Being a Christian in Utah

Being a Christian in Utah

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Surveyor

Herriman, UT

#1 Dec 31, 2006
Living on the front line's can be hard. You really have to stand on solid biblical ground in order to defend the Christian faith. My Mormon friends use many of the same words in their theology as Christians do (including the word "Christian").

This concerns me because I have seen a mixing of Mormon and Christian theologies and a "watering down" of true biblically based Christianity in Salt Lake City and elsewhere in Utah.

Does this concern others? I think it would be encouraging to hear from other Christians about their personal encounters and experiences over defending the Christian faith. The Bible commands us to "be prepared". How prepared are you?

"But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect"
1 Peter 3:15
Richard

Salt Lake City, UT

#2 Jan 2, 2007
I agree with you.
I am not always prepard with the right answer.
but I am reading the Bible so I can be more preparded to witness to others.
I believe the mormon religion as really brainwash the people of this state.
When talking with people that claim there not
Mormons, they sure seem to use the same words that the Mormoms use. For instance when I have mention the Bible, the first this most people say is that is wasn't translated correctly. It seems to me
that the Mormons are the only ones to claim that the Bible was not translated correctly. But I have only witnessed in this state.
It does amaze me how educated a person can be, and how they will sit down to work out a problem or how to figure something out, yet when it comes to there religion, they ready to take someones word on
it without even looking into it.
People will spend countless hours when making a big purchase, just so they won't get taken advantage of or over paid for something or whatever the case may be.
But when it comes to there soul they don't seem to care.
There is a new radio station out called the oasis.
Its 97.5 FM
And it plays both christian and
Secular artist, and I heard one of there commercials that advertized jewelry and the CTR rings for mormons, I believe that this station is trying to incorporate both christian and mormons.
I know that playing both christian and secular music on the same station is definetly sending the wrong message.
If you look at there music line up I believe about 90 plus percent is christine music.
I have e-mailed the station about this, and that was about 2 weeks ago. And I havn't heard back from them yet.
It seems that some Mormons you talk to claim that they are christians and other Mormons say no we are Mormons, so a radio station playing both kinds of music doesn't add up, when you have two different messages your singing about.
Pat

Palm Coast, FL

#3 Jan 5, 2007
RIchard & Surveyor, good morning. I'd like to add a comment to your discussion. I am a Latter-day Saint who lives in Florida. I am a convert who was raised in the Methodist Church in Michigan. I did not "just follow" someone, but was 21 at the time of my conversion and spent many hours, even days, with a Methodist Minister first looking at exactly what I professed to believe as a Methodist and what the teachings were that I was hearing from 2 missionaries in my local area. I ultimately made the decision to convert to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. That was in 1970 and it was a decision I have never regretted and No, I was not brain-washed. I would like to clarify one thing in particular. The term "Christian" refers to a follower of Jesus Christ or one who believes in Christ. Although many don't seem to understand this, belief in Jesus Christ is central to our religion. Therefore, we are "Christians". What we are not is "Protestant" since our religion did not come about during the reformation as others did, like the Methodists or Lutherans. The King James version of the Bible is standard for our use and study. This year we are studying the New Testament in Sunday School. Regarding the translation comment. You would have to accept the premise that the Lord did not stop revealing his will following the crucifixion. If you can accept that, they perhaps you can accept that revelation was made to Joseph Smith which lead to the translation of the "Book of Mormon--Another Testament of Jesus Christ". Building on that doctrine of continued revelation we accept what is called the Joseph Smith Translation (or JST) of several verses of the bible. Without that acceptance we continue to believe the King James Version of the bible to be the most correctly translated document available today. Now, I've never lived in UT and have only traveled thru as a tourist so I don't know what's happening in your community but I hope this helps you to understand a little better. Have a good day and may the Lord bless and keep you. May the Lord lift up his countenance upon you and give you peace.
Floyd

