Life in the shadows: Undocumented res...

Life in the shadows: Undocumented residents speak out

There are 59 comments on the Salt Lake Tribune story from Feb 6, 2011, titled Life in the shadows: Undocumented residents speak out. In it, Salt Lake Tribune reports that:

Enrique is frustrated and scared. A The Peruvian had pinned his hopes on the DREAM Act, but when the federal legislation failed to pass, he wondered what would happen after he earned his degree in urban planning from the University of Utah.

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Luca Brasi

United States

#45 Feb 15, 2011
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
Yes, I can support it. Just do a bit of research and you will see the trend. I doubt that you have a basic understanding of economics or how to research a subject and I know you could care less about the facts but it is the truth none the less.
I got it. It is just your opinion.
Betteryet

Heber City, UT

#46 Feb 15, 2011
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
Yes, I can support it. Just do a bit of research and you will see the trend. I doubt that you have a basic understanding of economics or how to research a subject and I know you could care less about the facts but it is the truth none the less.
That means it is just an opinion.
When someone says they can support a statement, and then refuses to support a statement, then tells you to look it up, then says that you won't understand what you look up - it means they are full of hot air.
Dee Dee Dee

Lake Hiawatha, NJ

#47 Feb 15, 2011
Betteryet wrote:
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That means it is just an opinion.
When someone says they can support a statement, and then refuses to support a statement, then tells you to look it up, then says that you won't understand what you look up - it means they are full of hot air.
It means that the information is widely available to those who care to research it. When I say widely available that does not mean on Wikipedia, Google or a LaRaza web site but in a real research library. I am not going to sit here all day long typing individual posts copied from various books, periodicals and government archives just so some lazy fool who refuses to educate themselves on the issue and does not believe in facts can disagree with me. I could point you to some books on the subject but you will just say that those who wrote the books and did the research are racist.
Labor like any other commodity is priced based on supply and demand. When the supply is high the cost is low. When the supply is low the cost is high. A large influx of immigrants increases the supply of labor and decreases the cost of labor.
In terms even you can understand, more workers equals lower wages for workers. Lower wages equal a lower standard of living for workers.
As I said the greatest periods of prosperity for American workers has always been during the times of least immigration.
Betteryet

Heber City, UT

#48 Feb 15, 2011
A greater supply ONLY causes a lower price if the demand remains constant or is reduced.
If labor supply and demand grow at the same rate, the labor cost remains constant, yes?
Once again, you refuse to back up your statement, and then try to argue that one only needs to know half of the variables to construct an accurate picture of the supply and demand dynamic. One needs to know the demand level as well as the supply level to make such a statement. A greater supply is meaningless without understanding its relation to demand (which you conveniently ignore, or just don't know).
You have failed again.
btw - labor is not like any other commodity.
Luca Brasi

United States

#49 Feb 15, 2011
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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It means that the information is widely available to those who care to research it. When I say widely available that does not mean on Wikipedia, Google or a LaRaza web site but in a real research library. I am not going to sit here all day long typing individual posts copied from various books, periodicals and government archives just so some lazy fool who refuses to educate themselves on the issue and does not believe in facts can disagree with me. I could point you to some books on the subject but you will just say that those who wrote the books and did the research are racist.
Labor like any other commodity is priced based on supply and demand. When the supply is high the cost is low. When the supply is low the cost is high. A large influx of immigrants increases the supply of labor and decreases the cost of labor.
In terms even you can understand, more workers equals lower wages for workers. Lower wages equal a lower standard of living for workers.
As I said the greatest periods of prosperity for American workers has always been during the times of least immigration.
. I agree 100% with you about something, anyone should be able to investigate by him/her self, but if you are trying to make a point, but you don't bring any support, your statement follow under the category of opinion. And I am not saying your statement is wrong, maybe you are right. And I personally, am not going to search it because honestly I don't have the time and I find it irrelevant at this point.
Desert Rat

Silver Springs, NV

#50 Feb 15, 2011
Luca Brasi wrote:
<quoted text>. I agree 100% with you about something, anyone should be able to investigate by him/her self, but if you are trying to make a point, but you don't bring any support, your statement follow under the category of opinion. And I am not saying your statement is wrong, maybe you are right. And I personally, am not going to search it because honestly I don't have the time and I find it irrelevant at this point.
And besides which, such research might provide facts that you find inconvenient.
illegalsgottago

Oklahoma City, OK

#51 Feb 15, 2011
or as the new term is "unregistered immigrant"...more PC BS....
car

Gaithersburg, MD

#52 Feb 19, 2011
Russia1513 wrote:
Just go home - that way you don't have to worry about being denied here.
Go home for your denial.
Certainly in your home country, you would have only made it to 6th grade (that's the cut off date for free education, apparently).
Here, you graduated (no charge)- that oughta be worth something where you come from.
Are you joking? SIXTH GRADE? What country are you talking about specifically and where do you get your information from. It is these kinds of comments that make me think that there is plenty of misinformation circulating around here, and one should not hope for an intelligent discussion.
Truth in Life

