Anti-choice forces are relentless. Like it or not, so must their foes be

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Virginia State Sen. Janet Howell wanted to amend a mandatory pre-abortion ultrasound bill by requiring rectal exams and cardiac stress tests before allowing prescriptions for erectile dysfunction medication.

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Jorja

Waynesboro, VA

#22 May 8, 2012
GoodNewz wrote:
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carefully thought out by everyone involved. wow. that is interesting, considering half of the fathers are already out of the picture.
That is the sad truth - but I did say everyone "involved." If the father is gone he is not involved. Shame on him!
Jorja

Waynesboro, VA

#23 May 8, 2012
Ink wrote:
Scare tactics
Jorja

Waynesboro, VA

#24 May 8, 2012
Ink wrote:
Researchers found that women were about 14 times more likely to die during or after giving birth to a live baby than to die from complications of an abortion
What makes it complicated, Harwood added, is when the law interferes and requires doctors to state information that isn't always balanced or medically sound -- usually exaggerating the risk of abortion.
Harwood said that laws regarding what's said between the doctor and a woman seeking an abortion often hamper doctors' attempts to inform patients in a balanced way.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/23/us-...

Since: Jul 07

Newport News, VA

#25 May 8, 2012
"We don't need anyone telling us what we can or can not do regarding our own health care issues."

uh, well, there is the health care of another person involved here as well. you are the caretaker for that person. and you choose that they get no life? this is not just a wart being removed from your toe.
Jorja

Waynesboro, VA

#26 May 8, 2012
GoodNewz wrote:
"We don't need anyone telling us what we can or can not do regarding our own health care issues."
uh, well, there is the health care of another person involved here as well. you are the caretaker for that person. and you choose that they get no life? this is not just a wart being removed from your toe.
There is no other "person" involved - it is a fetus and it should be MY choice with no government agency telling me no or mandating a damn thing. MY choice! Keep religion, government & scare tactics out of it.
To compare a fetus to a wart is nonsense.
Ocean56

AOL

#27 May 8, 2012
Ink wrote:
Here's a link
Here's ANOTHER link, that provides stories of women who AREN'T sorry they had an abortion.

http://www.imnotsorry.net
Ocean56

AOL

#28 May 8, 2012
GoodNewz wrote:
"We don't need anyone telling us what we can or can not do regarding our own health care issues."
uh, well, there is the health care of another person involved here as well. you are the caretaker for that person. and you choose that they get no life? this is not just a wart being removed from your toe.
Fetuses AREN'T "persons," no matter how much anti-choice fanatics whine, stomp their feet and scream "it's a baby!"

If it isn't YOUR pregnancy, what a woman does about that pregnancy is none of your business, nor that of the state.

http://www.imnotsorry.net
Ocean56

AOL

#29 May 8, 2012
GoodNewz wrote:
carefully thought out by everyone involved. wow. that is interesting, considering half of the fathers are already out of the picture.
Men can't force a woman to gestate a pregnancy any more than they can force women to abort one.

It is the WOMAN'S decision to make about a pregnancy, not the man's. Deal with it.

Since: Jul 07

Newport News, VA

#30 May 8, 2012
Ocean56 wrote:
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Men can't force a woman to gestate a pregnancy any more than they can force women to abort one.
It is the WOMAN'S decision to make about a pregnancy, not the man's. Deal with it.
and they can't get pregnant without a man.

there are some cultures that think similarly to you. "she is MY wife. she WILL wear a burkha. she will be STONED if she disobeys ME. I am the one who decides what will happen."
deal with it.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#31 May 8, 2012
GoodNewz wrote:
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or perhaps to force them to think about the life they are flushing down the toilet...
They don't flush medical waste down a toilet.

Your post clearly illustrates that the ultrasound requirement is not about safe medical procedures, or fully informing the woman. It's about trying to make her feel guilty in the hopes that she will change her mind. It's about women making a choice that others, who should be minding their OWN business, do not approve of.

And as a Republican woman, I find it offensive for someone to say "I'm generally for less gov't, BUT....". Real Republicans understand the concept of smaller gov't, and that if it applies to ANYTHING, it applies to this most private, personal decision.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#32 May 8, 2012
GoodNewz wrote:
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and they can't get pregnant without a man.
there are some cultures that think similarly to you. "she is MY wife. she WILL wear a burkha. she will be STONED if she disobeys ME. I am the one who decides what will happen."
deal with it.
Nonsense. Complete nonsense. The comparison to the PC side is not apt. In fact, it's the PL side that wants control. PC supports the woman's right to make her own choice regarding her own uterus and pregnancy.

