Anti-choice forces are relentless. Li...

Anti-choice forces are relentless. Like it or not, so must their foes be

There are 1146 comments on the Daily Kos story from Feb 27, 2012, titled Anti-choice forces are relentless. Like it or not, so must their foes be. In it, Daily Kos reports that:

Virginia State Sen. Janet Howell wanted to amend a mandatory pre-abortion ultrasound bill by requiring rectal exams and cardiac stress tests before allowing prescriptions for erectile dysfunction medication.

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George S

Hartselle, AL

#406 Jun 28, 2012
The anti-health care choice 'forces' have gained a major victory today as the desire of the majority has been swept away in favor of a tryanny of a handful of crooked politicians.

Ed _W

Richmond, VA

#407 Jun 29, 2012
Ink wrote:
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Then why do so many women suffer with remorse and guilt after the abortion and for years later?
Because it's not an easy choice. Sometimes the lesser of two evils is still painful.
If you had to shoot someone to save another, do you think you would have no emotional response to the fact that you just shot a man?
In most cases people make this choice out of necessity, it's not just done on a whim. Note, I said MOST.

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#408 Jun 30, 2012
Ink wrote: "Then why do so many women suffer with remorse and guilt after the abortion and for years later?"
Ed _W wrote:
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Because it's not an easy choice. Sometimes the lesser of two evils is still painful.
If you had to shoot someone to save another, do you think you would have no emotional response to the fact that you just shot a man?
In most cases people make this choice out of necessity, it's not just done on a whim. Note, I said MOST.
It might also have something to do with all the hormonal changes women go through, when pregnant even for a few days. Those 'anti-choice forces' figuratively beating women over the head with their opinion that abortion is murder, and the religious right insisting that women are nothing more than a life support system for a uterus, don't help the situation either...women, according to the Bible, are supposed to feel guilt and shame for being born female in the first place.
That some women who miscarry, suffer from guilt and shame that their bodies weren't able to carry a pregnancy to term, never makes it to the headlines with these folks. And wouldn't ya know, some women feel guilt and shame for bringing their children into this bad old world. Anti-choicers never talk about that.
Bingo

Round Lake, IL

#409 Jun 30, 2012
Wow, isn't it fortunate that these pro aborts have a voice to fight against laws they don't like.
Too bad they've helped to silence the voices of over fifty million unborn babys who can't speak up for their own lives. Heartless bullies.

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#410 Jun 30, 2012
Bingo wrote:
Wow, isn't it fortunate that these pro aborts have a voice to fight against laws they don't like.
Too bad they've helped to silence the voices of over fifty million unborn babys who can't speak up for their own lives. Heartless bullies.
Since the law is in favor of reproductive choice, it's the pro-fetus/anti-mother faction which fights against it. Abortion will never be illegal - politicians won't ever relinquish its value as a political tool, for use as both a wedge between ideologies, and a stick for stirring the pot.
heh

Charlottesville, VA

#411 Jul 1, 2012
The only tangible references to religion were created by humans since religion is a thought. If you revisit those thoughts over and over they become part of your nature and can even cloud your judgement.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/01/t...
Jorja Fox

Eagle Rock, VA

#413 Oct 17, 2013
Nearing the time to vote in Virginia. Remember who is anti-choice-Ken Cuccinelli=bad for Virginia women!!

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#414 Oct 17, 2013
Ink wrote:
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There is no problem for those who have ne regret. They are of no concern. The concern is for the women who make a rash judgement and suffer consequences later. As I said before, not rushing into a live long decision could be beneficial to that mother and certainly her child. I don't see how anyone can have a problem with this thought.
The concern is only for those who "...properly regret their abortion..."

The ones your SCPL propaganda aims to convince they made the wrong choice.

Those creatures for whom state sanctioned instrumental rape and coercion wasn't effective enough to further your goal, and who decide to have an abortion ANYWAY, deserve what they got, and are 'of no concern'.

Got it.
Jorja Fox

Cullen, VA

#416 Nov 1, 2013
Cuccinelli & Obenshain- phony concern for women/girls-the ONLY concern they have is controlling them
http://www.herringforag.com/women/mark-herrin...
Mark Herring strongly believes that women’s healthcare decisions are personal, not political, and that politicians in Richmond have no right to be involved in them. As Virginia’s next Attorney General, he will defend a woman’s right to make personal, private decisions regarding her reproductive health and he will continue to be a strong voice in the fight against the extreme agenda of Ken Cuccinelli and his allies in Richmond.
http://www.herringforag.com/issues/equality-a...
Mark will use the power of the Attorney General to support initiatives to protect lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) Virginians from discrimination and disparate treatment in state and local agencies and programs.
Mark Herring believes that civil marriage is a fundamental right, and he supports marriage equality for same-gender couples. In addition, as he works to change the current law prohibiting such marriages, Mark will work with state and local agencies to define ways to allow same-gender couples to access state-provided employee health and life insurance benefits without violating the current constitutional prohibition on relationship recognition.