Bakersfield, CA

#53 Feb 19, 2011
illegalsgottago wrote:
or as the new term is "unregistered immigrant"...more PC BS....
I thought the latest was "undocumented worker". Even more PC BS.
bob

Phoenix, AZ

#54 Feb 20, 2011
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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If you look at the history of the U.S. economy one trend is obvious. The greatest economic prosperity for American citizens has always occured at the times of the lowest immigration levels.
Because American citizens are working and getting jobs that are not being stolen by undercutting illegal forign scum .And Americans and not paying illegals to sit on their ass and pump out anchor brats for American working citizens to pay for. you dont work you dont get!!!!!!! illegal Mexicans and all illegals need to learn that .
Billy

Beecher City, IL

#55 Feb 20, 2011
Dances with Wolves wrote:
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Perhaps. However, if we enforce our laws and ship them all back to their Country of origin pronto, we will not have to spend any further monies on educating people that don't belong here. Problem solved.
To be honest,Deportation doesnt work,Why? 1}its to expencive and 2}they just come back again.What we need to do is take every reason they come here away,all walfare,Admission of their children in our scools,Jobs.Citizenship for their children born here,the ability to rent houses apartments ect....Drivers lisences. start putting them on chain ganges when cought,building the wall on our border,and cleaning up the mess they have made,and start prosecuting the employers,landlords.And stop letting the 1,000,000 legal ones come here to.Its time to draw the line,they are invading this country,and using our kindness against us,When people,hang their flag above ours,and hang our flag upside down,and burn our flag whats that say to you?. I know what it says to me....We need to start wearing our firearms,and turning them into ice.They want to bankrupt this country,and get people into office,so they can influence our laws,and policies.They want to overtake us,but are cowerds,and know sending troops over the border would get them all killed.If our government wont do it we must,we need a national law,that is enforced.and give them a certane date to be gone after that.its the chaingangs,and barring for life of ever returning.Put our troops on our borders,and our national guard,in our streets rounding them up.and shipping them out.if we dont,well you may as well start learning spanish now.just look at californias if you dont believe me.they want war well lets give it to them.
Chill

Heber City, UT

#56 Feb 20, 2011
Billy wrote:
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To be honest,Deportation doesnt work,Why? 1}its to expencive and 2}they just come back again.What we need to do is take every reason they come here away,all walfare,Admission of their children in our scools,Jobs.Citizenship for their children born here,the ability to rent houses apartments ect....Drivers lisences. start putting them on chain ganges when cought,building the wall on our border,and cleaning up the mess they have made,and start prosecuting the employers,landlords.And stop letting the 1,000,000 legal ones come here to.Its time to draw the line,they are invading this country,and using our kindness against us,When people,hang their flag above ours,and hang our flag upside down,and burn our flag whats that say to you?. I know what it says to me....We need to start wearing our firearms,and turning them into ice.They want to bankrupt this country,and get people into office,so they can influence our laws,and policies.They want to overtake us,but are cowerds,and know sending troops over the border would get them all killed.If our government wont do it we must,we need a national law,that is enforced.and give them a certane date to be gone after that.its the chaingangs,and barring for life of ever returning.Put our troops on our borders,and our national guard,in our streets rounding them up.and shipping them out.if we dont,well you may as well start learning spanish now.just look at californias if you dont believe me.they want war well lets give it to them.
Wow, you angry people should just lighten up. They don't want war, they want jobs. Some Americans are happy to offer them jobs. Maybe if you start with the illegal employers, and see what happens there, you would find no need to go all Rambo on the dishwashers and avocado pickers.
So many angry, irrational posters on this issue. But then, there is no reasoning with the irrational. These nuts think that if you don't agree with them, including the intensity of their misplaced rage, then you must be a foreigner, a communist, or a member of some other "bad" group of people. They seem incapabale of seeing individuals as individuals, nor human beings. Peace unto you. Take a deep breath, and count to diez. Rage at The Establishment that created and supports the current situation, instead of the working people who are trying to support a family, just like everyone else.
wibauxwoman

Layton, UT

#57 Feb 20, 2011
Luca Brasi wrote:
<quoted text>. I apologize, you are not a bigot, you really are an ignorant or a person with a lot of hate for brown people. 50% of immigrants of first generation in the United States speak perfect english according to the 9ensus Bureau. This is 96% for second generation. There is always a minority which needs help, but they are usually people with less than 5 years in the country. Besides this family is from Peru. We, people from south america usually are better educated than other hispanics.
Do we like to call names, or what? Face it. You are more concerned about your Latino roots than you are about the laws of our country. No all illegal aliens are brown- skinned. I don't care if they're purple. The law is the law and illegal is illegal. No other country in the world treats illegal aliens better than their own citizens than the United States. ALL illegal aliens, whatever color, need to be deported. No exceptions. No excuses. This country is in a recession and there are not enough jobs to go around. There are NO jobs legal American citizens WON'T do for a living wage.
Sally

