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The NBC29 newsroom received the following release from the Office of Governor McDonnell: Governor McDonnell Signs SB 1 and HB 9 and Issues Executive Order Governor Directs State Board of Elections to Send Every Virginia Voter a Free Voter Card Between Now and Election Day Governor: "We will be sending every voter in Virginia a free voter card ...

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Get Real

United States

#82 May 22, 2012
@Dude...but it probably was a bit fun! Point - you.
@Heh...I shouldn't have been so harsh on ya, but come on; are you that bent on your position that you refuse to accept fact when presented?
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#83 May 22, 2012
Get Real wrote:
WRT the felons...can you PROVE that they didn't show an ID?
Last time I checked, convicted felons (who aren't barred by a court) can still have a driver's license or state photo ID...and yes, some of those brilliant folks do show ID when doing things they shouldn't (like trying to buy guns, vote, etc). Sometimes it's because they don't know any better, and sometimes it's because they are trying to knowingly do something they are not allowed to.
and what if they did show their IDs? Does that mean that they showed their IDs in accordance with the voter ID law, even though they had lost thier right to vote?

What does that prove?

good greif
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#84 May 22, 2012
*grief
Get Real

United States

#85 May 22, 2012
Heh's point was that they probably wouldn't show their ID to vote (irrelevant)...mine was to poke a bit of fun back at her for all of her posts demanding proof.
Get Real

United States

#86 May 22, 2012
Also...as I read this law, an individual has to prove who they are or their vote will not count. Yes they can cast a provisional ballot without ID, but they then have to show proof of identity to the registrar within the week. This is the difference that the new law makes.

Prior to this law, you signed saying you are who you say you are; now you have to prove it. "Under the law as passed, such a vote will be counted provisionally, and the voter will have to provide proper identification to their local electoral board within three days after the election for his or her vote to count. The bill was also amended to expand the forms of identification of voter could use to include, for example, a bank statement or utility bill." Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/...

I believe that bringing a bank statement or utility bill, it would have to be in your name, with the address you registered to vote with. If they don't match, your vote would not be counted.
heh

Charlottesville, VA

#87 May 22, 2012
Get Real, the voter ID bill would not have prevented any of these instances you cite.

https://www.oag.state.tx.us/oagnews/release.p...

"cases include a woman who submitted her dead mother's ballot, a paid operative who cast two elderly voters' ballots after transporting them to the polling place, a city council member who unlawfully registered ineligible foreign nationals to vote in an election"

That woman would still be able to cast her dead Mom's ballot (she mailed it in).
The man would have still been able to cast the elderly person's votes (they presented themselves to obtain their ballots)
Registering illegals has nothing to do with voter ID at the polls.
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#88 May 22, 2012
Get Real wrote:
Heh's point was that they probably wouldn't show their ID to vote (irrelevant)...mine was to poke a bit of fun back at her for all of her posts demanding proof.
You do realize that nobody is disputing that voter fraud takes place, right?
In most of those cases, it appears that they have a registration problem.
I think the cure is worse than the disease.
Get Real

United States

#89 May 22, 2012
@Dude & Heh: I understand that, however, my point (and the justification for this law) is that this law keeps the votes from counting unless you can prove your identity. It will help to prevent improper votes from counting - and that is the point.

I also understand your point that you believe this will discourage some people from voting. I don't believe it will, but I do agree that encouraging voter turn-out is very important.
heh

Charlottesville, VA

#90 May 22, 2012
The only one of those three examples that might have circumvented voter ID laws at the polls was the first one. I'm assuming one way to 'submit' a ballot would be by voting early and mailing it in.
If she did indeed present herself at the polls as her mother, the article doesn't state that. BTW, this is what the Texas attorney told FOX news, and has been regurgitated ad nauseum on other right wing websites:
http://goo.gl/RrIwR

If convicted, what was her punishment and what exactly was the crime? I can't find it anywhere. There should be some court record of this "woman".
heh

Charlottesville, VA

#91 May 22, 2012
Get Real wrote:
It will help to prevent improper votes from counting
Pure conjecture on your and Gov McDonnell's part.
I haven't seen any proof that existing procedures are any less effective than this voter ID law in deterring fraud.
Dude

Spotsylvania, VA

#92 May 22, 2012
Get Real wrote:
@Dude & Heh: I understand that, however, my point (and the justification for this law) is that this law keeps the votes from counting unless you can prove your identity. It will help to prevent improper votes from counting - and that is the point.
I also understand your point that you believe this will discourage some people from voting. I don't believe it will, but I do agree that encouraging voter turn-out is very important.
I disagree that it will prevent those who are willing to go to prision in the first place from attempting to vote illegally.

