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Blended Catholic, Episcopal parish must separate rites

There are 28 comments on the The Virginian-Pilot story from Feb 22, 2013, titled Blended Catholic, Episcopal parish must separate rites. In it, The Virginian-Pilot reports that:

Bishop Francis X. DiLorenzo of the Diocese of Richmond has given the Church of the Holy Apostles, a blended Catholic and Episcopal parish, until Feb. 28 to end its 30-year practice of celebrating Holy Communion together.

DiLorenzo told parish leaders in November that allowing Catholics and non-Catholics to participate in a combined communion liturgy was a violation of Roman Catholic norms ...

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“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#1 Feb 22, 2013
from The Virginian-Pilot:

"The parish is led by Catholic and Episcopal co-pastors who, for 30 years, have shared leadership duties and performed services together.

"During the Eucharisitic portion of the service, the pastors move to opposite ends of the sanctuary and perform the Holy Communion rite using similar but separate Catholic and Episcopal liturgies.

"Doing that, the statement from the diocese said, was 'contrary to liturgical norms and Church doctrine on the Eucharist.'"

How contrary, considering that the Communion rites though similar are physically separate?

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#2 Feb 22, 2013
from A Seating Chart for the Lord's Table:

"The Episcopal Church's policy is that any baptized Christian can receive Communion in the Episcopal church (and they let their members receive Communion in any church that welcomes them). But for Catholics, the Vatican counts as valid only Catholic Eucharist--bread and wine that have been consecrated by a priest as part of a Catholic Mass ...

"Catholicism's lack of an 'open table'--the phrase some churches have adopted for sharing the Lord's Supper with those from other Christian denominations--stems from two arenas: Catholics' belief that Communion is the actual presence, through the mystery of transubstantiation, of the blood and body of Christ. This significantly differs from many other Christians' belief that Communion is a remembrance of the sacrificed Christ. The other reason for the restriction is that open Communion would be somewhat dishonest, signaling a church-wide unity that does not yet exist."

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Catholic/2000...

Since: Aug 09

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#3 Feb 22, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
from A Seating Chart for the Lord's Table:
"The Episcopal Church's policy is that any baptized Christian can receive Communion in the Episcopal church (and they let their members receive Communion in any church that welcomes them). But for Catholics, the Vatican counts as valid only Catholic Eucharist--bread and wine that have been consecrated by a priest as part of a Catholic Mass ...
"Catholicism's lack of an 'open table'--the phrase some churches have adopted for sharing the Lord's Supper with those from other Christian denominations--stems from two arenas: Catholics' belief that Communion is the actual presence, through the mystery of transubstantiation, of the blood and body of Christ. This significantly differs from many other Christians' belief that Communion is a remembrance of the sacrificed Christ. The other reason for the restriction is that open Communion would be somewhat dishonest, signaling a church-wide unity that does not yet exist."
http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Catholic/2000...
I would characterize it differently.

I would contend that the restriction is a continued denial of the reality that a Church-wide unity has always existed.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#4 Feb 23, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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I would characterize it differently.
I would contend that the restriction is a continued denial of the reality that a Church-wide unity has always existed.
Tell that to the blended congregations of the Church of the Holy Apostles; they now have a very different sense of that reality.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#5 Feb 23, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Tell that to the blended congregations of the Church of the Holy Apostles; they now have a very different sense of that reality.
Aww, xenophobia is alive and well.

The romans are afraid spirituality might be contagious and that wouldn't bode well for the romans.

What a shame and disappointment to Christian unity, as if believing in one God isn't enough....

Since: Aug 09

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#6 Feb 23, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
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Aww, xenophobia is alive and well.
The romans are afraid spirituality might be contagious and that wouldn't bode well for the romans.
What a shame and disappointment to Christian unity, as if believing in one God isn't enough....
Amen, Brother!

That, and judging by the recent column published by newly installed bp. Paprocki of the Diocese of Springfield, they are still smarting over their inability to control King Henry VIII.
Listen to the Word

Lake Havasu City, AZ

#7 Feb 23, 2013
If Middle Way and RevKen so favor Christian unity, they should join the Catholic Church. That would set an example for others to follow. If the only reason they do not return to the Catholic church is that they demand their or their church body's separatist doctrines, they are hypocrites. It would be a great step toward Christian unity if TEC and the whole Anglican communion folded and rejoined the Catholic church. But, alas, I am sure that neither Middle Way or RevKen want Christianity that much. In that regard they are like TEC which promotes inclusiveness, but is as exclusive as it gets with anyone who believes the Bible in general and TEC historic doctrine in particular. Then it is the boot instead of a hug. It is the same with their sham tears for a setback in Christian unity.

Since: Aug 09

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#8 Feb 23, 2013
Listen to the Word wrote:
If Middle Way and RevKen so favor Christian unity, they should join the Catholic Church. That would set an example for others to follow. If the only reason they do not return to the Catholic church is that they demand their or their church body's separatist doctrines, they are hypocrites. It would be a great step toward Christian unity if TEC and the whole Anglican communion folded and rejoined the Catholic church. But, alas, I am sure that neither Middle Way or RevKen want Christianity that much. In that regard they are like TEC which promotes inclusiveness, but is as exclusive as it gets with anyone who believes the Bible in general and TEC historic doctrine in particular. Then it is the boot instead of a hug. It is the same with their sham tears for a setback in Christian unity.
Oh, Baloney!