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#417 Nov 3, 2013
Jorja wrote:
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It is a difficult decision to make - and of course emotions are involved. Sometimes tough decisions need to be made and women deserve the right to make their own choices..period. We don't need anyone telling us what we can or can not do regarding our own health care issues.
Exactly. The notion that the pro-life community is altruistic to women when trying to block them from their right to self-determination is a convoluted and transparent lie. It has very little to do with "saving babies" to the religious right, especially its men. It has everything to do with control and their fear of losing it.
Ink

Levittown, PA

#418 Nov 3, 2013
Ed _W wrote:
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Because it's not an easy choice. Sometimes the lesser of two evils is still painful.
If you had to shoot someone to save another, do you think you would have no emotional response to the fact that you just shot a man?
In most cases people make this choice out of necessity, it's not just done on a whim. Note, I said MOST.
How many of the fifty million do you think were a necessity?
Ink

Levittown, PA

#419 Nov 3, 2013
shovelhead72 wrote:
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The concern is only for those who "...properly regret their abortion..."
The ones your SCPL propaganda aims to convince they made the wrong choice.
Those creatures for whom state sanctioned instrumental rape and coercion wasn't effective enough to further your goal, and who decide to have an abortion ANYWAY, deserve what they got, and are 'of no concern'.
Got it.
I see you thought that you needed to add your words to my text. How generous. The only problem is that your words change my meaning but I guess, that is your plan.

Too bad you didn't 'get' anything but your own ideas.

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#420 Nov 3, 2013
Ink wrote:
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How many of the fifty million do you think were a necessity?
Apparently, fifty million.

At least the formerly pregnant women thought so...and their opinion on the matter is the only one that...wait for it....

M A T T E R S.

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#421 Nov 5, 2013
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>I see you thought that you needed to add your words to my text. How generous. The only problem is that your words change my meaning but I guess, that is your plan..
My intention was to clarify your meaning. I understand that you don't appreciate this.
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>There is no problem for those who have no regret..
What does that mean?

Please tell us how women being coerced into instrumental rape, and other women accepting it as a legal deterrent to abortion, is 'no problem'. Because I see it as a very big problem, Missy.
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>They are of no concern..
What does this mean?
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>The concern is for the women who make a rash judgement and suffer consequences later..
so, NOT for the women who have an abortion and just continue on with their individual lives.

If not that, what does your statement MEAN?? Please elucidate.
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>As I said before, not rushing into a live long decision could be beneficial to that mother and certainly her child..
Aborting the pregnancy could (and usually does) have long term beneficial results for the woman AND her other children. As I've said before.

You just CHOOSE to ignore the benefits, because you disapprove of the means to achieving them.

Tough. Those benefits still accrue.
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>I don't see how anyone can have a problem with this thought..
That's because you can't see beyond the end of your slimy, inquisitive proboscis.
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>Too bad you didn't 'get' anything but your own ideas.
You still haven't come up with any. Now's your chance.
Ink

Levittown, PA

#422 Nov 5, 2013
shovelhead72 wrote:
<quoted text>My intention was to clarify your meaning. I understand that you don't appreciate this.
<quoted text>What does that mean?
Please tell us how women being coerced into instrumental rape, and other women accepting it as a legal deterrent to abortion, is 'no problem'. Because I see it as a very big problem, Missy.
<quoted text>What does this mean?
<quoted text> so, NOT for the women who have an abortion and just continue on with their individual lives.
If not that, what does your statement MEAN?? Please elucidate.
<quoted text> Aborting the pregnancy could (and usually does) have long term beneficial results for the woman AND her other children. As I've said before.
You just CHOOSE to ignore the benefits, because you disapprove of the means to achieving them.
Tough. Those benefits still accrue.
<quoted text>That's because you can't see beyond the end of your slimy, inquisitive proboscis.
<quoted text>You still haven't come up with any. Now's your chance.
Women who are satisfied with their choice to kill their growing fetuses, don't have any emotional problems and have said they would do it again. There is no need for concern for them. However there are many women who after rushing into an abortion, later realize the harm they have done to their child and themselves. These women need comfort and support.

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#423 Nov 5, 2013
Ink wrote:
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Women who are satisfied with their choice to kill their growing fetuses, don't have any emotional problems and have said they would do it again. There is no need for concern for them. However there are many women who after rushing into an abortion, later realize the harm they have done to their child and themselves. These women need comfort and support.
Yes, people who make bad, even personally catastrophic choices, need comfort and support. So? That doesn't mean the right to make their own decisions, good or bad, should be denied them. I'm just making sure you understand that. As long as you don't try to take away a woman's right to choose to have an abortion, you can mourn for them as much as you please, even when it's unnecessary. Enjoy.
Ink

Levittown, PA

#424 Nov 5, 2013
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, people who make bad, even personally catastrophic choices, need comfort and support. So? That doesn't mean the right to make their own decisions, good or bad, should be denied them. I'm just making sure you understand that. As long as you don't try to take away a woman's right to choose to have an abortion, you can mourn for them as much as you please, even when it's unnecessary. Enjoy.
By all means let the killing continue. Enjoy.
Jorja Fox

Waynesboro, VA

#425 Nov 9, 2013
Ink wrote:
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By all means let the killing continue. Enjoy.
"However there are many women who after rushing into an abortion, later realize the harm they have done to their child and themselves"
A "child" was not aborted. I do not believe women "rush" into an abortion.
"By all means let the killing continue. Enjoy."
Does that mean you now agree that women DO have the right to make their own choices (?)
Ink

Levittown, PA

#426 Nov 9, 2013
Jorja Fox wrote:
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"However there are many women who after rushing into an abortion, later realize the harm they have done to their child and themselves"
A "child" was not aborted. I do not believe women "rush" into an abortion.
"By all means let the killing continue. Enjoy."
Does that mean you now agree that women DO have the right to make their own choices (?)
A child is killed and some do rush into an abortion.
Jorja Fox

Waynesboro, VA

#427 Nov 9, 2013
Ink wrote:
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A child is killed and some do rush into an abortion.
Incorrect-a fetus is aborted. It is impossible to rush into an abortion. A woman does not just walk in off the street and get an abortion--there is a process, which includes doctors and a counselor and now an ultrasound--impossible to "rush."

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