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Why your religion has nothing to do with abortion: One outraged Virginian's perspective

There are 1577 comments on the Feministing story from Sep 17, 2012, titled Why your religion has nothing to do with abortion: One outraged Virginian's perspective. In it, Feministing reports that:

If you've been following the conservative assault on reproductive rights, then you might know that Virginia recently suffered a right-wing takeover that threatens to shut down almost every single abortion clinic in the state.

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“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#1546 Jan 21, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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Shut up bitner, and continue running your secondhandshop/hairscruffy company!
No, I will not shut up.

And no, that's not my business.

You're still insane. There is no such thing as an "evil" baby.
Largelanguage

Halkyn, UK

#1547 Jan 22, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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So, a baby isn't "born evil", however 1 second AFTER he is born, then he's evil because "so is everyone else".
But not Noah, his wife, his 3 sons or their 3 wives ALL of whom were born in the exact same nation as these "evil" babies.
So, why weren't those 8 people (4 of which are completely unrelated to one another) not evil while a newborn was evil?
It was the entire nation and world that was evil during the flood, so the babies became evil and chose evil because of the effect of being in an evil world! Noah was unable to be considered a part of the world, so Noahs children were not evil.
Largelanguage

Halkyn, UK

#1548 Jan 22, 2013
Conservative Democrat wrote:
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What's the matter puny; truth hurts??
Bitner never speaks the truth. Do you have a wife? No? Marry bitner! You're bigotry would get along well!

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#1549 Jan 22, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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Bitner never speaks the truth. Do you have a wife? No? Marry bitner! You're bigotry would get along well!
I don't lie.

He does have a wife, in fact. And I already have a husband.

You're insane. There is no such thing as an "evil" baby.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#1550 Jan 22, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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It was the entire nation and world that was evil during the flood, so the babies became evil and chose evil because of the effect of being in an evil world! Noah was unable to be considered a part of the world, so Noahs children were not evil.
So, anyone born into this world would become evil. That means that they didn't have free will and neither do you.

It means that you are a product of whatever society you are brought up in and have NO ABILITY to choose God over that society.

It also means that God has NO ABILITY to convince people to pick a different path than the one they are born into. He can't make a valid argument or an impressive display which will change their minds.

So, your church is meaningless. Kids are either born good or evil and nothing you say or do will ever change that.
Largelanguage

Halkyn, UK

#1551 Jan 22, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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So, anyone born into this world would become evil. That means that they didn't have free will and neither do you.
It means that you are a product of whatever society you are brought up in and have NO ABILITY to choose God over that society.
It also means that God has NO ABILITY to convince people to pick a different path than the one they are born into. He can't make a valid argument or an impressive display which will change their minds.
So, your church is meaningless. Kids are either born good or evil and nothing you say or do will ever change that.
You are such a big idiot! Being a psyopath isn't innate! Babies have the choice, but what determines how they decide is based on the evilnesses of the nation.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#1552 Jan 22, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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You are such a big idiot! Being a psyopath isn't innate! Babies have the choice, but what determines how they decide is based on the evilnesses of the nation.
You are claiming that God _KNEW_ in advance that these babies would become evil and that there was no way to avoid that.

Even though Noah's wife and 3 daughter-in-laws were all born into the exact same society and ended up being not evil.

So, since those 4 women could change, why couldn't a 5th person change? Why couldn't God come up with a better solution than murdering EVERYONE?

We know from Exodus that God can force the Pharaoh to keep the Jews in Egypt despite his wanting them to leave.

Clearly God should have the power to convince a 5th person that Noah and his family have the right idea without murdering people on the other side of the planet.

“2014 TDF”

Since: Mar 09

Boca Raton, FL.

#1553 Jan 22, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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Bitner never speaks the truth. Do you have a wife? No? Marry bitner! You're bigotry would get along well!
When Bitner said you're insane, she was, and is, speaking the truth.

Bitner is married, and so am I. And no, we're not married to each other.

Do you have a wife? Because from your level of frustration, seems like you've been without a woman for a long time.

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

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#1554 Jan 22, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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Shut up bitner, and continue running your secondhandshop/hairscruffy company!
Nothing like a Jesus follower to spread love and joy to his brothers and sisters!

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

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#1555 Jan 22, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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It was the entire nation and world that was evil during the flood, so the babies became evil and chose evil because of the effect of being in an evil world! Noah was unable to be considered a part of the world, so Noahs children were not evil.
What kind of crap is this?!

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#1556 Jan 22, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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What kind of crap is this?!
We need someone who can translate "Fundie" into "English"..........

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Largelanguage

Halkyn, UK

#1557 Jan 23, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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You are claiming that God _KNEW_ in advance that these babies would become evil and that there was no way to avoid that.
Even though Noah's wife and 3 daughter-in-laws were all born into the exact same society and ended up being not evil.
So, since those 4 women could change, why couldn't a 5th person change? Why couldn't God come up with a better solution than murdering EVERYONE?
We know from Exodus that God can force the Pharaoh to keep the Jews in Egypt despite his wanting them to leave.
Clearly God should have the power to convince a 5th person that Noah and his family have the right idea without murdering people on the other side of the planet.
The babies chose to be evil in the womb. God should have punished the wicked, not save them, that is why he couldn't come up with a different solution,

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#1558 Jan 23, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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The babies chose to be evil in the womb. God should have punished the wicked, not save them, that is why he couldn't come up with a different solution,
Then God is not good.

If God chooses to punish rather than teach, his motives are not benevolent.

God has, by your own teachings, LIMITLESS options. He can do literally anything. He can force people to believe one thing or another.

