Why your religion has nothing to do with abortion: One outraged Virginian's perspective

Sep 17, 2012 Full story: Feministing 1,598

If you've been following the conservative assault on reproductive rights, then you might know that Virginia recently suffered a right-wing takeover that threatens to shut down almost every single abortion clinic in the state.

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“Blessed Be”

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#1 Sep 17, 2012
Well said, Matthew. I agree 100%.

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#2 Sep 18, 2012
Bitner wrote:
Well said, Matthew. I agree 100%.
reinforcing your box eh? Gonna try and deny that you support abortion again?
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#3 Sep 18, 2012
Bitner wrote:
Well said, Matthew. I agree 100%.
Me too. It's no coincidence that Virginia's governor is a right-wing theocrat who actually went to that lunatic Pat Robertson's "university."

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#4 Sep 18, 2012
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>reinforcing your box eh? Gonna try and deny that you support abortion again?
I don't support abortion. My response was in reply to the author's actual post, that religious objections should have no place in any debate ABOUT abortion, or in our laws. And it's true.

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#5 Sep 18, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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I don't support abortion. My response was in reply to the author's actual post, that religious objections should have no place in any debate ABOUT abortion, or in our laws. And it's true.
about supporting abortion! It is true that you are reinforcing your box. Why accuse me of putting you in it. Every post you post shows your support of abortion, even those that say you don't support it.

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#6 Sep 18, 2012
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>about supporting abortion! It is true that you are reinforcing your box. Why accuse me of putting you in it. Every post you post shows your support of abortion, even those that say you don't support it.
Wrong. The author's point was as I stated. That religious objections have no place in this debate, or our laws. Period.

I don't support abortion. You are lying.

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#7 Sep 18, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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Wrong. The author's point was as I stated. That religious objections have no place in this debate, or our laws. Period.
I don't support abortion. You are lying.
so you don't support all the choices? So that means you are actually anti-choice. Wow that took an unexpected twist!

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#8 Sep 18, 2012
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>so you don't support all the choices? So that means you are actually anti-choice. Wow that took an unexpected twist!
Spamming the forum with your lies is just pathetic.

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#9 Sep 18, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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Spamming the forum with your lies is just pathetic.
unable to respond to the truth like you do is pathetic.

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#10 Sep 18, 2012
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>unable to respond to the truth like you do is pathetic.
You haven't posted the truth about my position. I have no obligation to respond to your lies when I choose not to.

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#11 Sep 18, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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You haven't posted the truth about my position. I have no obligation to respond to your lies when I choose not to.
everyone can see your position, and you support child killing and call it abortion. Hey, don't like your position change it.

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#12 Sep 18, 2012
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>everyone can see your position, and you support child killing and call it abortion. Hey, don't like your position change it.
I do no such thing. You are lying again.

I have no need to change my position. It is simply not what you say it is.

Have you even READ the article? Or are you just stalking me?

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#13 Sep 18, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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I do no such thing. You are lying again.
I have no need to change my position. It is simply not what you say it is.
Have you even READ the article? Or are you just stalking me?
Yes, I read the article and a very pro-abortion article at that!

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#14 Sep 18, 2012
Bitner wrote:
Well said, Matthew. I agree 100%.
from the article that you agree with 100 percent:
"I was there on Friday as part of the public demonstration that this issue is important to us, that we will not stand for such tactics being used to circumvent the law and limit access to safe, legal abortion."

sounds a lot like support for abortion and a dirty little box you've built for yourself.

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#15 Sep 18, 2012
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>from the article that you agree with 100 percent:
"I was there on Friday as part of the public demonstration that this issue is important to us, that we will not stand for such tactics being used to circumvent the law and limit access to safe, legal abortion."
sounds a lot like support for abortion and a dirty little box you've built for yourself.
I was agreeing with his point about religion, as I've already stated. But don't let facts stop your dishonesty.

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#16 Sep 18, 2012
Ocean56 wrote:
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Me too. It's no coincidence that Virginia's governor is a right-wing theocrat who actually went to that lunatic Pat Robertson's "university."
Agreed! One should always be cautious of Pat Robertson's university lunatic graduates. There's also Oral Robert's university, which whack job Michele Bachmann is a product of, graduates nutjobs too.

