Thomas Jefferson: The Face of a Rapist

Americans look at Thomas Jefferson and see the one of the authors of the Declaration of Independence, a statesman, a former president and one of the founding fathers,' however; when I look at him, I see the face of a rapist. Jefferson may have felt love for Sally but how can we possibly term this relationship a love affair? Once they returned to the US, he had the power to have her flogged, or even put to death. At anytime he could have sold her children away from her. For a relationship based in love to exist, both parties must be equal and due to the power differential between Jefferson and Hemings what occurred cannot be described as anything other than rape. Some have even had the nerve to refer to Hemings as the first Black first lady of the United States as a way of further legitimizing the relationship between the two, however; to sanitize it and call it anything other than rape, is to once again violate her spirit. Jefferson was not the first or last White man to sneak into the slave cabins. One of the reasons White women argued so vehemently for the abolition of slavery, was to save the poor overwhelmed White man from the negro temptress. It was not uncommon to see near white or light skinned children resembling the master working on the plantation. The Black woman was and still is blamed for her own rape. Victim blaming began with women of color and continues to this day.

[pulmonary cripple]

Jefferson was nothing but the Bin Laden of America. He was a terrorist, a rapist, and one of the foremost supporters of slavery. Yet we treat him like some sort of hero! LOL!

[shutup if you can help it]

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[WDC]

pulmonary cripple wrote:

Jefferson was nothing but the Bin Laden of America. He was a terrorist, a rapist, and one of the foremost supporters of slavery. Yet we treat him like some sort of hero! LOL!

Not me.

[King Ahzi]

Why are people surprised at this. Imagine if blacks owned whites as slaves. SSSSSSOOOOOOO many white women would have got thier cheeks beat

[pual]

Funning how time changes. Right now black women especially the successful ones love to date white men and have no respect for their own race. They love mixed race children and see them superior to the dark skin.

[Hera]

I want to comment on the below paragraph.
But how did Sally feel? Did she leave any memoirs about her life? It's easy for us to look down on who she was and the power he had, but if they were both truly in love then that power ceases to exist between them. Do we have documentation confirming or denying this in both their words?

"Jefferson may have felt love for Sally but how can we possibly term this relationship a love affair? Once they returned to the US, he had the power to have her flogged, or even put to death. At anytime he could have sold her children away from her. For a relationship based in love to exist, both parties must be equal and due to the power differential between Jefferson and Hemings what occurred cannot be described as anything other than rape.?

[I oppose]

Maybe Miss hemmings had no other choice. Maybe he threatned her that if she would not be with him she would hang due to opposing the relationship. You never know and we never will know. May God rest her soul.
I can't really see how a slave owner could be inlove with his slave. If he loved her so much why didn't he help abolish slavery? Why didn't he free his slaves? A man who is truely inlove would not hid being inlove with whoever he is inlove with. He will freely express it even if it will cost him his life, his wealth, his fame, and his family & friends.

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Jefferson Was Falsely Accused

Reed Irvine

The respected British scientific journal, Nature, is suffering acute embarrassment over the articles it published in its November 1998 issue claiming that a study based on DNA analysis had proven beyond reasonable doubt that Thomas Jefferson had fathered a son by Sally Hemings, one of his slaves. In its January issue Nature ran three letters, including one from the principal author of the November article, pointing out that it had "overstated" the evidence of Jefferson’s paternity.

The article was introduced with this statement by the editors of Nature: "The scandals involving American presidents are nothing new. In 1802 President Thomas Jefferson was accused of fathering a child by Sally Hemings, one of his slaves. A molecular genetics study in the November issue of Nature finally puts the affair to rest, establishing beyond reasonable doubt Thomas Jefferson’s relationship to Sally Hemings’s sons."