In Exodus, he LITERALLY "hardens Pharaohs heart" so that Pharaoh won't let the Jews leave Egypt. Then he sends in Moses to demand that they be allowed to leave.

Pharaoh CAN'T let them leave because God won't allow him to make that decisions.

So God murders all the first born children in Egypt (including newborns, the children of slaves, the children of laborers who were friends to the Jews, ALL of them). Only after he has been sated in blood does God elect to allow the Pharaoh to have the free will to do what he wanted to do in the first place - let the Jews go.

THIS is who your book tells you you should worship.

If I told you these stories and just changed the names so that I wasn't saying "God", you would SWEAR that I was talking about Satan.
Largelanguage

Halkyn, UK

#1559 Jan 23, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Then God is not good.
If God chooses to punish rather than teach, his motives are not benevolent.
God has, by your own teachings, LIMITLESS options. He can do literally anything. He can force people to believe one thing or another.
In Exodus, he LITERALLY "hardens Pharaohs heart" so that Pharaoh won't let the Jews leave Egypt. Then he sends in Moses to demand that they be allowed to leave.
Pharaoh CAN'T let them leave because God won't allow him to make that decisions.
So God murders all the first born children in Egypt (including newborns, the children of slaves, the children of laborers who were friends to the Jews, ALL of them). Only after he has been sated in blood does God elect to allow the Pharaoh to have the free will to do what he wanted to do in the first place - let the Jews go.
THIS is who your book tells you you should worship.
If I told you these stories and just changed the names so that I wasn't saying "God", you would SWEAR that I was talking about Satan.
God hardened the hearts of the hard! God murdered evil egyptian babies! And who the babies were became evil, teaching wouldn't change them!

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#1560 Jan 23, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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God hardened the hearts of the hard! God murdered evil egyptian babies! And who the babies were became evil, teaching wouldn't change them!
You're contradicting yourself.

You've said, to paraphrase, that no one is born evil, that "God" knew they'd BECOME evil later, AND that they were evil at the time they were killed.

Which is it? Because all three cannot possibly be true. Make up what passes for your mind.
Largelanguage

Halkyn, UK

#1561 Jan 23, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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You're contradicting yourself.
You've said, to paraphrase, that no one is born evil, that "God" knew they'd BECOME evil later, AND that they were evil at the time they were killed.
Which is it? Because all three cannot possibly be true. Make up what passes for your mind.
They weren't born evil.

They weren't good or bad.

They were then given some choice.

They chose evil based on what good they knew and hated what is good rejected what came from good.

Who they were became evil.

God had to kill them.

Not teach them, because they wouldn't accept it, no matter how much truth they understood, because who they were was evil.

Bitner became stupid.

Nuggin became stupid.

Conservative democrat became stupid.

God had to kill Bitner.

God had to kill Nuggin.

God had to kill Conservative democrat.

Largelanguage laughed at them all.

God was happy.

Largelanguage was happy.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#1562 Jan 23, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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God hardened the hearts of the hard! God murdered evil egyptian babies! And who the babies were became evil, teaching wouldn't change them!
Then the entire premise of your religion is wrong.

If "teaching" can't change someone who is evil, then there is no changing someone who is evil. Therefore freewill does not exist. Jesus "redeeming" people was worthless.

The evil will be evil.

And, if you define "evil" by "punishing people for things they MIGHT do, not what they already have done." Then God is clearly evil.

Since: Sep 07

Los Angeles, CA

#1563 Jan 23, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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They weren't born evil.
They weren't good or bad.
They were then given some choice.
You said that the choose to be evil IN THE WOMB. That means that they were born evil and that they could not be changed from birth.
Who they were became evil.
A one day old baby had "become evil"? How?
Or do you mean that in the future that baby would inevitably become evil because it has no freewill and God is powerless to do anything about it.
God had to kill them.
An infinitely powerful being does not "have" to kill anyone. He has an INFINITE number of solutions.
God had to kill
Largelanguage laughed
God was happy.
Largelanguage was happy.
See. Christianity is a profoundly evil religion that glorifies in senseless violence against people who do not deserve it.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#1564 Jan 23, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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They weren't born evil.
They weren't good or bad.
They were then given some choice.
They chose evil based on what good they knew and hated what is good rejected what came from good.
Who they were became evil.
God had to kill them.
Not teach them, because they wouldn't accept it, no matter how much truth they understood, because who they were was evil.
Bitner became stupid.
Nuggin became stupid.
Conservative democrat became stupid.
God had to kill Bitner.
God had to kill Nuggin.
God had to kill Conservative democrat.
Largelanguage laughed at them all.
God was happy.
Largelanguage was happy.
Smalllanguage is the one who is stupid. Babies can't "choose" to be "evil", Insane One.

Again, you've made contradictory statements. You've said they chose to be "evil in the womb", AND that they weren't born evil, AND that your god had to kill them because he knew they would BECOME evil, AND that they already were evil as babies.

Again, those statements cannot all be true, make up what passes for your mind.
Largelanguage

Halkyn, UK

#1565 Jan 23, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Then the entire premise of your religion is wrong.
If "teaching" can't change someone who is evil, then there is no changing someone who is evil. Therefore freewill does not exist. Jesus "redeeming" people was worthless.
The evil will be evil.
And, if you define "evil" by "punishing people for things they MIGHT do, not what they already have done." Then God is clearly evil.
Teaching can't change someone who loves what is wrong, because it is wrong!

Me: "Child this is wrong, you shouldn't do this"
Child: "Really? I LOVE what is wrong, thanks for telling me this! I love it because it is wrong!".

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