The Reformation occurred for very good reasons. Reasons that are as much or more valid today than they were 500 years ago.

The Episcopal Church is successfully leading the world's Christianity out of the dark ages and into the Light, Life and Love of Christ Jesus.

What do you bring to this effort? Sour grapes.

Why all the sour grapes? Because, contrary to the suggestion in your moniker, you rarely listen.

Rev. Ken

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#9 Feb 23, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
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What a shame and disappointment to Christian unity, as if believing in one God isn't enough....
It isn't: He's one God in three Persons.
Even muslims are monotheists.
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#10 Feb 23, 2013
Man, I'm glad I don't have to waste my life on these considerations, all the while condemning others for their own beliefs. No wonder we can't get ahead, stuck in the Dark Ages.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#11 Feb 24, 2013
Listen to the Word wrote:
If Middle Way and RevKen so favor Christian unity, they should join the Catholic Church. That would set an example for others to follow. If the only reason they do not return to the Catholic church is that they demand their or their church body's separatist doctrines, they are hypocrites. It would be a great step toward Christian unity if TEC and the whole Anglican communion folded and rejoined the Catholic church. But, alas, I am sure that neither Middle Way or RevKen want Christianity that much. In that regard they are like TEC which promotes inclusiveness, but is as exclusive as it gets with anyone who believes the Bible in general and TEC historic doctrine in particular. Then it is the boot instead of a hug. It is the same with their sham tears for a setback in Christian unity.
I attend the roman seminary and studied in Rome where I saw all the evil the church allows to cover it's ass.

Where is the unity that allows those who let children be raped and not reporting a crime?

Where is the unity that allows bigotry in the name of Love?

Where is the unity in rewarding those who allowed crime to occur?

Do you know what a crime is?

I didn't realize you were a roman.

Idiot......

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#12 Feb 24, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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Oh, Baloney!
The Reformation occurred for very good reasons. Reasons that are as much or more valid today than they were 500 years ago.
The Episcopal Church is successfully leading the world's Christianity out of the dark ages and into the Light, Life and Love of Christ Jesus.
What do you bring to this effort? Sour grapes.
Why all the sour grapes? Because, contrary to the suggestion in your moniker, you rarely listen.
Rev. Ken
It's hard to listen to a book.

We'll continue to listen to the living Jesus...

:-)

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#13 Feb 24, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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It isn't: He's one God in three Persons.
Even muslims are monotheists.
My father's house has many mansions - Jesus

What does this mean?

Also, what was the Temple veil?

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#14 Feb 24, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
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My father's house has many mansions - Jesus
What does this mean?...
What does it's meaning have to do with the Tri-une Godhead?

Since: Aug 09

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#15 Feb 24, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
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My father's house has many mansions - Jesus
What does this mean?
Also, what was the Temple veil?
This will likely go over his head and behind his heart.

Nevertheless, your seed, planted must eventually sprout. Let's hope that when it does, it finds water and a fertile, accommodating spot to take root.

The Gospel is made of hope.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#16 Feb 25, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
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My father's house has many mansions - Jesus
What does this mean?...
Jesus said He is THE way, THE Truth and THE life, and that no one comes to His Father but by Him (John 14:6).
What does that mean?

It means those many mansions will have a No Vacancy sign for anyone trying to get in otherwise.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#17 Feb 25, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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I would characterize it differently.
I would contend that the restriction is a continued denial of the reality that a Church-wide unity has always existed.
Well, it's not surprising that you would see it that way.

What's surprising is your insistence "that a Church-wide unity has always existed" in context of you criticizing the Catholics.

Always proofread, Ken. That way you won't contradict yourself so frequently.

Dan

Omaha, NE

#18 Feb 25, 2013
RevKen wrote:
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Oh, Baloney!
The Reformation occurred for very good reasons. Reasons that are as much or more valid today than they were 500 years ago.
The Episcopal Church is successfully leading the world's Christianity out of the dark ages and into the Light, Life and Love of Christ Jesus.
What do you bring to this effort? Sour grapes.
Why all the sour grapes? Because, contrary to the suggestion in your moniker, you rarely listen.
Rev. Ken
He got you, Ken.

You asserted (critically) that the RCC denied that Christian unity existed, then you (twice) affirmed TEC superiority.

You're contradicting yourself, rather insistently to boot.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#19 Feb 25, 2013
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
This will likely go over his head and behind his heart.
Nevertheless, your seed, planted must eventually sprout. Let's hope that when it does, it finds water and a fertile, accommodating spot to take root.
The Gospel is made of hope.
Amen!

One can lead a horse to water....

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#20 Feb 25, 2013
Joe DeCaro wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus said He is THE way, THE Truth and THE life, and that no one comes to His Father but by Him (John 14:6).
What does that mean?
It means those many mansions will have a No Vacancy sign for anyone trying to get in otherwise.
So you don't understand that, along with the Temple Veil and everything else Jesus taught.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

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