Why your religion has nothing to do with abortion: One outraged Virginian's perspective

[Ocean56]

Long Night Moon 13 wrote:

There's no getting through to that guy. He seems simple. He doesn't get the concept between "need" and "want" and he doesn't get that a zygote or an embryo is not a "baby".

True, but I'll keep stating those facts anyway. He's not the only guy with incredibly BACKWARD beliefs when it comes to women, so I'll go on saying people don't have to have kids if they don't WANT them.

The very idea that people can ENJOY life without children makes this guy go full steam crazy for some reason. Not that it matters to me, as NOBODY has to live by his stupid beliefs.

[Ocean56]

Orangelion wrote:

Explain these cases then of these careFREE men and women. I am not whining, It is simply and open forum for us to comment and.

Again, NO ONE has to "explain" anything to you, junior. I know several childFREE men and women who thoroughly enjoy life because they DON'T have children. Yeah, I know it seems to make you go nuts that people can enjoy life without having the many responsibilities of parenting, but too bad for you.

Many men and women just DON'T WANT CHILDREN. Deal with it.

[Orangelion]

Ocean56 wrote:

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True, but I'll keep stating those facts anyway. He's not the only guy with incredibly BACKWARD beliefs when it comes to women, so I'll go on saying people don't have to have kids if they don't WANT them.
The very idea that people can ENJOY life without children makes this guy go full steam crazy for some reason. Not that it matters to me, as NOBODY has to live by his stupid beliefs.

It was a passing comment, your the one who jumped on that comment.

[Ocean56]

Orangelion wrote:

Feminists have arrived increasing the amount of selfish people. Before ignorant feminists and their self centered doctrine these people were few in number. CAREfree people corrolated with HUMANITYfree people.

Awwwww, why do you such stupid things like that, because you can't order any woman around?

News flash for you, dude; NO woman has to go out with you, marry you, or have kids with you. Both marriage and motherhood are CHOICES for women now, not requirements or obligations. This is 2012, not 1952, and no woman has to settle for the title of "Occupation: housewife."

[Orangelion]

Ocean56 wrote:

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Again, NO ONE has to "explain" anything to you, junior. I know several childFREE men and women who thoroughly enjoy life because they DON'T have children. Yeah, I know it seems to make you go nuts that people can enjoy life without having the many responsibilities of parenting, but too bad for you.
Many men and women just DON'T WANT CHILDREN. Deal with it.

These same careFREE people would go nuts if they had children.

[Long Night Moon 13]

Orangelion wrote:

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I said, they aren't always an embryo, a cell, they are people at times when they are classified for abortion.

They are not even born yet, so no they're not "people", and I'm not even sure what "classified for abortion" actually means.

[Long Night Moon 13]

Ocean56 wrote:

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True, but I'll keep stating those facts anyway. He's not the only guy with incredibly BACKWARD beliefs when it comes to women, so I'll go on saying people don't have to have kids if they don't WANT them.
The very idea that people can ENJOY life without children makes this guy go full steam crazy for some reason. Not that it matters to me, as NOBODY has to live by his stupid beliefs.

Well he doesn't get to decide for other people what's best for them...unless maybe he thinks he speaks for God...or is God.

[Ocean56]

Orangelion wrote:

These same childFREE people would go nuts if they had children.

Maybe some of them would, so they make sure they DON'T. If some people know they don't like or want children, making sure they don't have them is the RESPONSIBLE choice.

Parenthood is still OPTIONAL, not required, which means people can choose NEVER to be parents. The childfree choice is just as valid and responsible as the choice to be parents, regardless of what nonsense backward-thinking, anti-choice imbeciles like you believe.

[Ocean56]

Long Night Moon 13 wrote:

Well he doesn't get to decide for other people what's best for them...unless maybe he thinks he speaks for God...or is God.

Nope, he definitely doesn't get to decide that for anyone but himself.

[Orangelion]

Long Night Moon 13 wrote:

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They are not even born yet, so no they're not "people", and I'm not even sure what "classified for abortion" actually means.

If past a certain date abortion isn't allowed. Just because someone isn't born doesn't mean they aren't people.

[Orangelion]

Ocean56 wrote:

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Maybe some of them would, so they make sure they DON'T. If some people know they don't like or want children, making sure they don't have them is the RESPONSIBLE choice.
Parenthood is still OPTIONAL, not required, which means people can choose NEVER to be parents. The childfree choice is just as valid and responsible as the choice to be parents, regardless of what nonsense backward-thinking, anti-choice imbeciles like you believe.

Of course its their choice and they have that right, but anyone wanting to be childfree is quite dubious and probably can't face up to having children.

[Orangelion]

Ocean56 wrote:

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Nope, he definitely doesn't get to decide that for anyone but himself.

It is an open thread, I don't comment expecting to change you.

[Ocean56]

Orangelion wrote:

Of course its their choice and they have that right, but anyone wanting to be childfree is quite dubious and probably can't face up to having children.

Whatever, dude. ChildFREE people who quite enjoy life without the many responsibilities of children probably couldn't care less what pronatalist morons like you think.

Parenthood is still OPTIONAL, not required. Deal with it.

[Long Night Moon 13]

Ocean56 wrote:

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Nope, he definitely doesn't get to decide that for anyone but himself.

And that's the way it should be.

[Long Night Moon 13]

Orangelion wrote:

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If past a certain date abortion isn't allowed. Just because someone isn't born doesn't mean they aren't people.

Yes, it does.

[Orangelion]

Ocean56 wrote:

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Whatever, dude. ChildFREE people who quite enjoy life without the many responsibilities of children probably couldn't care less what pronatalist morons like you think.
Parenthood is still OPTIONAL, not required. Deal with it.

Yes, but I doubt those same people have much going to them emotionally. I have no desire to enforce anything on those types of people, but I hardly look at them with respect.

[Orangelion]

Long Night Moon 13 wrote:

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Yes, it does.

How? Give me evidence. A babies brain is fully developed during pregnancy.

[Orangelion]

Ocean56 wrote:

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Whatever, dude. ChildFREE people who quite enjoy life without the many responsibilities of children probably couldn't care less what pronatalist morons like you think.
Parenthood is still OPTIONAL, not required. Deal with it.

Kids like to say, "whatever" as a comeback because they don't like the fact that the have lost LOL.

[Ocean56]

Orangelion wrote:

Yes, but I doubt those same people have much going to them emotionally. I have no desire to enforce anything on those types of people, but I hardly look at them with respect.

Regarding your last statement, why do you think childfree people don't merit respect?

If some women and men know they don't like or want children, they are making the wise and RESPONSIBLE choice not to have them. That tells me they have a lot more going for them emotionally than you want to believe. And, of course, they have a lot more freedom too, which I suspect is what angers you the most.

[Orangelion]

Ocean56 wrote:

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Regarding your last statement, why do you think childfree people don't merit respect?
If some women and men know they don't like or want children, they are making the wise and RESPONSIBLE choice not to have them. That tells me they have a lot more going for them emotionally than you want to believe. And, of course, they have a lot more freedom too, which I suspect is what angers you the most.

But if they could manage it would they need to make the choice not to have them? They are obviously worried about having children.