While, yes; I do believe that it will discourage some to vote, I also believe it's two other things. One, needless political grandstanding, the more I looked into it, the more I've come to realize that this particular law will do very little or nothing to prevent those who are determined to commit fraud. And two, I think it is a path to interventionalism to where certain liberties can be restricted.

I understand your point of view, I certainly do. There are so many liberties that we freely give away in the name of security.

"Liberty means responsibility that is why most men dread it.”
~George Bernard Shaw

I think the cure is worse than the disease, but in this democracy called the Commonwealth of Virginia, it is clear that I am in the minority.
County Resident

Raleigh, NC

#93 May 23, 2012
Get Real wrote:
@County Resident: The cost of ensuring elections are conducted without being plauged by fraud far outweighs the "burden" it may cause. Sorry, but "Crack Head Jack" may have to experience a little austerity so that we can have a just, and leagal election.
I don't know what you are talking about. Please be clearer.
County Resident

Raleigh, NC

#94 May 23, 2012
Get Real wrote:
From the first article: "Convictions Abbott cited include a woman accused of submitting her dead mother's ballot, an activist charged with casting votes illegally for elderly people and a city council member accused of registering foreigners to vote."
From the second article: "...which found that at least 341 convicted felons in largely Democratic Minneapolis-St. Paul voted illegally in the 2008 Senate race between Franken, a Democrat, and his Republican opponent, then-incumbent Sen. Norm Coleman. The final recount vote in the race, determined six months after Election Day, showed Franken beat Coleman by 312 votes — fewer votes than the number of felons whose illegal ballots were counted, according to Minnesota Majority’s newly released study, which matched publicly available conviction lists with voting records."
Need me to keep going or do you get the point...
This did not happen in Virginia, get my point?
County Resident

Raleigh, NC

#95 May 23, 2012
All of you people are extremely worried about nothing.
tweety

Charlottesville, VA

#96 May 24, 2012
heh wrote:
<quoted text>
Pure conjecture on your and Gov McDonnell's part.
I haven't seen any proof that existing procedures are any less effective than this voter ID law in deterring fraud.
lol, considering what branch makes the machines and the fact we have acorn Im sure your right
heh

Charlottesville, VA

#97 May 24, 2012
tweety wrote:
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lol, considering what branch makes the machines and the fact we have acorn Im sure your right
that sentence makes as much sense as a cuckoo
heh

Wytheville, VA

#98 May 24, 2012
There is only one thing worse than a votor ID law, nothing at all.
buyerbeware

Crozet, VA

#99 May 25, 2012
heh wrote:
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Pure conjecture on your and Gov McDonnell's part.
I haven't seen any proof that existing procedures are any less effective than this voter ID law in deterring fraud.
And you have no proof that the new law is any less effective than the law it replaces.
freedom of choise

Waynesboro, VA

#100 May 26, 2012
Dude wrote:
<quoted text>At least every voter gets a free voter ID card. I mean, according to our resident election official County Resident, there wasn't any fraud that identification laws would have prevented, but this gives people warm fuzzies. That and people that couldn't afford IDs get free IDs to boot. I mean, isn't that we wanted, to give poor people and elderly people stuff they couldn't afford? What's a few million dollars when warm fuzzies are at stake?
But how much will it cost tax payers to supply these free cards.
Jorja

Staunton, VA

#101 Jun 3, 2012
freedom of choise wrote:
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But how much will it cost tax payers to supply these free cards.
Voter ID cards have always been free - all registered voters get one free of charge - all registered voters already have them. I read it is going to cost 3.1 million dollars to send out the new free Voter ID cards. Not a lot of sense in this crap.

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