Racism and the American Right

Racism and the American Right

There are 1009 comments on the OpEdNews story from May 20, 2013, titled Racism and the American Right. In it, OpEdNews reports that:

Racism has been a consistent thread weaving through the American Right from the early days when Anti-Federalists battled against the U.S. Constitution to the present when hysterical Tea Partiers denounce the first African-American president.

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Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#585 Jun 26, 2013
Savant wrote:
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I've a degree in History, and could TEACH you a few things. I suggest that you read some books before babbling about things you know nothing of.
I suggest you read this. If you read it already, read it again: http://www.scribd.com/doc/57286868/Conscienci...

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#586 Jun 26, 2013
OBNTG wrote:
<quoted text>Any idiot can get a degree off the internet- but feel free to babble on.
That idiot thinks a degree is the end of the world. he can stop reading now and stop learning.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#587 Jun 27, 2013
OBNTG wrote:
<quoted text>Any idiot can get a degree off the internet- but feel free to babble on.
But unlike you I attended real universities. And since there was no internet when I completed my studies in the late 1980s, I guess we can dismiss your comments as a laughable display or right wing buffoonery.

Give it up, boy. You're way beneath my leagues

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#588 Jun 27, 2013
Savant wrote:
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But unlike you I attended real universities. And since there was no internet when I completed my studies in the late 1980s, I guess we can dismiss your comments as a laughable display or right wing buffoonery.
Give it up, boy. You're way beneath my leagues
There were internet. But it may not have been where you were.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#589 Jun 28, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
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Obviously Sekou Toure saw eye to eye with Nkrumah which is why we know for a fact that Nkrumah was not a Marxist despite the fact that a lot of people twist his words to make it seem as though he was a Marxist. Sekou Toure was definitely not. Nkrumah was a Christian version of Sekou Toure who was a Muslim. There were no Marxist leaders in Africa at that time or since. And Nkrumah was the leader of them all.
The fact that two people see eye-tp-eye is wholly possible even if one of them is a Marxist.
Imagine saying that Dr. Martin L. King is proved not to be a Christian because he and someone else saw eye to eye.
And one needn't twist Nkurmah's words to see his Marxism; his own words confirm it. Indeed, I think one must twist his words in order to "prove" that he was not a Marxist.
This isn't like the dumb rumor that Obama is Marxist (or Muslim) despite the absence of any evidence.
Nkruman writes from a Marxian perspective, uses Marxisn dialectics, and explicitly identifies wih materialism in CONSCIENCISM. I've never met an even moderately educated person who couldn't detect Nkruman's Marxism in NKruman's own writings.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#590 Jun 28, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
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That idiot thinks a degree is the end of the world. he can stop reading now and stop learning.
Meanwhile the idiot Assdurratin thinks that his GED is the end fo the world...But wait...For im it may be the end of the world.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#591 Jun 28, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
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There were internet. But it may not have been where you were.
Maybe the CIA or military intelligence had some early form of the internet in the 1980s. Or maybe not.
But the AVERAGE person didn't have it until some time in the 1990s. Certainly students at Vanderbilt University didn't have it in the 1980s.
Hence that idiot's suggestion that I got my degree from the internet is sheer clownihs buffoonery.
But that aside, the main point of mine to which he was reacting stands: Hitler was an EXTREME RIGHTIST German nationalist and racist. People who read history and are not politically illiterate don't try to assume that Hitler was a liberal or man of the left.
Even Nazi propaganda AGAINST liberalism and Communism should be a clue to anyone who reads.
Stalin is another matter, having risen and clawed his way to the top of the radical left Bolshevik party.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#592 Jun 28, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text> The fact that two people see eye-tp-eye is wholly possible even if one of them is a Marxist.
Or if one is not A Marxist. Nkrumah agreed with much of what Marx said. But he was not a Marxist.

I am beginning to think that you know you are incorrect to call Nkrumah a Marxist. But you want to argue for the sake of arguing. Maybe you are just bored. Or maybe you are dishonest and want to lei and are lying.
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>Imagine saying that Dr. Martin L. King is proved not to be a Christian because he and someone else saw eye to eye.
My argument is that Nkrumah was an Nkrumahist. He was influenced more by Gandhi than by Marx. He was almost identical to Martin Luther King in his thought. Indeed the two were collaborators to some extent. And both were Christian ministers. Was a King a Marxist? Of course not. No major African leader of that time was a Marxist. None are now. The only Marxists since then and now were the Ethiopian thugs. I do not even think the MPLA were Marxists in the truest sense, although I think they gave way too much lip service to Marxism.
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>And one needn't twist Nkurmah's words to see his Marxism; his own words confirm it.
That is a straight up lie. Nkrumah never said he was Marxist. If he did, I want to see chapter and verse.