And actually, a woman can't get pregnant without sperm. She can go to a sperm bank for that.

Still, this brings up an interesting point. If I had to guess, I'd say that you'd be in favor of the man in question having a say in the pregnancy. But what happens when there is conflict between them? Do we let the woman's say be the final one? That is, in fact, what we have already. Do we let the man's say be the final one? If so, what about when HE wants her to have an abortion, but SHE wants to continue the pregnancy?
Jorja

Waynesboro, VA

#33 May 8, 2012
Ink wrote:
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Then why do so many women suffer with remorse and guilt after the abortion and for years later?
If you are so concerne about their "bad" feelings then support them in their decision. Research indicates that relief is the most common emotional response following abortion, and that psychological distress appears to be greatest before, rather than after, an abortion.
There are undoubtedly some women who, in hindsight, wish that they had made different choices, and the majority would prefer never to have become pregnant when the circumstances were not right for them. When a wanted pregnancy is ended (for medical reasons, for example) women may experience a sense of loss and grief. As with any major change or decision involving loss, a crisis later in life sometimes leads to a temporary resurfacing of sad feelings surrounding the abortion. Women at risk for poor post-abortion adjustment are those who do not get the support they need, or whose abortion decisions are actively opposed by people who are important to them
Jorja

Waynesboro, VA

#34 May 8, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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Nonsense. Complete nonsense. The comparison to the PC side is not apt. In fact, it's the PL side that wants control. PC supports the woman's right to make her own choice regarding her own uterus and pregnancy.
And actually, a woman can't get pregnant without sperm. She can go to a sperm bank for that.
Still, this brings up an interesting point. If I had to guess, I'd say that you'd be in favor of the man in question having a say in the pregnancy. But what happens when there is conflict between them? Do we let the woman's say be the final one? That is, in fact, what we have already. Do we let the man's say be the final one? If so, what about when HE wants her to have an abortion, but SHE wants to continue the pregnancy?
I think questions complicate the situation. No questions - it is the woman who makes the final decision. Conflicts can be worked out with adult-rational conversations - in the end the woman makes the decision.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#35 May 8, 2012
Jorja wrote:
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I think questions complicate the situation. No questions - it is the woman who makes the final decision. Conflicts can be worked out with adult-rational conversations - in the end the woman makes the decision.
My questions are designed to make a point. IMO, that is necessary.

“If it ain't broke don't fix it”

Since: Jul 09

Arcadia, LA.

#36 May 8, 2012
Jorja wrote:
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To compare a fetus to a wart is nonsense.
But that is basically how the pro-abortion crowd views the unborn.
Ocean56

AOL

#37 May 8, 2012
GoodNewz wrote:
and they can't get pregnant without a man.
So what. In the United States, a woman who DOESN'T want to be pregnant can still abort a pregnancy without needing a man's permission. Deal with THAT.

http://www.imnotsorry.net

Since: Jul 07

Newport News, VA

#38 May 8, 2012
there was a youth in georgia who kicked his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach, and was charged with murder. yet if the kindly person in the white jacket had used their little vacuum to suck the baby out, then the state is all smiles. results were the same. there is something wrong with that...

Since: Jan 10

Las Vegas, NV

#40 May 8, 2012
Sildenafil citrate is used to treat certain heart ailments. So the women's libbers want to put men at risk in trade so irresponsible women can have sex with guys who don't care for them.

You women's libbers should do something useful. Fight for women's rights in the Middle East. Fight pornography and real forms of exploitation.
Jorja

Cullen, VA

#42 May 10, 2012
GoodNewz wrote:
there was a youth in georgia who kicked his pregnant girlfriend in the stomach, and was charged with murder. yet if the kindly person in the white jacket had used their little vacuum to suck the baby out, then the state is all smiles. results were the same. there is something wrong with that...
One is legal-one isn't. One is with informed consent-one isn't.

Since: Jul 07

Newport News, VA

#43 May 10, 2012
Jorja wrote:
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One is legal-one isn't. One is with informed consent-one isn't.
same result

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