Indianapolis, IN

#4 Jan 11, 2007
Surveyor wrote:
Living on the front line's can be hard. You really have to stand on solid biblical ground in order to defend the Christian faith. My Mormon friends use many of the same words in their theology as Christians do (including the word "Christian").
This concerns me because I have seen a mixing of Mormon and Christian theologies and a "watering down" of true biblically based Christianity in Salt Lake City and elsewhere in Utah.
Does this concern others? I think it would be encouraging to hear from other Christians about their personal encounters and experiences over defending the Christian faith. The Bible commands us to "be prepared". How prepared are you?
"But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect"
1 Peter 3:15
Surveyor...I know how you must feel living amongst all of those members of the Church of Jesus Christ. They sometimes get a little set in their ways and think everyone is just like them or should be. I live in Indiana and would find it very difficult to live in Utah. I realize exactly what you're going through though because it's the same thing only in reverse in Indiana. We have all the followers of John the Baptist, The Virgin Mary, and John Wesley who preach and persecute us with their sharp tounges trying to lead our children down paths that it's ok to drink, take drugs, smoke and have premarital sex. Generic Christianity is alive and well and the Bible "thumpers", not believers here in Indiana love to tell our Christian children how they are supposed to follow God by paying preachers extremely high salaries and going through ritual church ceremonies which teach no Biblical doctrine whatsoever...so yes we know exactly what you're going through so you will be in our prayers. I pray that all those members of the church of Jesus Christ who live around you will be tolerant of what you believe and will be compassionate and serve you. I'm sure it's a bit like living in the Vatican and wondering why did I move here where it's 99.9% Catholic and then you realize hey I could move somewhere else where I'd be more happy if I really wanted to. Oh well I'm sure you will find a solution to your difficult surroundings living among members of The Church of Jesus Christ. Please forgive them for naming their church after the Savior and teaching about Him in all of their meanings and teaching their children to follow and worship him and only him. Please forgive them for sending their best and brightest youth across the world to teach and testify of Jesus Christ and to warn people that they can only be saved through baptism in the name of Christ. You must learn to forgive them for their constant warning voice to worship Jesus Christ and teach his Gospel as contained in the Bible. If you can learn to forgive them I'm sure you will find peace in your heart and be able to live in happiness in your surroundings....Good luck-
Shari

Las Vegas, NV

#5 Jan 13, 2007
Thank you, thank you for such a clear explanation of the "Christian" issue! I am a convert (1982), by choice after more than 13 years of study, denial and prayer. I am always criticized by some of my family, being accused of 'not being a Christian.' When asking them to define what a Christian is, their explanation is "someone who has accepted Christ as their savior." Okay....we Latter Day Saints do, indeed, accept Christ as our savior, whole heartedly! I've explained this to my brother till I'm blue in the face, to no avail. I am going to forward your explanation to him in the hopes that he can understand .....from someone other than his sister! Thanks again for your eloquent explanation. And, I've lived in Southern Utah as well as Nevada, another community with a high level of LDS members, and I love it. I'm looking forward to retirement in St. George soon, where I can be part of a wholesomely Christian community!
misc

Moab, UT

#6 Jan 14, 2007
only in F..king UT I was born here, and left for many yrs, and it's still the same, I only fit in cuz I don't deny who I am and get respect but I'm not you all, prejudice assholes, I know a lot of secrets, the law is crooked as is the temple and your society. Too bad you guys could have so much more, but you don't have LOVE, what CHRIST wanted of us..you break the first commandement, covetting......you all do it, more than Mr Jones.......will Mr Lewis screwed up didn't he, so did the Blacks and Redds you up town people, you are the joke of this town. Not to me, I feel bad for those that screwed up, but you all JUDGED......let you be judged.......
tim paden

