Utah gay marriages decision expected by Friday

Dec 26, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: WJLA-TV Arlington

A federal appeals court has refused yet again to stop gay marriage in Utah, making it more likely that same-sex weddings in the home of the Mormon church are here to stay for the immediate future.

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This just gets better and better. I never thought that we would see such a fast change through the courts, but if they rule in favor of equality and there is no stay on the order, the future SCOTUS ruling becomes a foregone conclusion.

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I don't see how this is a chaotic or confusing situation for ANY State agency or County Clerk........follow the Court order UNTIL a Stay has been issued or face some legal consequences for NOT doing your job......plain and simple!!!

The State has been DENIED every Stay so far and I don't believe that Justice Sotomayor will grant one either or refer to the entire SCOTUS......I think SCOTUS will be happy to sit this one out.....JMPO!

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And from Idaho: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2013/12/26/2944...

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Give the dominos another push....

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NorCal Native wrote:
I don't see how this is a chaotic or confusing situation for ANY State agency or County Clerk........follow the Court order UNTIL a Stay has been issued or face some legal consequences for NOT doing your job......plain and simple!!!
The State has been DENIED every Stay so far and I don't believe that Justice Sotomayor will grant one either or refer to the entire SCOTUS......I think SCOTUS will be happy to sit this one out.....JMPO!
Nah. They're *PRETENDING* that it's confusing and chaotic because that's the only defense they have. To idiots, simply declaring something to be confusing and chaotic usually works because idiots are too stupid to question authority.

"As of right now, the court has declared that you have to do it."

"OH NO!!! That's TOO confusing!!! I don't UNDERSTAND!!! I CAN'T do that!!!! It's all so CHAOTIC and HARD!!!! WAHHHH!!!!!"

"Confusing???? What part of "the court says you have to process marriage licenses for same-sex couples now" is confusing to you? Please explain."

(dead silence)

"And wait, Chaos??? Are you suddenly unable to process marriage license applications in an order and systematic manner?? Because if you can't....."

(more dead silence)

"So, basically, you got nothing."

"YES, I DO!!!! It's TOO confusing!!! I don't UNDERSTAND!!! I CAN'T do that!!!! It's all so CHAOTIC and HARD!!!! WAHHHH!!!!!"

And we're done here.
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Nah. They're *PRETENDING* that it's confusing and chaotic because that's the only defense they have. To idiots, simply declaring something to be confusing and chaotic usually works because idiots are too stupid to question authority.
"As of right now, the court has declared that you have to do it."
"OH NO!!! That's TOO confusing!!! I don't UNDERSTAND!!! I CAN'T do that!!!! It's all so CHAOTIC and HARD!!!! WAHHHH!!!!!"
"Confusing???? What part of "the court says you have to process marriage licenses for same-sex couples now" is confusing to you? Please explain."
(dead silence)
"And wait, Chaos??? Are you suddenly unable to process marriage license applications in an order and systematic manner?? Because if you can't....."
(more dead silence)
"So, basically, you got nothing."
"YES, I DO!!!! It's TOO confusing!!! I don't UNDERSTAND!!! I CAN'T do that!!!! It's all so CHAOTIC and HARD!!!! WAHHHH!!!!!"
And we're done here.
This was like a small and very entertaining mini-play that I enjoyed reading. Thank you!
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Who could've ever guessed that this would turn into such an amusing comedy? Perhaps NBC should option this for a sitcom. Scurrying Mormons. It would put them back into first place.
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If such transparency confuses them you can just imagine what their ability to judge amounts to ..
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Dec 26, 2013
 
The mormon whatever it is must be asking, "Just whose side are our magic underpants on, anyway?"

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I agree. Look for the SCOTUS to avoid these cases as long as possible.

Kennedy & Ginsburg have both expressed concern over rushing to another sweeping nationwide ruling like in Roe.

They'll let these bans fall state by state and circuit by circuit.

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Before everyone gets too gloatingly excited, consider ...

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/liberal-comme...

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WeTheSheeple wrote:
I agree. Look for the SCOTUS to avoid these cases as long as possible.
Kennedy & Ginsburg have both expressed concern over rushing to another sweeping nationwide ruling like in Roe.
They'll let these bans fall state by state and circuit by circuit.
And I STILL can't figure out why they're so afraid of that. The *only* thing the two issues have in common is that the fundies hate both gay people and women with choices.

