Names Released in Officer-Involved Shooting

Full story: NBC29 Charlottesville

Charlottesville police have released the names of the two people hospitalized after an officer-involved shooting Saturday near the downtown mall.
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21 - 40 of 50 Comments Last updated Mar 21, 2013
Zachary Reid

Charlottesville, VA

#23 Mar 19, 2013
Rookie wrote:
<quoted text>Obvious lesson for rookie cop, just because someone is holding a gun, you do not have the right to shoot on sight. I foresee a multimillion dollar settlement. Officer will be lucky if he does not face charges. Will difinitely go before grand jury. The city needs to do the right thing and let state police take over the investigation to avoid conflict of interest.
I hope your crystal ball is as wrong as your facts are: holding a gun absolutely gives someone who feels you are a threat the right to shoot on sight. Courtesy may require a "drop your weapon" command, but the law does not.
cvillemom

Charlottesville, VA

#24 Mar 19, 2013
Unknown wrote:
A 22 year old (and other youngsters I'm sure) "jumping" a 56 year old? Disgraceful. Perhaps he will learn to respect his elders in the future.
And don't forget, he would have been about 19 when he and his buddies jumped and robbed a student 3 years ago. Quite a history for a young hidden treasure.

It's not clear from the story whether the shooter didn't throw down his gun when the officer told him to, or the officer was trigger-happy. That will make all the difference in the world. Best to let the State Police figure that one out.
Moe

Charlottesville, VA

#25 Mar 19, 2013
ActionJackson wrote:
So why is the Elks getting all the publicity when Fellini's next door has such a "clean" reputation?? And what was it that brought these guys to blows??
Fellinis has mob hits from time to time and nobody complains.
sez you

Charlottesville, VA

#26 Mar 19, 2013
cvillemom wrote:
<quoted text> And don't forget, he would have been about 19 when he and his buddies jumped and robbed a student 3 years ago. Quite a history for a young hidden treasure.
It's not clear from the story whether the shooter didn't throw down his gun when the officer told him to, or the officer was trigger-happy. That will make all the difference in the world. Best to let the State Police figure that one out.
Unfortunately they won't unless asked and Longo ain't gonna ask and Huja ain't got the rocks.
Boodreau

Waynesboro, VA

#27 Mar 19, 2013
Reading posts about the downtown mall makes me think there is a volatile mix of students, locals and alcohol that makes me glad that I live in the valley and a movie at home with the family on weekend nights is all the excitement I need in my life
GreeneGhost

Charlottesville, VA

#28 Mar 19, 2013
Surprise wrote:
A quick survey of local court dockets remarkably reveals what upstanding citizens both men are. The loser in all this will be the cop who did his job to stop an attempted murderer. He will have to contend with the threat of frivolous lawsuits and Monday morning quarterbacking by people with no understanding of what it is like to have to make such calls. It would appear that this is justified (shooting a man that had already shot somebody and despite commands advancing again with his weapon on the other guy). Too bad Longo can't be counted on to have his back. Once the political winds change he will be left to his own devices. It isn't a coincidence that there is an exodus of officers from the city.
Well, I could not find a record for Mr. Brown, and it is unlikely that he would have been able to obtain a concealed weapons permit had he had any felonies on his record. What would appear is that Mr. Brown was justified in shooting the perp. What we do NOT know, yet, are the now curious circumstances why Mr. Brown was shot. I'm not sure how it is that you might know.
Guardian

Charlottesville, VA

#29 Mar 19, 2013
Looks like Quick Draw McGraw may have shot a bit too quickly. Maybe it was never taught, or he didn't pay attention in training that when you give a command to put a weapon down that you actually have to allow for compliance before you shoot them. Maybe the officer had his own Two Second Rule, or simply had his finger on the trigger and shot the CCP holder by accident. That would also explain a wounding when they are trained to shoot center mass which usually means death to the one being shot. I knew Chief Longo looked a bit uncomfortable during his press conference, now we know why. Imagine that, a black man in C'ville with a CCP. I think this guy just hit the Jackpot !!!
Truth

Fredericksburg, VA

#30 Mar 19, 2013
Funny how when Brock didn't want to go along with interview they switched the story around, I was there as this is not how it happened! He was being jumped and then was shot in the back because the guys assaulting him couldn't get the job done with their hands. If you're gonna tell it...TELL IT RIGHT
King Ralph

Charlottesville, VA

#31 Mar 20, 2013
Boodreau wrote:
Reading posts about the downtown mall makes me think there is a volatile mix of students, locals and alcohol that makes me glad that I live in the valley and a movie at home with the family on weekend nights is all the excitement I need in my life
LOL the Downtown Mall is nothing, I remember reading the Progress in High School and never missing the blurb over the weekend about the arrest outside Katie's Country Club. Then many years later about that Japanese (?) restaurant on Ivy Road that stopped inviting rap concerts because of shootings, I was actually at a couple of them, guess I was lucky, although it was still mostly white people there.