Yellville, AR

#7 Jan 15, 2007
Christianity is a faith in Jesus Christ, becoming a follower of his teaching/words, repenting/being baptised as Christ was, and being humble enough to know it's the heart God treasures. Jesus did not spend time argueing his position...He spoke, he lived, he died, he arose with God his father's power...Choose this day whom you will serve, one cannot serve two masters, as for me and my house-we will serve the Lord.
west of NY

Salt Lake City, UT

#8 Jan 17, 2007
I recently moved to UT and have been actively searching for a church. I also recently heard a comment from a Priest that LDS is NOT Christian. I had to do some research about why this comment could be true, but what I did find is that the LDS church does NOT believe that Christ is GOD. He is the son of God yes, but not God. They also don't beleive that the Holy Spirit is GOD. They beleive that these are seperate, therefore many gods, not One True God therefore not Chritian.
Sharon

Saint Paul, MN

#9 Jan 18, 2007
Seems to me that it all has to do with the way one defines the term "Christian," coupled with the Being one defines as "Christ." If someone says he follows the teachings of Jesus Christ, but to him Jesus Christ is his next door neighbor's rabbit (I'm being extreme to make the point), most of us would agree that this person's claim to being a Christian has little meaning in a broader public discussion. Historic Christianity encompasses certain foundational beliefs about who Jesus Christ is which are not present in the belief system that comprises Mormonism. So Latter-day Saints and historic Christians do not agree on the nature of the Being both call "Jesus Christ." Therefore, when Shari and her brother talk about whether Mormonism is a Christian religion, and Shari says, "We Latter-day Saints do accept Christ as our Savior," from her brother's perspective, she may as well be talking about the neighbor's rabbit. As clearly stated by President Hinckley a few years ago, members of the Church worship a different Jesus than members of historic Christian faiths. That's the real issue, in my opinion. I don't think nonmembers refuse to recognize that "Jesus Christ" is an important part of the LDS faith; they just don't believe that Latter-day Saints are following the true Christ.
Steve Prior Mormon utah

Salt Lake City, UT

#10 Jan 24, 2007
First, I was a mormon and am no more. I do not believe they are Christian. Believing in Christ is not the only requirement for Christianity. There are many religions that Believe Christ the man lived, but are not Christian. Secondly, if you are going to overly simplify the definition of Christianity, you must also use that application in defining Protestant faith. And therefore, Mormonism is a Protestant faith. That is, Mormonism is another spin off of Christianity. So either Mormon are Christians and Protestants or they are neither. I would agree they are neither. Take the Book of Mormon. The Bible makes no reference to the Jewish People in America. In addition, all of the "WITNESSES" to the Book of Mormon, that is the Golden Plates and the Angel, were Joseph Smith's relatives. Of which, most, including the Three Witnesses that saw the Angel, all testified later that they lied about it. In addition, Joseph Smith called them "Untrust worthy liars" and that he will forget they ever existed. All were excommunicated. Everyone should research Oliver Cowdery. He was later reinstated by re-baptism, and again excommunicated by Brigham Young. In addition, the Bible does not teach nor practice Polygamy. Yet, the Mormon church still practices Polygamy to this day. WHERE, in Heaven, they still believe that it is an acceptable doctrine, but only ended the practice because they could not get state hood. So the President of the Church said it would end and they would follow the laws of the land. But in the afterlife, polygamy is still practiced. A Mormon man may be "SEALED" to multiple women. And if a Mormon couple who are "SEALED" later divorce, their marriage is eternal. So the man is allowed, without request, to seal to another women. Then he will have two women in heaven. But the woman, if she wants to get sealed to another man, she must ask her prior husband whom she sealed to, to release her. Otherwise, the Mormon church will not allow her to re-seal to a new man. That's their view of women. Everyone, including members, should research this stuff and learn the truth. By the way, no one who is brain washed, knows they were brain washed. Some other important reading is:
Golden Plates Witnesses Excommunicated, First Vision Inconsistencies, Edits between the 1830 and 1837 Editions and after of the Book of Mormon to correct apparent errors that God Made, the bible that Joseph Smith attempt to correct was never finished and was full of errors, this is why the Mormons continue to use the King James version, EGYPTIAN documents that Joseph Smith claimed was the Book of Abraham that were later proven to be Cemetary Listings (the church bought and locked up, but info is still available), spending over $1 Billing Dollars on malls in Salt Lake the church owns instead of helping the poor and needy (which Jesus teaches), that Joseph Smith stated "I have done more for the church on earth than even Jesus did", Joseph Smith practiced Polygamy before his supposed revelation by god to do so, THAT's RIGHT, god apparently told Joseph Smith to have more wives, as young as 14, do research, learn, dont follow blindly, and yes, most mormons do not get this information and are not allowed to question the church, if they do they get in trouble, that is not a lie, nothing is.
Steve Prior Mormon utah