But that's where the similarities end.

Reasonable people from all flavors of religious beliefs (and no religious beliefs at all) can and will argue the "ifs" and "whens" and "buts" of exactly when a conception becomes a viable person and at what point terminating a pregnancy crosses the line between a medical procedure and doctor assisted murder.

Some people (very few) claim it's okay right up until just before a normal, healthy delivery. Some people (also very few) claim that the moment a penis comes anywhere near a vaginal canal marks that crossover. Most reasonable people believe something in between those two ridiculous extremes. And most people have very strong, and largely unmovable, beliefs on the issue.

Then there's the issue of when a termination is medically necessary vs. purely by choice, or some such other judgmental and irrelevant language.

And, of course, there's the privacy issue that surrounded Roe v. Wade in the first place.

All those issues will undoubtedly be argued *FOREVER* by reasonable people with supportable and not supportable arguments for their side.

But that's just *NOT* the case with marriage equality.

No one can support bans on equal protections under the law. Period. End of. What little crazy "my God says it's okay to hate you" bullsh*t arguments the idiots insist on continuing will go the way of minstrel shows and performing in black-face for laughs. Sure, it still happens, but only in a tiny group of extreme fringe fools. No one with a functioning brain believes that's funny anymore.

And so it will be with marriage equality. Once more and more people meet gay couples and families and realize that we're not the evil demons that their "getting rich off of their ignorance" religious leaders have told them we are, fewer and fewer people will remain terrified of people they've never met.

Row v. Wade was decided more than 40 years ago. Forty years from now, people will still be screaming and crying and throwing fits and trying to pass unconstitutional laws to force their personal beliefs onto others.

I just don't see that happening with marriage equality. It's not the same issue and it's not the same argument.

So why are so many people, starting with Justices Kennedy and Ginsburg, thinking that it is?? What ARE they thinking?? What is their fear?? That the arguments will be over sooner?? I don't see any other possible fallout from a sweeping decision for marriage equality.

What am I missing?

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Nah. They're *PRETENDING* that it's confusing and chaotic because that's the only defense they have. To idiots, simply declaring something to be confusing and chaotic usually works because idiots are too stupid to question authority.
"As of right now, the court has declared that you have to do it."
"OH NO!!! That's TOO confusing!!! I don't UNDERSTAND!!! I CAN'T do that!!!! It's all so CHAOTIC and HARD!!!! WAHHHH!!!!!"
"Confusing???? What part of "the court says you have to process marriage licenses for same-sex couples now" is confusing to you? Please explain."
(dead silence)
"And wait, Chaos??? Are you suddenly unable to process marriage license applications in an order and systematic manner?? Because if you can't....."
(more dead silence)
"So, basically, you got nothing."
"YES, I DO!!!! It's TOO confusing!!! I don't UNDERSTAND!!! I CAN'T do that!!!! It's all so CHAOTIC and HARD!!!! WAHHHH!!!!!"
And we're done here.
The problem is they're NOT pretending........and that's the sad part of this issue!!!

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eJohn wrote:
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And I STILL can't figure out why they're so afraid of that. The *only* thing the two issues have in common is that the fundies hate both gay people and women with choices.
But that's where the similarities end.
So why are so many people, starting with Justices Kennedy and Ginsburg, thinking that it is?? What ARE they thinking?? What is their fear?? That the arguments will be over sooner?? I don't see any other possible fallout from a sweeping decision for marriage equality.
What am I missing?
Why make a divisive social issue worse if you don't have to?

They know the opponents will largely die out or change their minds over the next decade, so why rush to a decision which would force marriage equality on those states where a significant majority may still oppose- specifically in the south & plains states.

Wait another decade, let every one see that same-sex couples marrying isn't causing the sky to fall, and THEN finish the job. The south will look like the last bigoted holdout again as they did with women's rights, black rights, religious rights, inter-racial marriage, etc.
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snyper wrote:
Before everyone gets too gloatingly excited, consider ...
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/liberal-comme...
radio has been fading away for a while now for a wide number of reasons. Its not going away, but it will not have the power it once did probably ever again.
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eJohn wrote:
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"Confusing???? What part of "the court says you have to process marriage licenses for same-sex couples now" is confusing to you?"