Charlottesville is probably in the top 10% of most boring and safe cities in the nation as long as you're not an idiot or looking for trouble. There is lots of crime but it is mostly confined to certain areas which are pretty easy to avoid if you're not a complete tard.
Andrew

Charlottesville, VA

#32 Mar 20, 2013
Just Checking wrote:
Obvious lesson for CHP holders....comply with law enforcement instructions after you have put the puke down!
Absolutely correct. However, the reporting of the story leaves it unclear as to whether the cop gave Brown enough time to comply with the order. The way the story is written is that the order was given, then Brown was shot. If Brown didn't comply in a timely manner, then yes, that's his fault. If the cop over-reacted and fired before Brown could comply, that's an entirely different story.
randomthoughts

Waynesboro, VA

#33 Mar 20, 2013
King Ralph wrote:
<quoted text>

Charlottesville is probably in the top 10% of most boring and safe cities in the nation as long as you're not an idiot or looking for trouble. There is lots of crime but it is mostly confined to certain areas which are pretty easy to avoid if you're not a complete tard.
Agreed .

What I read , hear versus what I have seen on the downtown mall or C-ville in general makes it Seem like two different places .I have never seen anything threatening or 'vicious" violent . A couple drunks shoving and cussing yes. Never heard a gunshot or seen gang activity either.

Andrew

Charlottesville, VA

#34 Mar 20, 2013
Truth wrote:
Funny how when Brock didn't want to go along with interview they switched the story around, I was there as this is not how it happened! He was being jumped and then was shot in the back because the guys assaulting him couldn't get the job done with their hands. If you're gonna tell it...TELL IT RIGHT
Indeed. Please tell it right. Start at the beginning and don't leave out any details. Your explanation is unclear.
Rookie

Charlottesville, VA

#35 Mar 20, 2013
Zachary Reid wrote:
<quoted text>
I hope your crystal ball is as wrong as your facts are: holding a gun absolutely gives someone who feels you are a threat the right to shoot on sight. Courtesy may require a "drop your weapon" command, but the law does not.
Hope you are not a cop as you would shoot everybody on sight. Cops are trained to give commands thats why they are held to a higher standard. It's not a courtesy. Once you give commands you actually have to give time to comply. You cannot shoot and then give commands. Sit back and watch this play out. They will try to invent a charge for the first shooter to cover the cover the officer backside, but I don't see CA going for that so it will go before a special grand jury like or not. In the end, if the officer tells the truth, he will get out of being charge under accidental shoting as he shot before giving time for the conceal holder had time to comply.$$$$$$ signs all over this.
Augco

Charlottesville, VA

#36 Mar 20, 2013
OK. Let me see if I understand this correctly:

- Victim gets assaulted
- Victim defends himself, repels attackers
- Police show up, shoot and apprehend victim?

Did I miss something?
randomthoughts

Waynesboro, VA

#37 Mar 20, 2013
Andrew wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed. Please tell it right. Start at the beginning and don't leave out any details. Your explanation is unclear.
This incident was being built backwards , From the start.
just wondering

Louisa, VA

#38 Mar 20, 2013
Rookie wrote:
<quoted text>Obvious lesson for rookie cop, just because someone is holding a gun, you do not have the right to shoot on sight..
I wonder if this was a rookie cop with "combat experience". There seems to be a lot of jarheads who want to "serve their country and then have a career in law enforcement". I have heard experienced police say these people are dangerous because they see the public as potential enemies, and are completely ignorant of the actual duties of police to serve the public.
Whatever reasons

Charlottesville, VA

#39 Mar 20, 2013
confused wrote:
I thought the Elks lodge was some community organization out in Key West? Didn't realize they had wild booze and fight filled parties?
Sounds like those information booths on the downtown mall are working out real well.
No the one on Pantops is legit. The one near downtown is for people that cannot get accepted on Pantops...
Zachary Reid

Charlottesville, VA

#40 Mar 20, 2013
Rookie wrote:
<quoted text>Hope you are not a cop as you would shoot everybody on sight. Cops are trained to give commands thats why they are held to a higher standard. It's not a courtesy. Once you give commands you actually have to give time to comply. You cannot shoot and then give commands. Sit back and watch this play out. They will try to invent a charge for the first shooter to cover the cover the officer backside, but I don't see CA going for that so it will go before a special grand jury like or not. In the end, if the officer tells the truth, he will get out of being charge under accidental shoting as he shot before giving time for the conceal holder had time to comply.$$$$$$ signs all over this.
You are simply incorrect. The law does not require you to give any kind of warning if you feel there is an imminent life threat. Departmental policies may encourage officers to give a warning, but in the end, if the officer thinks that trigger is about to be pulled, he/she is to shoot the perpetrator regardless of how much time has lapsed since any warning may have been given. The only thing that matters is what the officer believed was about to happen and whether or not such a belief was reasonable. Obviously thinking this guy might be about to fire again was reasonable as the gun was still out and he was standing over the "victim"...This isn't just a good shoot, it's a great shoot. And I'm not a cop or anything law related.
STAND FAST

Waynesboro, VA

#41 Mar 20, 2013
There needs to be an investigation conducted external to the Longo Posse. The CHP holder had to have a felony-free record, never been judged incompetent by the court, and have documented training to have gotten the CHP he possesses.
Rob

Charlottesville, VA

#42 Mar 20, 2013
Augco wrote:
OK. Let me see if I understand this correctly:
- Victim gets assaulted
- Victim defends himself, repels attackers
- Police show up, shoot and apprehend victim?
Did I miss something?
Yes don't believe everything you read.

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