Salt Lake City, UT

#11 Jan 24, 2007
TO WEST OF NY:
You are correct, Mormons do believe in multiple gods, ie, Polytheism. They take it even further. Mormons believe that God was once a man and became a god by following the Mormon beliefs. They also believe that they themselves will eventually, or can eventually be gods. This is part of the whole sealing thing. In the early days of the Mormon Church elders actually had young kids, men mostly, sealed to them because they needed foot soldiers when they become gods and get their own world. It is a lenghty process, but they believe if they follow the teachings, they will be gods. This is not Christianity. In addition, they believe in polygamy. In fact, when I was first shocked by the Church was when a couple of guys I work with told me that god intends on man to have more than one wife and that if Utah changed it's laws tomorrow, the Mormon church would practice polygamy. I was mormon at the time. I started reading and researching. Look in the Doctrine and Convenants, that is where you will find this type of stuff. Not in the book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon is the feel good selling point. The real interesting stuff is in the D&C. Most and I mean MOST, mormons do not know this stuff. I have conversations all the time with family and friends that are still mormon, i ask them if they believe they will be gods, can have multiple wives, that dark skinned people's skin will begin to turn white when the second comming is near (this is why blacks and minorities were not allowed to hold the priest hood until around 1970, because they are decendants of the bad guys in the book of mormon, but will begin to "CONVERT" in mass and their skin will turn white), that Joseph Smith talked to god, that current church leaders still talk to god and only them, and that the only way to god is through the LDS Church, which is ungodly in itself. By the way, they leave it to man to decide who is worthy to attend their temples and relatives and friends who are not mormons WITH temple recommends, cannot attend. You and I cannot visit a mormon temple because we are not worthy. A guy, a man, who carries the title of Bishop and who is as flawed as we are, will decide who is worthy, not god. And by the way, many bad guys have been upstanding mormons. Oh before I forget, check out where some of the temple rituals come from, ie, masons. no mormon will talk to you about this, because its sacred, but god in the bible wanted his children to experience the temple and did not conduct it in secret. Very bad stuff happens in this world, it is unfortunate that it continues.
Steve Prior Mormon utah

Salt Lake City, UT

#12 Jan 24, 2007
Floyd wrote:
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paying preachers extremely high salaries and going through ritual church ceremonies which teach no Biblical doctrine whatsoever...so yes we know exactly what you're going through -
Are you serious, well, first, extremely high salaries is a mormon basher statement. These so called extremely high salaries are for people who dedicate their lives to god. And speaking of which, the Church Office building has a highly paid, excessively paid, staff and church leaders themselves. To claim that the mormon church does not have highly paid salaries is a joke. They even pay one of Joseph Smith's decendants to work for them, even though he is just like everyone else. Yet, he is paid to give blessings, paid to give blessings????? what?????, isnt that what started the protestant reformation???

Regarding your statement that the LDS faith uses Jesus' name in the Church and in baptisms, does not make this chuch Christian. Is this why Joseph Smith stated "I have done more for this Church than Jesus Christ". That's pretty arrogant, but then again, arrogance is taught in the Bible, not in the Book of Mormon.