Savant wrote:
<quoted text>Indeed, I think one must twist his words in order to "prove" that he was not a Marxist.
This isn't like the dumb rumor that Obama is Marxist (or Muslim) despite the absence of any evidence.
Obama is more of a Marxist than Nkrumah was.
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>Nkruman writes from a Marxian perspective, uses Marxisn dialectics, and explicitly identifies wih materialism in CONSCIENCISM.
Another lie. Of course, I can sort of understand people mis-understanding Consciencism. A lot of people have misunderstood it. But the whole thesis behind Consciencism was a rejection of ALL European philosophy. Yet, he spoke "favorably" of all of it. His point was that it was appropriate for Europe but not for Africa and the rest of the world. Accordingly, he proposed a new philosophy and ideology. I will look up the exact language later today.

One way he did so was through categorical conversion. If you take Marxism from the European category and apply it to the concrete conditions of Africa, you no longer have Marxism. You have a socialism that exceeds Marx. Marx did not invent socialism. Neither did he invent dialectical or historical materialism. All of this predates Marx.(I am rusty on the details. But you get my point.) In Africa, you encounter communalism. And it is from communalism that we get the principles of socialism, or at least most of the principles of socialism. However, that does not mean "African socialism" another trick the enemies of the African Revolution have thrown at us. It is socialism of a universal character. But it is not Marxism.

Continued below...

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#593 Jun 28, 2013
Continued from aboveĀ…
As a matter of fact, if it is Marxism, then Marx copied his socialism from Africa. So it makes no sense to call it Marxism o African socialism either. It is simply socialism. And we have called it scientific socialism to differentiate it from "African socialism" or Marxism.
Savant wrote:
<quoted text> I've never met an even moderately educated person who couldn't detect Nkruman's Marxism in NKruman's own writings.
And I know that most "educated" Uncle Toms claim that Nkurmahism is Marxism. What kind of logical sense does that make? It makes no sense. It is only meant to confuse people. It is propaganda, anti-Pan-Africanist propaganda. But the problem is much deeper than that. Book Reviews of Consciencism implied that Nkrumah did not know philosophy. But Nkrumah spent his entire career in philosophy before becoming a full time political and ideological activist. He taught in Catholic school. He was a preacher who preached on a weekly basis. In fact he had a degree, I think a Masters in divinity. Divinity is philosophy. And, of course, he had an honorary Doctorate of Philosophy. And he had been a professor of philosophy. So, it is a smear to say that he did not know philosophy. He knew it. But people like you did not like what he said about it. He said that European philosophy is not for Africa. That is like Gandhi saying European philosophy is not for India.
LOL. I recently had a face to face debate with a colleague over that very issue. he thought Gandhi opposed modernity because, being a white lady, she could not imagine a little darkie like Gandhi rejecting European values. Like Nkrumah, Gandhi made many white friends. And like Nkrumah, he was very diplomatic in not deliberately saying things that would hurt white people's feelings. But he said explicitly that he rejected the irreligion of the west, particularly that of UK. Gandhi was a religious man and India is a very religious country. Likewise, Nkrumah rejected the irreligion of Western Europe. And Nkurmah was a very religious man in a very, very religious Africa. Indeed, the major point of Nkrmahism, implied in Consiencism if not explicit, is that Africa is source of all civilization all religion. Kwame Ture was much more explicit. He often pointed out that Christianity, Islam and Judaism all originated in Africa. Of course now, post 9-11, everybody want to deny that Islam came from Africa or that Arabia is a part of Africa. Be that as it may not only did Monotheism originate in Africa, I am coming closer and closer each day to PROVING that Hinduism and the southern Indians migrated directly from Africa. And that it is documented in Hindu Scriptures. Again, westeners want to place emphasis on Hindu connections to Europeans through Hitler's Aryan race theory. It is amazing how quickly they fall back on Hitler when they need him. LOL! But, the Aryan influence in India is very, very minimum. I do not even think the Hindi language owes much to Europe. In any case, it is clear that the Dravidians o=we much more to Africans which is why we never hear about them. But be that as it may, neither the Hindis or the Dravidians claim the Aryan connections while the Dravidians definitely claim the African connection. That is the only sensible way to explain India civilization and its origins.

