his followers to violate that commandment, every time he told them to kill other people.
Sorry, but that doesn't not apply.
"Not to murder"
That would include the child in utero. The unborn child is considered a child in many places in the Bible.
"every time He told them to kill other people"
Who did He say to kill after giving Moses the Commandments?
You're being obtuse. Read the bible. He ordered the deaths of whole towns by his followers, including children and pregnant women. I know you LIKE to ignore the OT when it suits you, but it's unfortunately there, in print.
Largelanguage

Wrexham, UK

#1450 Jan 2, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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You're being obtuse. Read the bible. He ordered the deaths of whole towns by his followers, including children and pregnant women. I know you LIKE to ignore the OT when it suits you, but it's unfortunately there, in print.
He ordered evil babies to die. And in any case, the lord takes away and the lord gives, God could still send those babies to heaven. And who knows? Those babies could be decendants of the nethelan, the demon giants! God also condemned a nation for tearing babies out of womens wombs just to conquer more land.

“Blessed Be”

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#1451 Jan 2, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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He ordered evil babies to die. And in any case, the lord takes away and the lord gives, God could still send those babies to heaven. And who knows? Those babies could be decendants of the nethelan, the demon giants! God also condemned a nation for tearing babies out of womens wombs just to conquer more land.
Says the idiot who didn't know the difference between Peter denying Christ before the cock crowed three times, and the story of Doubting Thomas.

Sorry, but you've proven you don't know a damned thing.
Largelanguage

Wrexham, UK

#1452 Jan 2, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Says the idiot who didn't know the difference between Peter denying Christ before the cock crowed three times, and the story of Doubting Thomas.
Sorry, but you've proven you don't know a damned thing.
Tell me the story of doubting thomas bitner.

“Blessed Be”

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#1453 Jan 2, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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Tell me the story of doubting thomas bitner.
Why don't you know it already? Weren't YOU the one who claimed to know the bible better than me? Why would you have to be told, Troll?
Largelanguage

Wrexham, UK

#1454 Jan 2, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Why don't you know it already? Weren't YOU the one who claimed to know the bible better than me? Why would you have to be told, Troll?
By doubting thomas do you mean when thomas doubted Jesus resurrected? Go on, tell me about it.

P.S. You're 50 this year.
Ink

Bensalem, PA

#1455 Jan 2, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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You're being obtuse. Read the bible. He ordered the deaths of whole towns by his followers, including children and pregnant women. I know you LIKE to ignore the OT when it suits you, but it's unfortunately there, in print.
Tell me where He said that after the Commandments were given to Moses.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#1456 Jan 2, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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By doubting thomas do you mean when thomas doubted Jesus resurrected? Go on, tell me about it.
P.S. You're 50 this year.
Why should I? Again, don't you already know?

I find it amusing, how little you Christians seem to know about your own holy book.

Yes, I'll be 50 this year. So?

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#1457 Jan 2, 2013
Ink wrote:
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Tell me where He said that after the Commandments were given to Moses.
You should be ashamed, having to ask a Wiccan about your own bible. Maybe you people should actually READ the whole thing for a change.
Ink

Bensalem, PA

#1458 Jan 2, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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You should be ashamed, having to ask a Wiccan about your own bible. Maybe you people should actually READ the whole thing for a change.
Typical, you make statements and can't back them up.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#1459 Jan 2, 2013
Ink wrote:
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Typical, you make statements and can't back them up.
Read your own holy book, Christian.
Ink

Bensalem, PA

#1460 Jan 2, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Read your own holy book, Christian.
Reminder, it was you who said God told someone to kill other people and at the same time said "thou shall not 'murder'". Now show us where. This is your claim, Pagan.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#1461 Jan 2, 2013
Ink wrote:
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Reminder, it was you who said God told someone to kill other people and at the same time said "thou shall not 'murder'". Now show us where. This is your claim, Pagan.
I did not say "at the same time".

And I simply don't have the patience for your deliberate obtuseness today.
Ink

Bensalem, PA

#1462 Jan 2, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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I did not say "at the same time".
And I simply don't have the patience for your deliberate obtuseness today.
So in other words it was just your rude crude way of trying to assualt Christians again. Didn't work and it's not going to if I see you post more vile attempts.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#1463 Jan 2, 2013
Ink wrote:
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So in other words it was just your rude crude way of trying to assualt Christians again. Didn't work and it's not going to if I see you post more vile attempts.
No, Witless, that's not what it was.

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