Oh and the Teaching Biblical Doctrine issue, WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY MAN SHOULD HAVE MORE THAN ONE WIFE? That is Mormon Doctrine, where in the bible does it say Churches should build BILLION dollar malls in Salt Lake instead of helping the poor. WHERE IN the bible does it say you should baptise the dead. Where in the bible does it say you cannot visit god's house, the TEMPLE., without a TEMPLE RECOMMEND?
Steve Prior Mormon utah

Salt Lake City, UT

#13 Jan 24, 2007
"Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet...When they can get rid of me, the devil will also go." (History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408, 409)[Whole sermon click here.]

- Joseph Smith: founder, prophet, seer, and revelator of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
anon

United States

#14 Jan 25, 2007
I have lived in Washington, Utah for about 3 years.
I am not a Mormon. But what I see of them from the ouside is this: They help everyone. One of the first trucks to go to LA. after the hurricane was from the LDS. I enjoy shopping in their thrift stores,they have everything, everything cheap !!
Several LDS kids knocked on my door one day and asked if they could help me with anything..I feel that every religion has something "Wierd" about it.
The mormons really try to keep a family close and have a family night weekly.
Anyway we attend a small bible church and I do not always agree with the pastor in his interpertation
of the bible. It is a shame that all religions think that they are the only ones that will make it to heaven !!
Steve Prior Mormon utah

Salt Lake City, UT

#15 Jan 25, 2007
There are lots of really nice people in every religion. But the LDS church makes the absolute claim that the only way to god is thru them. Where the bible says through Jesus only. I live next to lots of friendly helpful mormons. Being from utah, pretty much all of our family is mormon. But they are not always cracked up to be way they claim. Like close family. They are close, if the ones they are close to are also mormon. But I can tell you, if you are not mormon, they are not as close to you. And, internally, they are separated a lot from their own families to attend to "callings". I keep bugging my neighbor to go camping or ride our dirt bikes. A guy I work with I keep telling him lets go fishing. Both of these guys and many many others, respond, "i have too many church things i have to do". The church overwhelms the members with callings to the point that they spend less time with their families than they did before. A bishop that i work with almost got a divorce because his wife said he was spending too much time at church and not spending time with his family. She is mormon as well. Family night is simply, lets spend this night doing stuff together. In my personal family, we pretty much do stuff every night. That is how most families are. But because of the number of church callings, often times mormon families have to schedule a day to be with family or they simply will not. You are right, every religion is weird. And no religion should claim to be perfect. BUT the mormon religion makes that claim everyday. They will tell you, you just have to listen, that they are the ONLY way to god. They must save you. Even if you dont need or want saving. Whereas most other religions believe there are many paths to salvation, they say they are the only path. They restrict access to their temples, even restrict access to their own members unless they certify by documentation that they have paid 10% in all income to the church, that they have attended to their callins, that they dont drink coffee (the D&C actually says no "hot" beverages per God's instruction, but later on god changed that to just coffee, but it still says "hot beverages), dont smoke or drink alcohol. Well, Like most people, we all know some really really good people that do these things and dont give 10% and many are more worthy of being with god than the mormon that dictates who can and who cannot go. I am sorry, but the mormon religion is as near an organized cult as anything has ever been. If you were reading about these things, like the FLDS in Colorado city, most people would call them a cult. Well, guess what, the FLDS prophet, Warren Jeffs, is doing and saying all the SAME things that Joseph Smith said when he was around. IDENTICAL. Smith took on multiple wives, some of them married to other men at the time, and that is in the LDS history section of their website, and took wives as young as 14. Most of us here would think that is wrong. I do.
Steve Prior Mormon utah