But in American universities, they downplay the origins of Indian civilization and emphasize the Aryan connection, a connection that the Indians themselves deny, although there may be a small grain of truth to it.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#594 Jun 28, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe the CIA or military intelligence had some early form of the internet in the 1980s. Or maybe not.
But the AVERAGE person didn't have it until some time in the 1990s. Certainly students at Vanderbilt University didn't have it in the 1980s.
Hence that idiot's suggestion that I got my degree from the internet is sheer clownihs buffoonery.
But that aside, the main point of mine to which he was reacting stands: Hitler was an EXTREME RIGHTIST German nationalist and racist.
Hitler was a fascist plus. But he himself called it "nationalist socialism". Give the devil his due. "Socialism" is generally thought of as a left wing ideology, although you know by now that I do not agree with that categorization. What I do agree to, though, is the idea that fascism, and especially Nazism, is rooted in liberalism, not in conservatism. If Hitler had not been at war, he would have been exactly like those other two Germans, namely Slick Willy KKKlinton and Hitlery KKKlinton.
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>People who read history and are not politically illiterate don't try to assume that Hitler was a liberal or man of the left.
Think outside the box and learn philosophy. Hitler went beyond the left wing, far beyond it. If you go so far to the left you end up on the right.
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>Even Nazi propaganda AGAINST liberalism and Communism should be a clue to anyone who reads.
Stalin is another matter, having risen and clawed his way to the top of the radical left Bolshevik party.
Stalin was a SOB. But he was not nearly as far left as Hitler was. Hitler himself used to joke about it. he said that he was far worse than Stalin.

I never fully understood the conflict between Russia and Germany. But I think it is mainly cultural. The Russians were the true Caucasians, the Aryans. The Germans claimed Aryan heritage which was probably true.(Again, I do not waste my time studying European historical details. I focus on Africa and Asia as more relevant. And I do not like debating Europe all the time. Leave that to Savantia. I have plenty to do in Africa.) The fact remains however, that the Germans and British have since long, long ago hated Russians and made war preparations against them. But leading up to WW II, Stalin and Hitler were kind of buddy-buddy. But Hitler deiced to double cross Stalin and attack Russia. Hitler made the first attack, not Stalin. But Stalin made the last attack. And I admire his generalship in defeating Hitler.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#595 Jun 28, 2013
Here is another way to look at Nkrumahism. But I will use Gandhi's words which came before Nkrumah. Gandhi said that "The first thing essential fro achieving unity is for every Congressman (Read African political activist), whatever his religion may be, to represent in his own person, Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Zoroastrian, Jew, etc... That is Nkrumahism. That is a central them in Consciencism. Although Gandhi was nominally a Hindu, he adapted himself to Muslim and Christian values. Likewise, Nkrumah was a Christian in name. But his book Consciencism laid the foundation for Christians to accept and respect Islam and other African religions. Thus, Sekou Toure was one president of Guinea. And Nkrumah was his co-president. Toure was a devout Muslim. Nkrumah was a devout Christian. Neither was a Marxist.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#596 Jun 28, 2013
This is the end of this thread.....

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#597 Jun 28, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
This is the end of this thread.....
It ended long ago. There is no point of a debate where ignorant folks keep repeating the same lies over and over again. In fact, this whole forum is just about over for the same reason. All folks want to talk about is "dating" as if this is a dating service. If you say "dating" is not allowed among most Africans, they ignore you and come back and say "I want to "date" me a white boy." It is a dang disgrace.

Since: Jun 08

Louisville, KY

#598 Jul 1, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Alway's without any facts?....You look silly.....HERE, JUST FOR YOU.....CBS WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT, MARK KNOLLER... HAS REPORTED.....During his two terms, George W. Bush spent an incredible amount of time, away from Washington.....149 visits to Camp David, for a total of 487 days.......77 trips to the ranch in Crawford, Texas...for a total of 490 days.....almost three whole years away from the White House, in just two examples.....them's facts.....
LOL

Wow, you are incredibly stupid.

Since: Jun 08

Louisville, KY

#600 Jul 1, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>..Radical positions like, Same-sex marriage, No Wars, Marijuana Decriminalization and Equal Work for Equal Pay?.....Beauty........
Radical positions like gay education for children when the Democrat party didn't even care about gays until it realize they could be used to weaken the white voting structure they regularly attacked in the 90s, amnesty and the abolition of the US/Mexico border, female chauvinism(btw women usually don't do all the work that men do, but still get payed the same amount in most companies, so you really aren't for "equal work for equal pay"), black supremacist culture(blacks are supposedly better at physical activities and morally superior, but everyone is equal mentally...), extremely anti 2nd amendment policies and mindsets etc etc

You actually are VERY leftist as a party, and unfortunately the media and schools have convinced most people that is cool to not know what the hell the history of this country is so they mistakenly and stupidly think Republicans are 'far right'.