"And wait, Chaos??? Are you suddenly unable to process marriage license applications in an order and systematic manner??"
Their pretended confusion is based upon the marriage license application form having boxes for "Husband" and "Wife" (or something equivalently heterosexual) and they can't think outside the box(es) to improvise a solution --- such as simply disregarding the labels. Labels are important to them, elder eJohn. Right down to the labels in their magic underwear, but that's a topic for another time.

Suggestion: Flip a coin, you mor[m]ons. Or have the couple arm wrestle and the "loser" gets to be the wife.

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Why make a divisive social issue worse if you don't have to?
They know the opponents will largely die out or change their minds over the next decade, so why rush to a decision which would force marriage equality on those states where a significant majority may still oppose- specifically in the south & plains states.
Wait another decade, let every one see that same-sex couples marrying isn't causing the sky to fall, and THEN finish the job. The south will look like the last bigoted holdout again as they did with women's rights, black rights, religious rights, inter-racial marriage, etc.
But that's going to happen with or without recognizing marriage equality. So why leave a significant portion of the population in a purposely disadvantaged status when it can be resolved?

Sure, the bigots and the religious zealots will kick and scream louder for a few minutes (and I'm serious--we're talking *minutes* here, not months or years), but that won't last because public acceptance, which will continue to happen either way, will blow the wind out of those sails just as quick, either way.

What's making me crazy is the notion that if the Supreme Court decides to force everyone to recognize marriage equality, that they'll set off another endless culture war like what happened with Roe v. Wade. That's just *NOT* going to happen. There is simply ZERO argument on the anti-equality side.

That's not the case where abortion is concerned. Abortion *IS* an unsolvable issue that people WILL be kicking and screaming about forever. They would still be doing exactly the same thing(s) today if Roe v. Wade had been decided the other way. It will *never* cease because too many people are making too much money by keeping the anti-abortion idiots all stirred up and freaking out.

That's just not the case with marriage equality. It's totally resolvable and the results will be the same regardless of when the SCOTUS weighs in and ends it. That's why it makes me crazy that the apparently aren't interested in ending it.

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Hansel Currywurst wrote:
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Their pretended confusion is based upon the marriage license application form having boxes for "Husband" and "Wife" (or something equivalently heterosexual) and they can't think outside the box(es) to improvise a solution --- such as simply disregarding the labels. Labels are important to them, elder eJohn. Right down to the labels in their magic underwear, but that's a topic for another time.
Suggestion: Flip a coin, you mor[m]ons. Or have the couple arm wrestle and the "loser" gets to be the wife.
I'm sure that's right. Or at least part of their pretend "confusion". The funny thing is, my husband and I got married in New York. I have NO idea what the headers on the columns were when we filled out the license application and I can't even remember if I was listed in the first column or the second. I'd actually have to check our marriage certificate to see. Because that part of it was and is *so* amazingly insignificant. I can't even bother to look.

I'm sure it didn't say "husband" and "wife" or "bride" and "groom", because I would have remembered that. But what I DID say?? Not a clue.

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But that's going to happen with or without recognizing marriage equality. So why leave a significant portion of the population in a purposely disadvantaged status when it can be resolved?
Sure, the bigots and the religious zealots will kick and scream louder for a few minutes (and I'm serious--we're talking *minutes* here, not months or years), but that won't last because public acceptance, which will continue to happen either way, will blow the wind out of those sails just as quick, either way.
What's making me crazy is the notion that if the Supreme Court decides to force everyone to recognize marriage equality, that they'll set off another endless culture war like what happened with Roe v. Wade. That's just *NOT* going to happen. There is simply ZERO argument on the anti-equality side.
That's not the case where abortion is concerned. Abortion *IS* an unsolvable issue that people WILL be kicking and screaming about forever. They would still be doing exactly the same thing(s) today if Roe v. Wade had been decided the other way. It will *never* cease because too many people are making too much money by keeping the anti-abortion idiots all stirred up and freaking out.
That's just not the case with marriage equality. It's totally resolvable and the results will be the same regardless of when the SCOTUS weighs in and ends it. That's why it makes me crazy that the apparently aren't interested in ending it.
The longer the SCOTUS waits, the less anti-gays there will be to complain, and the less likely any push for a constitutional amendment will be successful.

I think that's the only reason they're waiting, to minimalize the inevitable backlash.

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OMG !!!

We might have to reprint some forms!

That will blow our entire State budget!

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