Salt Lake City, UT

#16 Jan 25, 2007
By the way, most religions dont think they are the only right ones. Catholics, many protestant churches and even the Community of Christ Church believe there are MANY paths to salvation. In fact, if everyone has time, check out the Community of Christ website. You will be interested. They are the first mormon church. They simply did not grow as much as the LDS church in Utah. They also believe in the Book of Mormon, most of their leaders have been children and grandchildren of Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith's wife, Emma, stayed with the Community of Christ Church with Joseph Smith's Son, Joseph III, while Brigham Young and other members went west to current day Utah. However, the Community of Christ religion actually own the first ever Mormon temple. Their was a lawsuit between the LDS and the Community of Christ to own the temple and land. The Ohio court ruled that the Community of Christ church was the living church of Joseph Smith. Also, the Community of Christ church interprets the Book of Mormon very very differently. They stopped polygamy immediately after Joseph Smith died, which contributed to Young leaving. They also believe women can hold the priesthood, they always allowed minorities to hold the priesthood. I only point this out because it shows how inconsistent and how incorrect the Book of Mormon is for all religions. I dont support either. But if I chose one, it would be the Community of Christ. Also, one of the Witnesses to the Golden Plates was excommunicated by Joseph Smith, ended up going to the Community of Christ church. Pretty wierd is an understatement.
Carolina Girl

Columbia, SC

#17 Jan 25, 2007
Steve Prior Mormon utah wrote:
By the way, most religions dont think they are the only right ones. Catholics, many protestant churches and even the Community of Christ Church believe there are MANY paths to salvation. In fact, if everyone has time, check out the Community of Christ website. You will be interested. They are the first mormon church. They simply did not grow as much as the LDS church in Utah. They also believe in the Book of Mormon, most of their leaders have been children and grandchildren of Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith's wife, Emma, stayed with the Community of Christ Church with Joseph Smith's Son, Joseph III, while Brigham Young and other members went west to current day Utah. However, the Community of Christ religion actually own the first ever Mormon temple. Their was a lawsuit between the LDS and the Community of Christ to own the temple and land. The Ohio court ruled that the Community of Christ church was the living church of Joseph Smith. Also, the Community of Christ church interprets the Book of Mormon very very differently. They stopped polygamy immediately after Joseph Smith died, which contributed to Young leaving. They also believe women can hold the priesthood, they always allowed minorities to hold the priesthood. I only point this out because it shows how inconsistent and how incorrect the Book of Mormon is for all religions. I dont support either. But if I chose one, it would be the Community of Christ. Also, one of the Witnesses to the Golden Plates was excommunicated by Joseph Smith, ended up going to the Community of Christ church. Pretty wierd is an understatement.
Steve I want to thank you for opening my eyes to so many unanswered thoughts and questions I have had for so long. I am from NC and have quite a few Mormon family members who have been trying to "convert" me for some time. I found this forum by accident,trying to learn more about the Mormon religion, although now I think finding it was meant to be.I have been reading your posts, and have begun asking my Mormon family members about some of these things. I get the feeling they realy don't want me asking them ANYTHING, just "read the Book of Mormon and ask with all your heart if these teachings are true" is what they tell me. I had even called 2 missionaries in Winston-Salem NC and they came to my house and basically said the same. Wow. Thank you so much for the eye-opener.
Steven Prior Utah Mormon