Since: Jun 08

Louisville, KY

#601 Jul 1, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
This is the end of this thread.....
It should have never even started because of how mindless the title was.

Everyone knows western leftists are just black supremacists of every skin shade, you can't get more racist than the Democrats or the British Labour Party etc.
Stoneman

Boise, ID

#602 Jul 4, 2013
PTBW Forever wrote:
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It should have never even started because of how mindless the title was.
Everyone knows western leftists are just black supremacists of every skin shade, you can't get more racist than the Democrats or the British Labour Party etc.
Agreed. Listened to Nationalist People's Radio (the radio network that we taxpayers are forced to subsidize), they did a bit on a Romney rally last year at a southern college campus that had about 20 stupid kids singing Dixie. Oh the attention that incident received. Let's analyze it. Let's have black leaders give mandatory lectures to incoming freshmen to make sure it never happens again!

Never mind the month-long rages against whites in February, the profane tirades from their speakers during Black Awareness Week/Month/Year.

It's like the fat TV chef woman that said stupid racist stuff on video 30 YEARS AGO. According to the media and black leaders, she should be gutted and hung from a hook. But if a liberal pinhead like Alec Baldwin goes on an anti-gay rant LAST WEEK, no big deal.

Don't know where it all ends. The left is so hell-bent on getting control, what are they willing to do to accomplish it? They elected an incompetent race-baiting empty suit for President, they promote racist hatred as a political tool. When they win, will we be better off as a nation?

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#603 Jul 5, 2013
Abdurratln wrote:
Here is another way to look at Nkrumahism. But I will use Gandhi's words which came before Nkrumah. Gandhi said that "The first thing essential fro achieving unity is for every Congressman (Read African political activist), whatever his religion may be, to represent in his own person, Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Zoroastrian, Jew, etc... That is Nkrumahism. That is a central them in Consciencism. Although Gandhi was nominally a Hindu, he adapted himself to Muslim and Christian values. Likewise, Nkrumah was a Christian in name. But his book Consciencism laid the foundation for Christians to accept and respect Islam and other African religions. Thus, Sekou Toure was one president of Guinea. And Nkrumah was his co-president. Toure was a devout Muslim. Nkrumah was a devout Christian. Neither was a Marxist.
From CONSCIENCISM: "Religion is an instrument of BOURGEOIS SOCIAL REACTION.But its social use is not always confined to colonialists and imperialists.Its success in their hands can exercise a certain fascination on the minds of Africans who begin by being revolutionary, but are bewitched by any passing opportunist to use religion to make political gains.(Consciencism, p. 13)

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#604 Jul 5, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>From CONSCIENCISM: "Religion is an instrument of BOURGEOIS SOCIAL REACTION.But its social use is not always confined to colonialists and imperialists.Its success in their hands can exercise a certain fascination on the minds of Africans who begin by being revolutionary, but are bewitched by any passing opportunist to use religion to make political gains.(Consciencism, p. 13)
So what?

Nkrumahism avoids the use of religion and religious symbolism in politics. That is not a secret. A professional preacher like Nkrumah was never known to preach in his political capacity. This is so much true that most people have forgotten or do not even know that Nkrumah had been a professional preacher prior to his political career.

You need to explain why you quoted the above passage. It seems out of place to me.

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#605 Jul 5, 2013
One thing is certain. Although Nkrumah went to great effort to avoid falling into the sectarian trap, he never did anything to negate religion or to discourage it. In Islam, religious identity is usually and often expressed, for example. Nkrumah never expressed any opposition to such expression. How could he? Sekou Toure adopted Islamic attire as his only cultural expression of identity. That did not diminish his role in the African Union of States nor his close ties to Nkrumah and Nkrumahism.

The biggest problem that I see in our efforts to forge a sense of African Unity and Pan-Africanism in USA is Christians and atheists, etc. want to limit our sight and thought processes to the western European spectrum. They wanto avoid thinking about what happened in Asia with Ho Chi Minh Mao Tse Dung, Mahatma Gandhi etc. But above all, they want to avoid the historic truth that Islam has always played a huge role in resisting western imperialism and domination. Ultimately, there has been those weak links who have fallen into an anti Islamic sectarian trap. Worse still are those who have expressed racist attitudes against Africa's Berbers and Arabs. No matter how we look at it from an Nkrumahist perspective, all that amounts to is nothing but the age old divide and conquer of the Anglo world view.

So get clear and get straight with me. You do not fool me. I know your reputation. You love the ideals and values of the white man. But you want us to think you have legitimacy in the African Revolution. You have none. It is up to you to prove yourself. Twisting and quoting Nkrumah out of context will not impress me.

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