The article by Dr. Eugene Foster and others described a study of Y chromosomes from the male-line descendants of President Jefferson’s paternal uncle, Field Jefferson and male-line descendants of two of Sally Hemings’ sons, her alleged first-born, Thomas Woodson, and her last son, Eston Hemings Jefferson. Five male descendants of Jefferson’s uncle, Field Jefferson, were used in this study because Thomas Jefferson had no sons to carry on the line. The chromosomes of the five descendants of Field Jefferson were found to share a distinctive characteristic.

That characteristic was not found in any of the five descendants of Thomas Woodson, proving that Thomas Jefferson was not his father. The allegation that Jefferson had fathered a son named Tom published by a Richmond newspaper in 1802 was what started the long-lived rumor that Jefferson was the father of all Sally Hemings’ children. The descendants of Thomas Woodson have long believed that their ancestor was Thomas Jefferson’s son, but Herbert Barger, the Jefferson family historian, says it is doubtful that Thomas Woodson was even the son of Sally Hemings. There was only one descendant of Sally Hemings’ youngest son, Eston in the study. His Y chromosomes had the distinctive Jefferson characteristic. That was what Nature trumpeted as proving beyond reasonable doubt "Thomas Jefferson’s relationship to Sally Hemings’ sons."

The article itself was a tad more cautious. It allowed that there were other remote possibilities that someone other than the then 65-year-old Thomas Jefferson fathered Eston, but the authors said, "In the absence of historical evidence to support such possibilities, we consider them to be unlikely." But the title of the article threw all such caution to the wind. It read, "Jefferson fathered slave’s last child."

This resulted in numerous articles based on the belief that Jefferson was guilty as charged. Historian Joseph Ellis wrote, "Our heroes—and especially presidents—are not gods or saints, but flesh-and-blood humans, with all the frailties and imperfections that this entails." Others were more critical, calling President Jefferson a hypocrite and perhaps even a rapist. One of the worst was written by Christopher Hitchens and published in The Nation. He suggested that Thomas Jefferson be described as "the slave-owning serial flogger, sex addict and kinsman to ax murderers."

http://www.academia.org/campus_reports/1999/f...

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Richard Cohen, writing in The Washington Post Magazine, implied that Sally Hemings had become pregnant with her supposed first child, Tom, when she was only 14 or 15 years old. He didn’t know that the Nature article had reported that the genetic evidence proved that Thomas Jefferson was not Tom’s father. Mr. Cohen said he had always believed that Thomas Jefferson had fathered Sally’s children and that it was "now a dead certainty." He said the Hemings story made President Jefferson "harder, meaner, selfish—an exploiter."

Messrs. Hitchens, Cohen, and others like them have not welcomed the news that the editors of Nature have admitted that Dr. Foster’s article omitted facts that make it clear that the analysis of the chromosomes did not come close to proving that Thomas Jefferson fathered any of Sally Hemings’ children. The crucial fact that Dr. Foster knew but did not include in his article was that Thomas Jefferson was only one of nine living Jeffersons who might have fathered Eston, passing on to him the distinctive Jefferson Y chromosome.

The most probable candidate, according to Herbert Barger, was Thomas Jefferson’s forgotten younger brother, Randolph. He says Randolph’s wife died around 1793 and he didn’t remarry until 1810. He was a frequent visitor to Monticello, and a slave oral history described him as liking to play the fiddle and dance with Jefferson’s slaves "half the night." Barger told Dr. Foster about Randolph and the seven other Jefferson men who could have fathered children by Hemings. A Nature editor claimed Dr. Foster did not share this information with them and that he approved the headline that declared without any qualification that President Jefferson was Eston’s father.

Dr. Foster acknowledged in an interview with me that he had not informed the editors of Nature that Thomas Jefferson had a younger brother, five nephews and two cousins who could have passed the distinctive Jefferson Y chromosome on to the male children of Sally Hemings. He admitted that he had known of these other Jeffersons, but he said rather testily, "I don’t believe I have to account for all the history."

[djhixx]

Funny how most of his descendants were black...did he not like white girls?

[Vega]

pulmonary cripple wrote:

Jefferson was nothing but the Bin Laden of America. He was a terrorist, a rapist, and one of the foremost supporters of slavery. Yet we treat him like some sort of hero! LOL!

