Lawmaker to propose bill that mirrors...

Lawmaker to propose bill that mirrors Arizona's E-verify law

There are 10 comments on the www.sltrib.com story from May 28, 2011, titled Lawmaker to propose bill that mirrors Arizona's E-verify law. In it, www.sltrib.com reports that:

Rep. Stephen Sandstrom on Friday proposed a Utah version of a newly upheld 2007 Arizona law requiring businesses to use a federal verification program to screen for undocumented immigrants applying for jobs

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Quirky - 2

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#1 May 28, 2011
Go UTAH !!
please scratch iballlll

Scottsdale, AZ

#2 May 28, 2011
Agent of bonjour editor again!!!! ;)
JUSTICE

Salt Lake City, UT

#3 May 28, 2011
FINALLY!!!!
And thank-you Rep. Sandstrom.:)
Down and Out

New York, NY

#4 May 29, 2011
Indeed, bring this legislation forward, the use of E-Verify has always been legal, the decision by the Supreme Court just confirms that fact.
A suggestion, small but important. Take that word KNOWINGLY out of the legislation, you Rep. Sandstrom being a lawmaker, should know full well that the word "Knowingly" changes the entire meaning of this legislation. Employers CAN, and certainly will use that word to to THEIR advantage. They will plead, and correctly so (a technical point but legally valid), that their knowledge was restricted to have "KNOWN" the true immigration status of the potential employeee.
It has happened to often in the past - that one word, KNOWINGLY, takes the teeth out of any legislation regardless of the issue involved, and gives the intended lawbreaker an escape route.
Close the door and lock it concerning this legislation, don't let the employers escape through an open door.
wibauxwoman

Centerville, UT

#5 May 29, 2011
Down and Out wrote:
Indeed, bring this legislation forward, the use of E-Verify has always been legal, the decision by the Supreme Court just confirms that fact.
A suggestion, small but important. Take that word KNOWINGLY out of the legislation, you Rep. Sandstrom being a lawmaker, should know full well that the word "Knowingly" changes the entire meaning of this legislation. Employers CAN, and certainly will use that word to to THEIR advantage. They will plead, and correctly so (a technical point but legally valid), that their knowledge was restricted to have "KNOWN" the true immigration status of the potential employeee.
It has happened to often in the past - that one word, KNOWINGLY, takes the teeth out of any legislation regardless of the issue involved, and gives the intended lawbreaker an escape route.
Close the door and lock it concerning this legislation, don't let the employers escape through an open door.
E-Verify will let the employers KNOW whether the person they are checking on is using a valid Social Security Number. It won't tell the employers WHO the SSN belongs to, but it will tell them who (the illegal) it DOESN'T belong to. The unscrupulous employers will have NO defenst. I worked 32 years for the IRS as a tax examiner and we caught LOTS of people trying to use someone else's SSN, especially illegal Mexicans when they were able to get Earned Incoe Credit using an invalid SSN.
Down and Out

New York, NY

#6 May 29, 2011
wibauxwoman - Agree with all you say, up to the point of the legal use of the word "Knowingly." Your experience is valuable in this realm and has much weight to bear on the subject - I do not for one moment doubt any of your words!!

I'm saying this - I have witnessed much to often lawyers use the term "Knowingly" to their advantage with obvious lawbreakers. It makes no sense at all in a common sense world but in front of a judge that word can provide an escape route for a person guilty beyond all reasonable doubt - other than the fact that they can plead they did not "Know" absolutely the immigration status of the potential employee.
I'm asking this - Remove that word "Knowingly" so that there is no possible escape route for the sleazebags. Make them face their crime and pay restitution without the slim chance of a possible escape route.
wibauxwoman

Centerville, UT

#7 May 29, 2011
Down and Out wrote:
wibauxwoman - Agree with all you say, up to the point of the legal use of the word "Knowingly." Your experience is valuable in this realm and has much weight to bear on the subject - I do not for one moment doubt any of your words!!
I'm saying this - I have witnessed much to often lawyers use the term "Knowingly" to their advantage with obvious lawbreakers. It makes no sense at all in a common sense world but in front of a judge that word can provide an escape route for a person guilty beyond all reasonable doubt - other than the fact that they can plead they did not "Know" absolutely the immigration status of the potential employee.
I'm asking this - Remove that word "Knowingly" so that there is no possible escape route for the sleazebags. Make them face their crime and pay restitution without the slim chance of a possible escape route.
Well said. You've made your point.
JUSTICE

Salt Lake City, UT

#8 May 29, 2011
Down and Out wrote:
Indeed, bring this legislation forward, the use of E-Verify has always been legal, the decision by the Supreme Court just confirms that fact.
A suggestion, small but important. Take that word KNOWINGLY out of the legislation, you Rep. Sandstrom being a lawmaker, should know full well that the word "Knowingly" changes the entire meaning of this legislation. Employers CAN, and certainly will use that word to to THEIR advantage. They will plead, and correctly so (a technical point but legally valid), that their knowledge was restricted to have "KNOWN" the true immigration status of the potential employeee.
It has happened to often in the past - that one word, KNOWINGLY, takes the teeth out of any legislation regardless of the issue involved, and gives the intended lawbreaker an escape route.
Close the door and lock it concerning this legislation, don't let the employers escape through an open door.
Very true....but at least were going in the right direction unlike before here.
Hope they leave that "knowingly" word out too.
Yesterday on the news they stated we now have a 4 times the normal "immigrant migration" here,:(
Thanks to our "elected officials" earlier stupidity, greed, or whatever.....
Down and Out

New York, NY

#9 May 30, 2011
Justice - This is going in the right direction, it really does not take a lot to curtail/halt this nonsense other than the RESOLVE to enforce the law as written. Use your vote and use your First Amendment rights to the your advantage!
Down and Out

New York, NY

#10 May 30, 2011
wibauxwoman - Thank you and right back at ya!! Hold the politician's feet to the fire constantly, let them feel the heat from the law abiding citizenry at every point and every turn. Apply relentless pressure upon the elected representatives to obey and enforce the law as written!

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