Salt Lake City, UT

#18 Jan 26, 2007
CAROLINA GIRL AND OTHERS:
You are welcome for this information and insight from someone that was a member of the mormon church at one time. I suggest to everyone that you should read the BIBLE, pray about it with all your heart. That is what is important. There is no replacing it. Jesus said the Bible was the only teachings until his second comming. Its that simple. I also strongly suggest that everyone, people who agree or disagree, should seek the truth for themselves. Research the history, compare the Bible to the Book of Mormon. Answer your questions for your self. It is your salvation and eternity that is at stake. You have a Biblical Obligation to find the truth and not to blindly follow. It is your duty to god. If you believe in the bible. You cannot fool god. I am confident of this. I believe the reason that the Mormon church grew as fast as it did was due to isolation and censorship. The early days in Utah provided the foundation for the church. That is why their growth has slowed so DRAMATICALLY. They have lost a lot of members and refuse to acknowledge it. They grow only by the births that their members have. That is why they baptise at 8 years old. The brainwashing starts at that age and they have the kids become so overwhelmed with the church they dont have time to think about it. Just ask a mormon how much they are involved in the church. That's why they must have family home evenings on mondays. That's when they schedule in their families. Its true. I was there. I know. But it is getting better. Even here in the Mormon Capital of the World. The Mormon church had a tradition of submitting membership numbers to the State every year for planning purposes. The Salt Lake Tribune requested a copy of those documents via the Government Records Act. The records showed only 62% of all Utahns were listed as LDS church members. And that includes the members who left the church, all children of members, and members who simply dont go and dont care. They are called "JACK MORMONS", in Utah. Do a search on the internet for Salt Lake Tribune Article about Mormons in Utah, or something like that. You should find the article. It shows growth declines for the last 15 years per the records from the Church. By the way, the LDS church freaked out when they found out the records were released. They now wont give the state any records because the GRAMA act allows citizens to request copies. Hinkley, the current president, was asked if those numbers included ex-mormons who asked their names to be removed. He said something to the effect of I believe they do. IE, even those numbers are inflated. From all research I have done, it looks to me that there are about 4-5 million actual active members worldwide. Most are in utah of course. About 1.5 million or there about. So I believe the LDS Church is changing, it is being corrected by the market if you will. Because of the internet, people who are considering converting are able to learn about the church before its too late. This information was not available when I joined and when others joined. There was no way to find out. The missionaries dont tell you, no one does. If you ask, you will get in trouble. Research it. You will see.
anon

United States

#19 Jan 26, 2007
Steve I also want to thank you for helping me to understand more than I did before. One thing however, the LDS church does not condone the FDLS
and Jeffs is in jail. I do however see the polygmyists in the thrift store frequently even now. It appears you really have studied this and know what you are talking about.
thankyou !
Steven Prior Utah Mormon

Salt Lake City, UT

#20 Jan 26, 2007
anon wrote:
Steve I also want to thank you for helping me to understand more than I did before. One thing however, the LDS church does not condone the FDLS
and Jeffs is in jail. I do however see the polygmyists in the thrift store frequently even now. It appears you really have studied this and know what you are talking about.
thankyou !
Of course the LDS does not condone the FLDS. You cannot have more than one prophet if you believe in mormonism. The point is that people look at the FLDS as a cult. However, for a mormon to call the FLDS and Warren Jeffs a bad guy is really odd to me. This is the same situation for them, but not for the rest of us. The FLDS just kept practicing what Joseph Smith preached and what Joseph Smith claimed god wanted. Polygamy. That's why the mormon church split into so many different sects. Some went to Mexico, some to Canada, some stayed in Kirtland Ohio, some went to Colorado City. The FLDS split when the then LDS President announced no more polygamy. Some of the LDS people said, no way, we are not going to change our beliefs to pacify mankind. We are going to keep doing what God told us to do, practice Polygamy. So they left to Colorado City and started the Fundamentalist LDS church. Same Book of Mormon, same Doctrine and Covenants. If anything, I can respect the people more than stand up for what they believe. Its like the Joan of Ark deal. The Roman Catholic church drags her in after they supported her. They tell her you must denounce that you have spoke with god. You cannot, that is our job. She said, I will not denounce what the Lord told me. She was put to death, but maintained her faith. The Catholic Church eventually appologized and recognized her committment and dedication to the Lord. The LDS church essentially did not do this. They changed their belief to make mankind happy. If the laws changed tomorrow and I was required to denounce the Lord I would not. I dont think most people would. Say, if you could no longer go to church on Sundays.

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