United States

#58 Feb 20, 2011
Chill wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, you angry people should just lighten up. They don't want war, they want jobs. Some Americans are happy to offer them jobs. Maybe if you start with the illegal employers, and see what happens there, you would find no need to go all Rambo on the dishwashers and avocado pickers.
So many angry, irrational posters on this issue. But then, there is no reasoning with the irrational. These nuts think that if you don't agree with them, including the intensity of their misplaced rage, then you must be a foreigner, a communist, or a member of some other "bad" group of people. They seem incapabale of seeing individuals as individuals, nor human beings. Peace unto you. Take a deep breath, and count to diez. Rage at The Establishment that created and supports the current situation, instead of the working people who are trying to support a family, just like everyone else.
WOW! YOU GREEDY LYING LEECHES should lighten up!

Compassion for Americans. Legal citizens, not the Criminal leeches. "We only want to take your jobs", LIARS!!!

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Lee AZ

Mesa, AZ

#59 Feb 20, 2011
here is some real evidence Enriaque !! Gov Jan Brewer cut ( AHCCS )through budget cuts ,who was the first on the list to cry about it , some stupid
wetback that has lived in the shadows ( how long )
who knows, couldn't even talk english had to have
a interpreter,here is a clue Enriaque use your
education that (AMERICAN) paid for go back to your
country and help out stop crying to (AMERICA)

Lee AZ
Veteran
Lee AZ

Mesa, AZ

#60 Feb 20, 2011
dee dee dee I seen that same thing talked about on
C-SPAN in the house / great work

Lee AZ
Veteran
wibauxwoman

Layton, UT

#61 Feb 20, 2011
Chill wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, you angry people should just lighten up. They don't want war, they want jobs. Some Americans are happy to offer them jobs. Maybe if you start with the illegal employers, and see what happens there, you would find no need to go all Rambo on the dishwashers and avocado pickers.
So many angry, irrational posters on this issue. But then, there is no reasoning with the irrational. These nuts think that if you don't agree with them, including the intensity of their misplaced rage, then you must be a foreigner, a communist, or a member of some other "bad" group of people. They seem incapabale of seeing individuals as individuals, nor human beings. Peace unto you. Take a deep breath, and count to diez. Rage at The Establishment that created and supports the current situation, instead of the working people who are trying to support a family, just like everyone else.
You must be a friend of Betteryet. As I have said before, and firmly believe, the only people who support illegal immigrants are: illegal immigrants, someone who is dating one, married to one or otherwise related to one, or who hires one. Which are you?
They can go to their home countries, get a job and support their families that way. The US is in a recession and their are not enough jobs to go around. Even returning war vets are having to compete with ILLEGAL immigrants in the manufacturing and construction business. That shouldn't be. Any buriness or farming unit that feels they can't survive without ILLEGAL immigrant workers doesn't need or deserve to be in business in Utah or the United States, for that matter. There are NO jobs legal American citizens won't do for a fair living wage.
Desert Rat

Silver Springs, NV

#62 Feb 20, 2011
Chill wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, you angry people should just lighten up. They don't want war, they want jobs. Some Americans are happy to offer them jobs. Maybe if you start with the illegal employers, and see what happens there, you would find no need to go all Rambo on the dishwashers and avocado pickers.
So many angry, irrational posters on this issue. But then, there is no reasoning with the irrational. These nuts think that if you don't agree with them, including the intensity of their misplaced rage, then you must be a foreigner, a communist, or a member of some other "bad" group of people. They seem incapabale of seeing individuals as individuals, nor human beings. Peace unto you. Take a deep breath, and count to diez. Rage at The Establishment that created and supports the current situation, instead of the working people who are trying to support a family, just like everyone else.
How about if we rage at quisling scum like you who accomodate these foreign criminal trash?
Dee Dee Dee

Lake Hiawatha, NJ

#63 Feb 22, 2011
Lee AZ wrote:
dee dee dee I seen that same thing talked about on
C-SPAN in the house / great work
Lee AZ
Veteran
The trend is rather obvious. From the late 1800s until the great depression in 1929 immigration increased dramatically. In 1930 there was almost no immigration. From then until the 1970s immigration remained relatively low. During the 1980s immigration started to increase and after amnesty in 1986 illegal immigration took off. The last depression which we are still enduring saw a small decrease in immigration but not the dramatic decrease seen in 1929. Perhaps this is part of the reason that this depression is expected to last longer than the 1929 depression.

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