Sally stayed with Jefferson and had many children for him, if he was such terrorist rapist why didn't Sally leave him and don't say she stayed for financial reasons because he would have paid her a nice amount of hush money because he didn't want the sandalas news out the he was having an affair and children with his own slaves.

[shutup if you can help it]

Vega wrote:

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Sally stayed with Jefferson and had many children for him, if he was such terrorist rapist why didn't Sally leave him and don't say she stayed for financial reasons because he would have paid her a nice amount of hush money because he didn't want the sandalas news out the he was having an affair and children with his own slaves.

makes some sense, but leaving meant running away which was illegal meaning she could get hanged!!!!

[pulmonary cripple]

she was a god dam slave you idiot. she was raped, over and over and over. some people are so stupid, it's pathetic.

[Zombie Corpse Rental]

Could be worse. He could be a black African leader, like Idi Amin the cannibal.
Seriously. The man ATE people, but you never seem to write about him. What's up with that?

[Pick]

Bxking wrote:

<quoted text>He was just a filthy perverted pig that couldn't keep his pink pecker inside his pants like most white men during slavery. 1.7 million black women were raped by white men during those times alone. I'm sure he liked white women but he also seemed to have a fetish with black women as well. So much for the " eww i will never sleep with a she-boon" mentality that most white men have. Even to this day the white men that say that crap are usually the first ones to drive across the bridge to the other side of town to cheat on their wives with a black prostitute from a ghetto neighborhood. Go figure.

Sometimes, availability is the sexiest characteristic of all.
BTW, I don't know of any white men who say they wouldn't sleep with black women. There are a lot of racists out there, but nice T&A is nice T&A, no matter what color they are. And the slave owner is gonna take advantage no matter what color he is.

[djhixx]

Pick wrote:

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Sometimes, availability is the sexiest characteristic of all.
BTW, I don't know of any white men who say they wouldn't sleep with black women. There are a lot of racists out there, but nice T&A is nice T&A, no matter what color they are. And the slave owner is gonna take advantage no matter what color he is.

you're in Canada, they've seen a black women before.

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djhixx wrote:

Funny how most of his descendants were black...did he not like white girls?

Sally Hemmings was 3/4 White European and 1/4 African.

She had long straight hair too.

For all intended purposes, she was white! lol

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pulmonary cripple wrote:

she was a god dam slave you idiot. she was raped, over and over and over. some people are so stupid, it's pathetic.

You are an idiot! How would you know dummy? Many slaves were considered part of the family on some plantations.

Thomas Jefferson for all his faults, was a very great man and a founder of the greatest experiment ever!

[George Burnett]

pulmonary cripple wrote:

Jefferson was nothing but the Bin Laden of America. He was a terrorist, a rapist, and one of the foremost supporters of slavery. Yet we treat him like some sort of hero! LOL!

I think you will find that current statistics show that Black men are far more likely to rape and murder than white men.At least Jefferson helped author the Constitution;as compared to standing on the street corner holdin' his nuts and mumbling "muwwerfugger".Don't see many bro's actually getting on the boat for the homeland.

[TombStoned]

Hera wrote:

I want to comment on the below paragraph.
But how did Sally feel? Did she leave any memoirs about her life? It's easy for us to look down on who she was and the power he had, but if they were both truly in love then that power ceases to exist between them. Do we have documentation confirming or denying this in both their words?
"Jefferson may have felt love for Sally but how can we possibly term this relationship a love affair? Once they returned to the US, he had the power to have her flogged, or even put to death. At anytime he could have sold her children away from her. For a relationship based in love to exist, both parties must be equal and due to the power differential between Jefferson and Hemings what occurred cannot be described as anything other than rape.?

This whole thread reminds me of the whacko feminest professor from the University of Michigan, who absolutely believed and taught that any intercourse initiated by a man of a woman was certainly RAPE!

Settle down peeps!