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#17 Sep 19, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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I was agreeing with his point about religion, as I've already stated. But don't let facts stop your dishonesty.
okay, you want to talk about facts. The fact is that agreeing 100 percent means total, absolute, unequivocally agreement with what was being said, and that is your quote. That was the very first post and so that means the whole article. Sounds very pro-abortion to me, and you didn't distinguish that you were only talking about the religious aspect in that, however, religion does have a place in this debate. One thing about it though is that this can be argued with out using religion. Fact, The child is a human, came from a human being, not just one, but two, and that leaves no other alternative, but for the unborn child to be a human being, deserving of the same rights as any other human being and deserves the dignity afforded to the rest of the members of this great country in which we live and have religious freedom, endowed with the same rights declared in the declaration of independance.
The dishonesty starts with you! Care to reconcile that with your later point and admit that you are the one being dishonest, or will you continue to twist and shout until I just give up on you.

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#18 Sep 19, 2012
marysaidyes2life wrote:
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"okay, you want to talk about facts. The fact is that agreeing 100 percent means total, absolute, unequivocally agreement with what was being said, and that is your quote."

No, my 100% agreement was with his point, that religion has no place in this debate, or our laws. You don't get to tell me what I was agreeing with. Period.

"That was the very first post and so that means the whole article."

No.

"Sounds very pro-abortion to me, and you didn't distinguish that you were only talking about the religious aspect in that, however, religion does have a place in this debate."

No, it does not.

"One thing about it though is that this can be argued with out using religion."

I doubt that.

"Fact, The child is a human, came from a human being, not just one, but two, and that leaves no other alternative, but for the unborn child to be a human being, deserving of the same rights as any other human being and deserves the dignity afforded to the rest of the members of this great country in which we live and have religious freedom, endowed with the same rights declared in the declaration of independance."

Since human being is a philosophical designation, and that is a matter of BELIEF, you're not really arguing "without religion". You're just not MENTIONING that this is your religious belief.

"The dishonesty starts with you!"

Nope. You are the one being dishonest.

"Care to reconcile that with your later point and admit that you are the one being dishonest, or will you continue to twist and shout until I just give up on you."

I have not been dishonest. You have.

I do not support abortion. Period.

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#19 Sep 19, 2012
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
"okay, you want to talk about facts. The fact is that agreeing 100 percent means total, absolute, unequivocally agreement with what was being said, and that is your quote."
No, my 100% agreement was with his point, that religion has no place in this debate, or our laws. You don't get to tell me what I was agreeing with. Period.
"That was the very first post and so that means the whole article."
No.
"Sounds very pro-abortion to me, and you didn't distinguish that you were only talking about the religious aspect in that, however, religion does have a place in this debate."
No, it does not.
"One thing about it though is that this can be argued with out using religion."
I doubt that.
"Fact, The child is a human, came from a human being, not just one, but two, and that leaves no other alternative, but for the unborn child to be a human being, deserving of the same rights as any other human being and deserves the dignity afforded to the rest of the members of this great country in which we live and have religious freedom, endowed with the same rights declared in the declaration of independance."
Since human being is a philosophical designation, and that is a matter of BELIEF, you're not really arguing "without religion". You're just not MENTIONING that this is your religious belief.
"The dishonesty starts with you!"
Nope. You are the one being dishonest.
"Care to reconcile that with your later point and admit that you are the one being dishonest, or will you continue to twist and shout until I just give up on you."
I have not been dishonest. You have.
I do not support abortion. Period.
being means exist, and that is not just philosophical but reality.
No, really? so you don't agree that 100 percent means absolute, total and uniquivocal?

Come on bitner, your lies are getting worse and worse but easier and easier to spot!

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#20 Sep 19, 2012
marysaidyes2life wrote:
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"being means exist, and that is not just philosophical but reality.
No, really?"

No one said anything about the word "being". We're talking about a whole phrase, human being, which is a philosophical/religious concept.

"so you don't agree that 100 percent means absolute, total and uniquivocal?"

Of course not. And I absolutely, unequivocally, totally agree with the author's premise that religion has no place in the debate, or our laws.

"Come on bitner, your lies are getting worse and worse but easier and easier to spot"

I haven't lied. You have, though.

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